Defending the Whiz: How he has changed the mindset of the organization through the draft.
This is a post defending Ken Whisenhunt (yes this is the correct spelling). I have heard a lot about Whisenhunt being blamed for the poor performance of the Offensive Line and that he should have drafted an O-linemen in the draft. I also hear him being blamed for the lack of pass rush and that he should have drafted a pass rusher. The fact of the matter is Whisenhunt has drafted very well, unfortunately circumstances haven't played out to get an elite tackle or pass rusher. This post will outline the drafts of the Cardinals from 2007 to 2011. Keep in mind though hindsight is 20/20.
2007- Worst Draft of the Whisenhunt Era
1st round, pick #5- Levi Brown OT Penn State
Well Cardinals fans there is the Offensive tackle we wanted to draft. However when drafted many thought Levi Brown was a reach in a bad OT year. No one thought he'd be as poor a player as he is now though. This may go down a Whisenhunts biggest mistake as he passed on Adrian Petersen, Patrick Willis, Darrelle Revis and Lawrence Timmons. Remember hindsight is 20/20 and OT was one of the Cardinals biggest needs
2nd round, pick #33- Alan Branch DT Michigan
When picked Alan Branch was thought as a possible steal in the draft. He had all the talent of a first rounder but none of the motivation. Branch may be considered a bust as he had only one year of even notice and is no longer with the team. Passed on Paul Posluszny LB Penn State, Zach Miller TE ASU, or Eric Weddle S.
3rd round, pick #69- Buster Davis LB Florida State
Davis barely saw the red on his Cardinals jersey. He was released early September of 2007 bust. Notable miss Ryan Harris who is an average OT for the Broncos.
5th round, pick 142 Steve Breaston WR Michigan
Breaston turned out to be the best pick of the draft. He was a great 3rd receiver and good 2nd receiver and a playmaker for the Cardinals. However Breaston is no longer on the team. That is not Ken Whisenhunt's fault though that falls on Bidwell the owner for not wanting to pay that man.
7th round, pick #215- Ben Patrick TE Delaware
Patrick showed some flashes but never the heart. He was cut form the team and is now retired. Not bad for a 7th round pick though. Missed on Ahmad Bradshaw but so did 31 other teams.
2008- Best Draft of Whisenhunt Era
Every pick of this draft contributed in large part for the Cardinals, that is unheard of.
1st round, pick #16- Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB Tennessee State
This pick produced a Pro Bowl corner. However this was the one draft filled with offensive line talent. While taking DRC they missed out on taking some above average tackles in Gosder Cherilus, Jeff Otah and Sam Baker. All of the three start for their teams Lions, Panthers and Falcons and have for multiple years. I don't blame Whiz for taking DRC.
2nd round, pick #50- Calais Campbell DE Miami
Calais Campbell is a very good defensive end at times and a below average at others. He needs to find consistency in his play however this is the second starter drafted in this draft. Other notable possible drafts Ray Rice and Mike Pollack. Rice is very good but few thought he could be (I wasn't one of them thought he was a beast) Pollack is a least then average guard for Indianapolis.
3rd round, pick #81- Early Doucet WR LSU
Doucet hasn't quite match his potetial but I can confidently declare him a decent 3rd receiver. The only notable miss was Oneil Cousins an above average tackle drafted by the Ravens.
4th round, pick #116- Kenny Iwebema DE Iowa
Iwebema was steal in this draft. He was a very good rotational end that was key to our D-line success in 2009. However in week 7 of 2010 he had a knee injury and was not quite the same the next year. He was cut this year which was disappointing becuase he was a good backup to Calias Campbell. Josh Sitton guard for the Packers was a notable miss he has started every game since 2008.
5th round, pick #149- Tim Hightower RB Richmond
Hightower was a big gem in this draft. The 3rd starter drafted in 2008. He became a do everything back. However he was traded to the Redskins and is doing well. Notable miss Carl Nicks Pro Bowl guard for the Saints
7th round, pick #225- Brandon Keith OT Northern Iowa
Keith has shown some good and some bad. He has been injured which has limited his development but I still think for a 7th round pick to be considered a starter mean this was a good pick. Still like what Keith can do if with one more year. Notable miss Peyton Hillis
2009- An average draft some good some bads
1st round, pick #31 Beanie Wells RB Ohio State
Ask me last year I'd of said bust but Beanie is finally showing something. Picking at 31 the Cards missed out on some talent at OT earlier in the draft. After this year this pick will be better defined. Notable misses Louis Delmas safety, James Laurinatis MLB, Eben Britton OT.
2nd round, pick #63- Cody Brown DE Connecticut
Brown is another bust for Ke Whisenhunt. He recognized the need for a pass rush but Brown never panned out. Picking at the end of the round doesn't leave much talent left though. Notable miss Shonn Greene but after drafting Beanie he wouldn't have taken him any way.
3rd round, pick #95- Rashard Johnson Alabama
Johnson is a back up safety he has shown some good stuff and some bad stuff. He will start this weekend and we will see how much he has grown.
4th round, pick 131 Greg Toler DB St. Pauls
Toler has looked good now. He had made he way to the starting lineup and is a solid #2. Might of been steal of the draft if not for a later pick. No other notable talent even close to drafted near him.
5th round, pick #167- Herman Johnson G LSU
Johnson is big, he is slow and did not make it as an NFL guard but he was on the team for a couple of year and for a 5th round pick that's what you ask for.
6th round, pick #204- Will Davis Illinois
Will Davis is another failed attempt to draft a pass rusher. So far this is Ken Whisenhunts flaw in the draft
7th roud, pick #240 LaRod Stephens-Howling RB Pittsburgh
The "Hyphen" as he is known by, is a dangerous kick returner. I dare say second or third best in the league. Steal of the draft.
7th round, pick #254 Trevor Canfield G Cincinati
Who? Doesn't matter...
2010- Might be too early to analyze this class. This class was also severely affected by the Lockout and lack of a full off season. At 26th we couldn't get an elite tackle or Sam Bradford and Tebow and McCoy wouldn't have fit our system.
1st round, pick #26- Dan Williams DT Tennessee
Once again the Cardinals success put them out of contention for the numerous amount of 1st round tackles. The Cardinals did the reasonable thing and drafted the much needed NT. When it happened I liked this pick Williams has all the skills you want in a NT. However his drive and motivation was a question and that is not something you want in a 3-4 D-linemen. Williams showed up out of condition and hasn't lived up to his talent because of conditioning. In a year we will be able to tell if this is a continued trend and Williams is a bust. Locke better kick his ass this off-season.
2nd round, pick #47- Daryl Washington ILB TCU
Washington has really impressed in all aspects of the game. I compare him to Lawrence Timmons of the Steelers. Like Timmons I think he needs to put on like 15lbs this next off-season and he will be in the conversation with Pat Willis and Lawrence Timmons. Other LB drafted after him; Jason Worilds, Sean Lee and some people even wanted us to draft Jimmy Clausen.
3rd round, pick #88- Andre Roberts WR Citidel
Andre Roberts may have been hurt the most by the Lockout. Why? Well a WR biggest jump is from his rookie year to his second year. Roberts' growth was stunted due to lack of ability to talk to coaches or go to facility. He was also hurt becuase he was thrust into the starting lineup because of the loss of Steve Breaston. Roberts can be a very good 3rd WR time will tell if he can be a good starter.
4th round, pick #130- O'Brien Schofield LB Wisconsin
The first OLB drafted by Whisenhunt that hasn't been a complete bust. Schofield has shown flashes at times but not enough. I am not sure if he is the future but I am not sure he isn't. He was definitely hurt by the system change and lack of off-season. Want to see more of him, cause I think he can be at least average.
5th round, pick #155- John Skelton QB Fordham-
My favorite pick of the draft. I actually call this way back to Skelton's combine performance. Skelton is big strong and athletic. I thought Ken Whisenhunt would use him as this teams Ben Roethlisberger. With a full off-season to study the subtleties of the offense I don't thik we make the Kevin Kolb trade. Given one more year I thought John would be a franchise QB. Other notable picks Matt Tennant and Marshall Newhouse both look good now.
6th round, pick #201- Jorrick Clavin DB Troy
The guy was traded early in training cam to the Eagles. This was the first DB the Cardinals traded to Philly.
2011- Definitely too early to address these picks but I will try.
1st round, pick #5- Patrick Petersen DB LSU
This is the not Von Miller pick. Why the Broncos pick him is beyond me because this guy would have been on another level as a 3-4 ROLB. Patrick Petersen was the can't miss pick. DB isn't that important in Hortons scheme but the Cardinals could find a trade partner and couldn't pass him up. I believe, because of how A.J. Jefferson is playing and because we will have Greg Toler and Richard Marshall , that Patrick Petersen will be move to Safety in the next two years. Safety play is much more important in this system and Wilson hasn't cut it. Could of had Aldon Smith or Tyron Smith but it would have been too high and the Cards remember last time the reached and took a tackle at #5.
2nd round, pick #38- Ryan Williams RB Virginia Tech.
Going to be hard to defend this pick because of Williams injury. Look he was a high character kid who flashed in training camp. However we could of had Akeem Ayers, Brooks Reed both could have made good 3-4 LOLBs or Ben Ijalan or Orlando Franklin as O-linemen. I think William will be good but we didn't need to get rid of Tim Hightower we needed a pass rusher or O-linemen.
3rd round, pick #69- Rob Housler TE Florida Atlantic
Don't get me wrong this guy is a huge weapon but we did need pass rush. There was Justin Houston available as well as more O-line help in John Moffit and Will Rackley. Housler can be a beast but we had bigger needs. Right now Whisenhunt get the benefit because when you reach for need you have a better chance of busting. I wasn't of the opinion Justin Houston could be a good 3-4 OLB anyway. Good pick!
4th round, pick #103- Sam Acho DE Texas
I really liked this pick. Sam Acho I believe could make a solid LOLB in the 3-4. He is first of all smart which decreased he learning curve. He also has the frame. Don't think he has an elite first step but he could be a good LB for a log time. Just never going to be great. Good pick!
5th round, pick #137 Anthony Sherman RB Connecticut
Again liked this pick. Sherman was a do everything, blue collar FB need in this system. Notable misses Marcus Cannon however Cannon was diagnosed with Non-Hodgekins Lymphoma. He came through it in the off-season but if a year away from playing at least and who knows at what level.
6th round, pick #171- Quan Sturdivant LB North Carolina
Thought this could be big, need at ILB but Sturdivant didn't last.
6th round, pick #184- David Carter DT UCLA
Best pick of this draft. Not only did Carter have prior experience in a pro-style 3-4 defense at UCLA, but he has the drive and a non-stop motor. This 6th round pick is already pushing for starting time. New flash Graves this is the type of character you want in your D-linemen. Watch the guy the play 100% every snap and draft them.
7th round, pick #249- DeMarco Sampson San Diego State
Sampson looked good in preseason and made the the active roster. We will see how good he is with a full off-season under his belt.
So why did I write all that? Well I was ask who I blame for the Cardinals not playing well and not having a pass rusher or tackle. The proceeding showed that Ken Whisenhunt was a victim of circumstance when it came to an OT. Ironically it was the Cardinals success that kept them from getting an elite tackle. As for a pass rusher there hasn't been a lot of depth over the last couple of years. The biggest flaw is that we probably should have drafted Akeem Ayers or Brooks Reed, but that is being said without seeing Ryan Williams ever take a professional snap. So where does my blame go? It goes to Micheal Bidwell and his hierarchy. These guys had been known for year to not pay out the money to keep good player. Because of this policy and the losing Free Agents won't play here, Also because of this the Cardinals lose their up and coming players like a Steve Breaston. The Cardinals also looked unprepared to for the possible lockout. They fired the DC which means a new more advanced system needed to be learn in a severely condensed off season. The Cardinals also traded for Kevin Kolb who had to learn the offense in the same condense time. The organization as a whole should have prepared better for the lock out, Maybe not fire Billy Davis let him stay one more year, maybe don't trade away Tim Hightower because you know Beanie is injury prone. As I said hindsight is 20/20 and right now Whisenhunt is doing good with what he has. You can't make chicken soup out of chicken shit. If by week 11 or week 12 the Cardinals are still playing horribly then the blame game can start adding Whiz. However the Cards can't wait that long but it might be to their at vantage as the OT class is fairly good so far for this draft class. The Cards are a year away mark my words! Just hope the organization doesn't ruin that by starting from scratch. Consistency makes good teams good for long. The longer Graves knows the system he scouts for the better draft pick the Cardinals will have. Don't give up on Whiz yet and don't give up on season yet.
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Good post
But we didn’t lose Steve Breaston because the Bidwells didn’t want to pay him. He left because the Coaching Staff felt comfortable with the WR’s we had, and figured Andre Roberts and Early Doucet could take over the #2 and #3 spots behind Fitz.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
And I voted Greg Toler
Because even though the other picks were great, he still has a ton of potential, and could be a great CB. If only he wasn’t injured…
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
Tolers
situation sucks. I thought he was gonna have a good season this year. At least PP gets some learning time now. But if PP starts doing really good, What does whiz do next year? Does toler get his job back? does he become a backup? Do we move peterson to safety? So many questions about our secondary. I dont like the idea of peterson moving to safety until he has at least 3 years at corner to prove himself. And i voted DWASH but was tempted to click CC.
I think if PP starts to establish himself
then we are in a very good spot. Toler and Peterson across from each other with Jefferson on the slot receiver. We could mix and match our three good CBs according to the match ups. It’s never a bad thing to have too many good players, and as more and more teams throw out 3 WR sets regularly, we will need three good cover guys. Maybe then we can use the draft to get some safety help along with OLB and OL
Marshall was signed to a 1 yr deal
Would love to have him back but he’ll probably fetch too big of a deal that we can’t match to make him our nickel or dime corner
by cardinalbrown on Oct 22, 2011 7:48 PM MDT up reply actions
in other words...
the bidwells didnt want pay breaston to be our #2 because they thought we had a cheaper alternative already on the roster. I’m pretty sure the Cards would have liked to keep Breaston, for the right price of course.
I also think
The love fest him and Hailey have had something to do with him leaving
by cgcardzfan on Oct 22, 2011 2:01 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I remember
hearing it came down to guaranteed money and the Cardinals FO thinking his knee was an issue for a longterm deal
by cardinalbrown on Oct 22, 2011 7:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Good post
Actually kept my attention and i enjoyed reading it. This years draft confused me as well. But i think i finally figured it out. My opinion on this years draft was that our FO knew this year was gonna be a bust due to the fact that we have young unproven players starting with no offseason, a whole lot of new players, and a whole new defense. They wanted to give levi one more year to see if he would get it before his big payday, and to be honest we took cream of the crop skill players like williams and housler who should have been gone by then. This years draft class didnt have great OLINE prospects, but next years class does as u have stated. i think the idea all along was to grab the players that were steals, let our players prove themselves this year, and use our high picks to address the OLINE and Pass rush next season. I completely agree we are one year away from being a good team.
I agree
i was pulling my hair out during the draft, but after stepping back, i realized that they were simply drafting the best talent. hopefully they follow through with their plan and take some very talented Lineman and Linebackers next draft
I hope they go BPA
even if it’s a WR or DE
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Oct 22, 2011 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Just thought I would point them out :)
You can edit them if you want
by Tyler Nickel on Oct 21, 2011 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Voted for LaRod just because he has been so productive as a returner/special teams/change of pace guy for someone taken so late in the draft
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I wish it were so simple
Coach Whiz has made his fair share of mistakes. Just looking that the draft doesn’t tell the whole picture. Our FA agent acquisition so far has been poor.
Whis has also struggled in his play calling. I do not doubt his ability as a play caller, but rather his implementation of his offense. DA for example was the absolute wrong QB for our system yet Whiz asked him to perform it.
He has asked the same of Kolb and so far we have seen mixed results.. His offense works, we saw it with Warner and Roethlisberger.
His loyalty and overvaluation of veteran players is hurting the team. Guys like Porter, Faneca, and Bryan McFadden have not produced. So far only only Heap has made any impact but is also already on the injury list. Porter has been non-existent. I believe that rookies should earn their keep, but when they are the better player (or player with more potential) he should be starting.
We went to the playoffs twice in a row.
he’s had 3 non-losing seasons, with the CARDINALS! He lost a hall of fame QB, and is having trouble replacing him. How much are you gonna knock him for that?
And what do you mean his “loyalty” is hurting the team? Porter, Faneca, and B-mac were not great by any means, but they were playing for a reason! They were the best players we had at those positions!
Whiz's fault?
I would say the HC is responsible for: team preperation, game plan, execution, play calling, win/loss record.
I would say the HC is responsible for: team preperation, game plan,execution, play calling,win/loss record.
The coaches are not on the field of play. It is up to the players on the field to execute the plays. Coaches do obviously have some to do with the win-loss record, but if you tell me that Harbaugh would have the Miami Dolphins at 5-1, I would say you are out of your mind. Again, the players have to execute and play to their potential. I don’t think we have seen many of the players on the squad playing to their ability which probably has a lot to do with comfortability in the system, which only comes with time. SO you know, Harbaugh’s first two seasons at Stanford had him at 4-8 and 5-7. It was at his 3rd year that he finally started winning, and coincidentally had Andrew Luck AND Toby Gerhart anchoring his offense.
Miami 5-1?
When I watched them play the individual players were not as bad as their record. Don’t be surprised to see a big turn around, at least, I won’t be. If Harbaugh had them, who knows? His style and personality seem to translate to NFL wins.
Here it goes...
Coach Whiz has made his fair share of mistakes I will give you that. The reason I looked at the drafts of the past is because I heard many people blaming Whiz for not drafting a tackle or a pass rusher. I wanted to show this was not possible form the Cardinals situation unless they mortgaged the future and moved up.
The Free Agent acquisitions have been poor but the good teams don’t rely heavily on them. Either way the lack of desire to come to the Cardinals has something to do with the Bidwell’s not wanting to pay out and the losing history. Why would someone want to go to a losing franchise unless they get paid? The Cardinals shouldn’t want those types of people anyway.
His loyalty has brought the Cardinals at least half the coaching staff. The former Pittsburgh players have not played bad. Personally I think he rejuvenated Clark Haggans who was losing it when he left Pittsburgh. Joey Porter was the best option last year and the only option to begin this year with no off-season. This is because he was familiar with the defensive scheme. I did laugh when the Cards brought in McFadden and cried (figuratively) when the Steelers got him back.
He chose to start DA because Lienart was timid, and never when down field, it was the best of a bad situation. Best being used loosely.
Finally of course Kevin Kolb hasn’t looked good so far I didn’t expect him to but here a real life example. Lets say I give you 5 weeks to learn Japanese then after 5 week I throw out into Japan with nothing and expect you to start thriving there. Pretty tough right? Well now try doing all that while having 300lbs guy trying to take your head off (figuratively of course do want any fines). Even tougher? That’s analogous to what Kolbs had to do.
The facts are prior to Whiz being the head coach of the Cardinals, the Cardinals had oly one wining season since 1984!! (that was in 1998) Since Whiz the Cards have had 2 winning season, a .500 season, 4 playoff wins and a Superbowl appearance!!! They also made the playoffs in back to back year for the first time ever!!! Oh yeah and Whiz just needs 10 wins (33-36 currently) to have the most regular season wins in franchise history.
I guess the Cards should dump this failure now and get guys more like Denny Green (16-32 with Cards) so every team can know that the Cards “Are you they thought they were!”
Japan and Japanese is a poor analogy.
First, I like Whisenhunt but I prefer being realistic about Whisenhunt instead of giving him excuses. We are under performing this year and that fault lies mostly on his shoulders. It’s that simple in my mind. I still think he is a guy who can fix it, but if this season tanks it will be hard not to point some of the blame at him.
Second, I am not doubting Kolb, I think he will be fine as our QB.
Third, I know about this team. I understand why DA over Leinart. I get the drafting. It’s great Haggans and Lenon are playing well.
And last, to stick with your analogy, Kolb has spend five years around a different dialect of Japanese, he should have a head start over guys like Dalton and Newton and should be able to pick this new dialect up pretty quick.
by Jesse Reynolds on Oct 21, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Not sticking with analogy
But the concepts and verbiage of the “West Coast” system are far different from any other style. Not saying Kolb doesn’t already know the verbiage and plays he probably does. The problem is how comfortable is he in the plays and the trust in player around him and that can only come with time. No easy way around it.I apologize for the long winded (or in this case typed) attack but I get a little pissed when people talk about firing Whiz.
I understand
I don’t think we should fire him, but I expect more – as we all should.
by Jesse Reynolds on Oct 22, 2011 1:30 AM MDT up reply actions
awwww
u said ‘we’ in your article…. you’re crossing over!
NO just how I talk to Cards fans
I am a fan of the Cards to some degree, feel it a requirement when living in AZ. I tend to use we whenever I talk about the the Steelers or Cardinals. I confuse a lot of people when I talk about both at the same time,
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Great Post
really enjoyed reading it, I’m a bit of a draft fanatic. Looking over it, i think whiz has gotten better at drafting each year, This year draft is now my favourite of the Whiz-era drafts, big talent every round, although at the time, when Housler was drafted in the third round i was very upset, i was convinced that they would draft Martez Wilson, he went a couple picks later to the saints. Hopefully Wilson doesn’t end up as elite pass rusher, but now im a big fan of Housler! Can’t wait for next years draft!
On another note
Von Miller was benched by Denver last game, think they would be up for a straight trade PP for Von? Or maybe PP and a 4th for Von. I’d do it can’t tell you how much I wanted to see Miller in Cardinal red. (black on some occasions but you get the picture)
Or since the need DL help
Dan Williams and a 3rd for Von Miller? I’d do that fast! To bad trade deadline is past…
Exactly how many pro bowls have the guys on this list combined for?
To me it looks like exactly how a team should draft if their intent is winning 4-5 games a year.
It was only called the mildly irritated house on McDowell until I showed up.
Haha
Your right why don’t I look at how a winning organization like the Pittsburgh Steelers draft surely they have drafted numerous pro bowler since they not had a losing season under Tomlin. (10.75 wins a season since 2007) Lets see they have 2. LaMarr Woodely and Maurkice Pouncey.
The Cardinals have 1 Dominique Rodgers Cromartie.
Hmm sound like your theory that draftees must become Pro Bowler is a little flawed. Since the Steelers have won a Super Bowl and been to another with these obviously inferior draft picks.
Well how about the Patriots who since 2007 are averaging 12.75 wins a year. 3 Pro Bowlers hmm… that means they should have, more Super Bowl appearances and play off wins then either the Steelers or the Cardinals. Let see the Patriots are 2-3 in the playoffs since 07 and have one Super Bowl appearance (loss), the Cardinals are 4-2 in the playoffs and one Super Bowl appearance (loss) and Steelers are 5-2 in playoff with 2 Super Bowl appearances.
Well I guess drafting Pro Bowlers doesn’t really matter since out of those three groups the Cards have drafted the least amount of Pro Bowler but have a better playoff record and as many Super Bowl appearances as the Pats.
Who cares about Pro Bowls?
Any idiot with a computer who thinks he is smart can vote
by Redbird Nation #1 on Oct 21, 2011 6:02 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's my point
Pro Bowls are voted by fans therefore Winning Games gets you Pro Bowlers but having Pro Bowlers doesn’t get you wins. Not sure why this is a response to my comment and not his.
its not the deciding factor on whether u win a super bowl.
but having pro bowlers gets u wins, there’s a reason they’re in the pro bowl!
just because a couple of players get snubbed every year doesn’t mean the pro bowler status is meaningless…
I disagree
The team with the most publicity usually gets the most Pro Bowlers. If Pro Bowlers matter that much than why do the Cardinals have a better postseason record than the Patriots since ’07. i would take a team with a bunch of really good guys over a team with a couple of Pro Bowler any day.
If you're drafting pro bowlers
The patriots were better than the cardinals in that time span. Of course pro bowlers aren’t the most important thing in winning a championship, but to say they are meaningless is just silly. Idk what you’re trying to say, I thought you’re point was that pro bowlers are not always the best at their position, yet u say u rather have a bunch of pretty good players rather than a couple of pro bowlers. That implies that u believe pro bowlers are better than ‘good’, which means that u think they’re great or elite. So I really don’t get what you’re trying to say
by forget on Oct 22, 2011 3:15 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
geez
pro bowlers matter…cmon.
if you’re drafting pro bowlers, you’re doing ok for yourself haha.
I'm not sure about that...
I know a lot of their big names are FA pickups, but look at the Eagles. Pro Bowlers don’t guarantee wins. Team chemistry and character, and good coaching will at least make a team respectable.
I think
If you make a bunch of changes it is going to take time to iron it out. Doesnt matter how good the players are. Like the Eagles. We made more changes and arguably have less talent right? They only have 1 more win then us. We have another tough one next week. But after that the teams will be more in our ball park. Lets see how the rest of the NFC west does against the Steelers and Ravens. We werent expecting to win these two anyway. But we did give away some that we should have won. I think playing these tough games will make us better prepared to beat the lesser teams.
Insert epic quote here: "I got nothin'"
I have always loved Wiz on draft day
game day is a different story
Chicago Cubs - Arizona Cardinals 168 combined years and no rings
I guess I'm a masochist
I don't know about loving his drafts
But at least he doesn’t reach. I think there may have been some OL or pass rushers that would have been good values in the 2nd and 3rd rounds though…and would have been more valuable to the team than Williams and Housler. Especially since we went out and got 2 very good TE.
agreed with most of the draft. Only wonder why sign Jeff king when drated Robert and Heap was coming. Could have signed another O line man. The linebackers will continue to step up both Acho and Scho. Sorry we got a steal with Q in later round in college he was good pass rusher, if had problems with scheme just set him loose.
Peterson needs to go to safety to make some plays on the ball in the air, he thinks every ball is his. We will surprise people for rest of the year and get our tackles next year and with Beanie and Ryan become that smash mouth team building toward.

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