Hamza Abdullah Calls Out Arizona Cardinals Fans On Twitter
by Jess Root on Oct 23, 2011 6:43 PM MDT
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PrintAfter a 32-20 loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers, the 1-5 Arizona Cardinals found more ways to lose. On Sunday, it was a case of mistakes and big plays. However, they were able to stay in the game and keep it close for most of the game. They scored a touchdown to pull the score to 17-14 and had momentum, but were unable to get a stop defensively on the ensuing Pittsburgh drive.
As frustrating a game it was for the fans, apparently it was frustrating for the players to deal with a stadium that had thousands of Pittsburgh Steelers fans, obviously the result of the 1-4 start after some somewhat lofty expectations in the NFC West. Reserve safety Hamza Abdullah vented his frustration on Twitter after the game.
It raises an important question -- how much should the fans be expected to pick up their team and how much is it on the team to fire up the fans?
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Hamza Abdullah I'm sorely disappointed in the #BirdGang. You might be disappointed in us, but we play well at home. And we lean on y'all to pick us up.
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Hamza Abdullah 20,000 out of 60,000 were Pittsburgh fans. That's absurd and uncalled for. The #BirdGang is better than that.
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Hamza Abdullah Say what you want, but I'm a fan first. When my team is down, that's when you are the loudest, that's when you need the most support
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Hamza Abdullah It is what it is. Yeah, you can call us names, and say we haven't given anyone anything to cheer for, but it's 17-14, and we have momentum
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Hamza Abdullah But the crowd is pro steelers, so we can't even use our greatest asset, Our Home Crowd... Home field is huge in sports.
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Hamza Abdullah That's why they give it to the best team...all in all, if your for me and for us, then be for me and for us.
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This is a touchy subject for fans. To watch a football game, they have to shell out big money to watch at the stadium. Many should question why a fan should have to be responsible for being the ones to inspire players who are paid millions of dollars to entertain those who attend.
At the same time, athletes do in fact feed off the crowd. Abdullah is right in that. Home-field advantage is a huge weapon. The Cardinals did not have it.
Why?
It cuts to the core of Arizona sports fans. The culture here is to be very passionate when given a reason to do so and when there is hope for a reason to do so. Why is that?
Specifically for the Cardinals, fans have suffered for almost the entire history of the Cardinals in Arizona and forced to watch absolutely terrible teams. There is no history of hope. When there is no hope, there is no expectation of passion. There are thousands of fans waiting and hoping for a reason to be passionate. That is why the second there is a flicker of hope, it looks like a crowd of bandwagon fans.
Honestly, only the Phoenix Suns have the history to create that sort of passion that the team can be inspired from. Unfortunately, even those fans have started to wane in their passion because of the overall mediocrity.
That is just the reality of Arizona fans. The culture requires a reason to cheer. A 1-4 start after having expectations of competitiveness sucks all the passion out.
Abdullah is out of line for calling out the fans. They pay good money to cheer or not cheer. He needs to worry about making plays. I understand frustration, but to publicly decry his disappointment in the home crowd is disappointing. He did nothing to help.
However, in his defense, he followed it up with the way he should have -- in fact, it was perfect. He is offering to help the crowd situation by bringing true Cardinals fans to the next game.
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Hamza Abdullah If you're a real #BirdGang member, I salute you, and we need you going forward. Peace
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Hamza Abdullah If you in the #BirdGang I got you for the next game vs the Rams. I'm giving 100 tickets out. And that's REAL!!!
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I think it is a necessary save to his previous tweets.
What say you? Are the fans to blame for the loss? Do we need to do more for a team that has given very little to cheer for? Should he never have said anything? Or is there something to say on both ends?
If someone has the answer, then I highly recommend that that person become a consultant to the local teams. It would earn that person gobs of money.
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The Steelers attract large crowds
Wherever they go. They can’t use that as an excuse.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
Maybe if they gave us something to cheer for
more people would show up for the games. It’s all on the players, they are the athletes and showman the game is built around, stop stinking it up and make it exciting and you’ll see a whole lot more red in UofP
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Well, if the fans are going to complain all the time
They should support the team. Even when we were good, there were still a bunch of opposing teams fans at the games. I just think its the transient culture we have here in the Phoenix area. I think that’ll change as years go by though. Well hopefully it will.
I just hate it when people say," oh they need to win before they get my support." they really don’t get the meaning of watching/ playing sports. I know money is tight for a lot of people right now, but seriously, it pisses me off when cowboys, steelers, or packer fans make up 1/4 of our attendance.
by forget on Oct 23, 2011 7:17 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
But they need to win to form a large fanbase
I followed them throughout last year, which pretty much proves that I’m not a bandwagon fan, so I’m not talking about myself when I say this, but 2008 won them a lot of fans, and it’s starting to wear off. The Cardinals haven’t won enough to create a hardcore fanbase. The Steelers have historically been good, and so have the Cowboys and Packers. That’s why they have so many fans (And a lot of their fans are bandwagoners).
If/When the Cardinals start winning regularly, they’ll start attracting more fans, and eventually, all those fans will create a new Cardinals fanbase. The Cardinals are easily the most popular team in Arizona. They need to take advantage of that.
Not saying you should support a team only because they’re winning. I’m saying the average fan will only start to follow a team if they’re good, and that’s just life in the sports world.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
I'd say the suns are still on top.
U don’t see as many opposing team fan take overs in us airways arena.
It’d just be nice if people actually had pride in where there from, that’s all.
by forget on Oct 23, 2011 7:36 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
They do until the Cardinals start embarrassing them. lol
by Dylan L Howard on Oct 23, 2011 7:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Well anyone would be frustrated
dropping 100-1000 dollars at the stadium to see the Cardinals get embarassed.
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U get your money's with cardinals home games every time.
Not many stinkers at UofP stadium
by forget on Oct 23, 2011 7:37 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Nah,
Kolb has stunk it up this season. Much like DA last season, except DA was much MUCH cheaper.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Oct 23, 2011 8:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Are you seriously comparing Kolb to DA?
Yeah, Kolb hasn’t played up to expectations yet, but he’s already WAY ahead of where DA was at any point last season.
And forget was right, the Cardinals always play better at UofP stadium. This year they beat the Panthers, should have beat the Giants, and were only down 3 to the Steelers in the 3rd quarter.
Faith Focus Finish
The Cardinals are my favorite team!
I grew up in Mesa cheering for the 49ers and when we finaly got a team I went to the games and cheered. I watched many gut wrenching loses. I even Heckled Hershel Walker as he returned 3 kicks/punts for touch downs and had one called back. I loved to hate the Eagles, still do.
But the bottom line is no amount of cheering would have made Haggans sack Ben Roth. He got off the line and had Ben dead to rights and he just faded off and he didnt even try to get him. No amount of cheering would tell Jefferson to run with Wallace and not to look into the back field when there #1 WR is your responcability. If it was, no amount of fan support would get the safty over the top any faster.
We pay to see you play.
It's demoralizing
Its like if you’re a fighter, and you’re getting your ass kicked, and then you look to your corner, and no ones there because they bailed on you. It’d be tough to come back from that
by forget on Oct 23, 2011 7:40 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
The Coaches are in the corner for the Cards we are fans.
In the Movie 2012, that boxer diserverd to get knocked out, becouse his rich supporter left during his boudt, he lost his focus. When I played I new my parents and freinds were in the stands, but once the game started, I wouldnt even know it if the left or weather they cheered or not. If a profesional needs a fan to support them to be a winner, then they are not a profesonal. Yes, I cant spell, but any 7th grader can get what I am trying to say. & no I was never a pro.
Dude, a crowd can help.
It’s embarrassing to be taken over like that.
by forget on Oct 23, 2011 7:54 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Not trying to make excuses
But the Steelers typically do this wherever they go.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
I agree.
But if they would have won the Redskin game, the Seahawks and the Giants, any one of those games. Maybe more Red would have came to the game. We should have won ALL three of those games and Mesa Jr could have beat us the way we played against Minnisota.
I cheer for the Cards, but I disagree with a player saying they would have played better if the Fans would have cheered louder when it was 17 to 14. Thats just crap.
Then go buy tickets,
your the one that says it’s a “privilege” to be able to see them in UofP, do something to make yourself more valuable, up your income, then when you spend a Sunday dropping a wad of cash on a losing team, you’ll see exactly why the stands are not packed with red.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Oct 23, 2011 8:56 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I go to 6-7 games a year
And buy a bunch of merch…. I do my part
by forget on Oct 23, 2011 9:20 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Hes Wrong
I respect the basis of what he is saying but he is dead wrong. What a huge baby blaming the fans for the teams crappy performance. Grow up I had season tickets and did not enjoy spending my hard earned cash to watch a group of guys not play well. I will be a fan and support and go to the occasional game. However, this guy is crying about us not supporting him when he makes 1,000 times what I make and I am not spending my money to see them get worked again and again and again. I was a season ticket holder for multiple years and last year was rough. I did not want to spend 5-6 hours of my Sunday feeling pissed and like crap because this team could not pull it together.
by Dylan L Howard on Oct 23, 2011 7:45 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Almost all of the home
Games are competitive.
by forget on Oct 23, 2011 7:48 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I think what he means is
Even if they’re competitive in each game, they’re still losing, and no one really wants to spend hundreds of Dollars watching a team with no hope for the season.
I’m sorry, but that’s the truth. I’ll always support the Cardinals 1,000%, and I’ll always be a hardcore optimist, but even I know that it gets tiring watching a team that’s going nowhere. Most fans go to watch their team win, and not to watch the game of football.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
by Skii on Oct 23, 2011 7:52 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's the thing
All people care about is winning when it comes to watching sports. To me, it’s about how your team plays the game. If they play hard, and the games are close, I have no problems with losing. I’m disappointed, but really a good game is all I can ask for. Especially since I suffered through many years of sitting at sun devil stadium seeing us get blown out every game.
by forget on Oct 23, 2011 7:59 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
That's where I disagree
Sports is all about winning. There’s no “We came close and tried our best” trophy. There’s the Lombardi Trophy for the team that wins it all.
The people of Arizona paid hundreds of millions of Dollars to build University of Phoenix Stadium, which means they have a right to see a winning team. If a team keeps coming close but not winning, that means they’re not improving, which means all the millions of Dollars they’re earning from the fans is just a big waste of money. And if that happens, then the fans have every right to complain.
Right now, Cardinals fans have a right to complain.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
by Skii on Oct 23, 2011 8:07 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
If I'm playing, it's all about winning
But if I’m watching, I care more about seeing a good game. Like I said, I still am disappointed, but that doesn’t mean I’m gonna stop going to games and stuff
by forget on Oct 23, 2011 8:15 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not either
I’ll always watch and support the Cardinals. But the majority of fans only care about if their team wins or not. Yeah, during the game I want it to be entertaining, but at the end of the day, all that matters is the win.
What fan wants to pay hundreds of Dollars to watch a team that comes up short everytime? They won’t care if the game was the most competitive one in the world. Eventually, they’ll stop paying money if the team keeps losing.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
They had 3 good seasons
Where they won most of their home games. Even last season they won 3 or 4 home games. They win at home, I don’t get why don’t wanna come out and see these exciting games.
by forget on Oct 23, 2011 8:23 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Because in the end
Most fans only care if their teams are winning. They don’t have the same mentality as you. Most people don’t attend football games for the sake of watching the sport of football. They attend the games to see their favorite team win. And even if they win most of their home games, they’re still losing games on the road, and missing out on the Playoffs, and in the end, if a team has no hope for a season, why would anyone want to waste money on watching them?
Like I said, I’ll always support the Cardinals right up till the last game of the season, and I’ll always be an optimist, but most fans (Even me to a point) only care about winning. That’s what sports is about.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
Teams like the cubs and bears sell out when they lose.
I guess it just takes a special fan base. I just wish people would cheer for what we have, instead of complaining about what we aren’t.
by forget on Oct 23, 2011 8:37 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I hope you're not
Saying that I’m not a fan, because I’m definitely a big one. And I get what you’re saying, but I can’t fault people. We all want to watch a winning team, and until we win, we’re going to complain no matter what.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
But at the same time
Everyone’s going to still cheer for the Cardinals. But you can’t fault people for not wanting to go to the games or complaining, because why should anyone pay hundreds of Dollars to watch a losing team? After paying over $300 million for University of Phoenix Stadium, everyone deserves to have a winning team.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
Ya I'm not faulting anyone
What they care about and what they choose to spend money on are none of my business. I just wish we could have a better fan base.
by forget on Oct 23, 2011 8:57 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Sorry man but they have not been very exciting and as a FORMER season ticket holder I can assure you that!
by Dylan L Howard on Oct 23, 2011 11:00 PM MDT up reply actions
for 3 seasons they won like 6 of their home games
last season they won 3 or 4. That’s an above .500 record. What more do u want? All of the games are thrillers man! even when we lose.
Sports have no reason to exist without a championship
and if your to slow to process that, it boils down to winning, the only reason anyone plays ANY sport is to beat someone doing the exact same thing.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Oct 23, 2011 8:58 PM MDT up reply actions
watching and playing are two different things
when the cardinals win, you don’t win. You’re supposed to be a fan of a team because they play in your area, not because they win.
lol, yeah tell that to the Seattle Super Sonics, ohhhhh wait thats right their not around anymore. Then why are you not showing up to Sunnyside’s football games their in your area.
by Dylan L Howard on Oct 23, 2011 11:04 PM MDT up reply actions
sunnyside?
what r u talking about?
and the sonics leaving wasn’t the fans fault, they got conned
We are not saying that they are not.
We are saying that it is his job to show up and play better. We are also saying that it is not the job of fans to blow smoke up his ass to make him fell better.
You're right, he shouldnt be whining about it
But it is embarrassing to have that many opposing fans in your stadium
by forget on Oct 23, 2011 8:00 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
So is he going to cry when a bunch of Dallas fans show up for the X-Mas game?
Thats just the NFL. He has been in the league laong enough to know that there are teams that have an elite fan base. The Packers fans didnt travel well in the 80’s. But now…. When they played in Detroit last year it was green and yellow. Why, becouse they were just starting to win and get a fan base. If they keep winning that could change this year.
Exactly
That’s just the way of sports. If the Cardinals show that they can win consistently, they’ll build up a large national following. But they haven’t shown that, so right now, even locally fans are going to be mad. You can’t fault anyone for that. The fans pay the team millions of Dollars to see them win. They don’t pay to watch them come up short every week.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
by Skii on Oct 23, 2011 8:09 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
They had three good seasons in a row.
Now they’ve had 2 bad ones. It’s really hard to be a consistent winner in this league. There are maybe 6 or 7 teams that are fairly consistent winners. It’s unrealistic to think the cards can win consistently, unless we hit on an elite franchise quarterback.
by forget on Oct 23, 2011 8:20 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
What we're all mad about
Is that the team seems to be getting worse/isn’t showing any signs of improvement. I’d be fine if this was a rebuilding year, but it isn’t.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
1 great season 2 ok season 8-8 9-7 not great seasons.
by Dylan L Howard on Oct 23, 2011 11:06 PM MDT up reply actions
we won playoff games in 2 seasons
and went 8-8 in the other. Those are good seasons! We were going 4-12 and 5-11 before that! Let me guess, u got your tickets after the super bowl?
Forget?
The “Pro” was mad becouse they would have played better if the fans supported them louder. I am sorry, I am in Lousianna and the Saints are killing the hapless Colts and I am on the computer. Why? Becouse I AM a Cards fan. AND, I hate the fact that a back up for my team is publicly crying about the fans not cheering loud enough for him to play better when the score was close.
He is wrong.
I think I said earlier that he shouldn't be whining.
But he is right about the fans
by forget on Oct 23, 2011 8:59 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
So you think...
that the Cards would have played better if the Fans at the game stood up and cheered louder at that time in the game?
No Way!
Nah
I meant he’s right that the fans should be embarrassed that they let their stadium be taken over
by forget on Oct 23, 2011 9:04 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
The fans didnt let anything happen. The Steelers are doing well and they always traveled well to Arizona.
But the bottom line is no amount of cheering would have made Haggans sack Ben Roth. He got off the line and had Ben dead to rights and he just faded off and he didnt even try to get him. No amount of cheering would tell Jefferson to run with Wallace and not to look into the back field when there #1 WR is your responcability. If it was, no amount of fan support would get the safty over the top any faster.
We pay to see you play.
Fans should be embarassed?
Half of the Cardinals roster should be embarassed, because with the way they have played this year I don’t think they could beat the CFL champion
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Oct 23, 2011 9:16 PM MDT up reply actions
they are embarrassed
and the fans should be too
I doubt that much trying to blame the crowd for them sucking. That takes some serious balls.
by Dylan L Howard on Oct 23, 2011 11:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Hamza used to write posts on here, right?
Just saw three of his old posts in the side links.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
Was that really him?
Haha just don’t know why he would take time to do that
by forget on Oct 23, 2011 9:00 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, he posted here like a total of 4 times or something
But they were well-written, long posts, so at least he took the time for that.
Wish more players would do that.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
That's pretty cool
Hey we should and get that nfl news guy to get a player to write for the site. He’s supposed to have an internship or something With the cards
by forget on Oct 23, 2011 9:22 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah,
it’s obvious we need to replace him.
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I get the reason why Abdullah wants more AZ fans in the building, but
1. Steelers fans, like Packers fans, always travel well.
2. Like people have said in this thread, the Cards have given their fans years of losing and disappointment.
3. It might just be the mentality of the region to show up when their local teams are enjoying success.
4. Even without that many AZ fans in the building, the players still need to play as hard as they can to make sure they put a good product on the field and that they can get another contract.
"Keep a positive outlook, even when things are looking bleak. Remember, nothing is impossible."
Small-market crowds > Large-market crowds
David Stern and Associates - Bailing out the Lakers from 1984 to 2011.
Cincy Kings Fan: "Minnesota - LOL" : (Word used to describe the Minnesota Timberwolves)
in response.
1. Arizona is a retirement/vacation destination/ winter home for many people from all over north america. therefore, you do not have a city that is a high percentage bred and born in phoenix. everyone makes picks “their team” when they are young so in phoenix you will have a smaller percentage of cards fans. compare that to a crappy city like pitt where hardly anyone would choose to live. everyone born and bred steelers fans.
2. anyone read sportscasting? it is freakanomics for sports. very good book. anyways they take a very in depth look at home field advantage. Basically they shake it down to the peer pressure that the refs feel from the fan base. And refs, being human are influenced by the masses. in football, home field advantage can bit a more as fans can help get the odd false start. so fans actually have a minute impact on the game.
4. Many fans have been wanting a change with cards and apparently a drop in revenue is the only way to get mr. bidwells attention, so good on you fans who have taken action to stop supporting the losing culture of the cards. Sports is a business to those at the top and the only thing they see is the bottom line. as fans that is the only place we have a say. so if you are a true fan and demand excellence, instead of some pussy culture where losing is accepted, then lets get bidwells attention.
4. abdulla needs to shut the hell up and play. stop making excuses. shit, this pisses me off. You would hope that a professional athlete would not give such a weak ass excuse (or any excuse for that matter). grow a sack, take some responsibility and play. Fans do not control the game or the ever elusive “momentum”, players do. period!
So true fans should stop going to the games to stick it to the man? Screw that! If the true fans stop going to the games then you won’t be able to watch the game at home due to a blackout
Sure Abdullah will catch a lot of flack for his comments but they are true. If you are a Cardinals fan and watched the game at home, aren’t you a little embarrassed you didn’t go to the game. That was a ton of Steeler fans and the outcome of the game angers me as much as Cardinal fans not showing up on Sundays. C’mon man, help us get the home field advantage and drown out the opposing teams fans.
by cardinalbrown on Oct 23, 2011 10:39 PM MDT up reply actions
are you happy with the cardinals right now?
if not, what can you do to make them change? are you happy that they are 1-5 right now? if not, why support them financially? by all means support the cards emotionally and whatever, but it is basic business, if you are making money do not stop what you are doing. If revenue drops, then changes need to be made.
have u been to a game
where u can here the opposing fans chanting “go pack go” or “defense!” when the cards are on offense? its the worst feeling!
I have been to 1 cards game. 2 years ago. the vikings game where peterson had 18 yards rushing and henderson had that nasty leg break.
It was awesome! stood and cheered the whole game.
Wasn't that the Tavares Jackson show?
by cardinalbrown on Oct 23, 2011 11:10 PM MDT up reply actions
no
that was the game when bridges dominated Allen, and fitz and Q had TD’s
You sir have a great memory. I remember that Henderson leg break, still makes me cringe.
I bet the 1200 mile journey is tough to make but come out 12/4 for the cowboys game. We always play them tough and we need a good showing from Cardinal fans
by cardinalbrown on Oct 23, 2011 11:24 PM MDT up reply actions
ugh
there will be so many romo jerseys!
even when the ‘boys aren’t playing, u can usually see a few scattered throughout UofP lol
Saw some today
Even saw some Steeler jerseys with D’Backs hats on. Did my best to verbally abuse those fans. If the NBA wasn’t in lockout my go to is, See you at the Suns game
by cardinalbrown on Oct 23, 2011 11:29 PM MDT up reply actions
We need to pull a detroit lions
and get our young guys experience now so that we are ready to roll next year. If I was GM of the cards I would put my focus towards next year. cut porter, get all our young LB’ers playing time and see who earns it. Quan, Bradley, Bring back Davis, scho, acho. who ever produces, plays. I would spend less time game planning and more time installing and gets reps on our packages and focus on skills. Horton needs to spend more time with our young secondary.
I still believe we are a LT and OLB away from being a very, very good team.
most of the pieces are there. if we get a great OLB, or D would have studs at each level. Wash, CC, DD, PP(not yet, but soon)
We need Kolb to play well before we can be a good team
O-line and the secondary are two big holes. While I agree the young guys need more playing time, Porter and Haggans have important roles as teachers. They know our system and are savvy vets that can help Scho and Acho take the next step
by cardinalbrown on Oct 23, 2011 11:41 PM MDT up reply actions
they can teach all they want in practice and from the sidelines
why waste minutes on them when we are 1-5?
I think you'll see a change in that
Don’t know if Lenon got hurt, but he was replaced by Bradley today. Lenon looked pretty dejected sitting by himself on the water cooler
by cardinalbrown on Oct 23, 2011 11:52 PM MDT up reply actions
go to a steelers or packers game
it stinks (unless we pull ahead early of course)
and im guessing you’ve never lived in AZ, its not just a retirement/vacation destination. The amount of native arizonans is growing larger and larger.
i'd love to.
gets pricey after a flight to AZ, purchase scalped tickets of stub hub and accommodations. you are probably right about the retirement/ vacation thing. but I would still bet the percentages are different from say Wisconsin or Pitt
its a common misconception
PHX is one of the largest metropolitan areas in the country. People still think we’re like a wild west town with cowboys and indians and stuff
you can still see tumbleweeds on 91st ave on the way to the game
by cardinalbrown on Oct 23, 2011 11:20 PM MDT up reply actions
The point I am making is that because Phoenix is a desirerable place to live
people from all over the states have moved there and have brought with them there allegiance to other teams. where as I am pretty sure that only packers fans live in green bay.
Very true
As a local fan who was born and raised I’m waiting for the transient fan trend to end. How much longer will it take for Arizona residents to cheer for the Cardinals rather than their Dad’s team
by cardinalbrown on Oct 23, 2011 11:26 PM MDT up reply actions
haha true, glendale kinda stinks though
there’s nothing there except the stadium and the arena!
see i think thats wrong.
the reason the cardinals have to make knee-jerk reactions (like trading for kolb) is that the bidwells know that they will lose fan support if they don’t win. If u support them all the way, they can focus on improving the team, instead of keeping ticket sales up. Teams like the packers, steelers, and pats can make moves based on purely football, the cardinals have to take more chances, because their fan support can take a huge dip after a losing season.
The Bidwells started spending money when they got their new stadium, it had nothing to do with fans not coming to the games. He is committed to winning now that he has the stadium
I think this is a weak excuse.
I do not think the kolb trade is a “knee-jerk reaction”. do you honestly think that we would be better this year if we did not trade for kolb? do you not think kolb is an upgrade?
focus on improving the team? like addressing our biggest need and trading for kolb?
Not happy at all
Why support them financially? Because I’ve been going to the games for 13 years and my fellow season ticket holders are like family. Also, the NFL uses revenue sharing so ticket sales don’t matter as much as one may think. What does matter is having Steeler fans taking the Cardinal flag handouts to X them out and wave them around
by cardinalbrown on Oct 23, 2011 11:09 PM MDT up reply actions
No, not at all it is a football team dude not my sisters graduation.
by Dylan L Howard on Oct 23, 2011 11:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Hazma has a point
It is embarrassing how season ticket holders sell their seats to opposing team fans. I’ve been going to games for 13 years and learned to expect this from Cardinal fans. It’d be nice for this trend to change but there is a list of teams that flood UoP and outnumber us. Annually it’s Dallas and San Fran but Oakland, Pitt, and the Bears did it too.
I can’t make Cardinal fans pay for tickets and go to the games, but I can promise I’ll be there 8+ games a year losing my voice trying to interrupt the snap count
you are uninformed guy. You post your tickets through the cardinals site or stub hub and do not know who is buying it. You would obviously know that if you ever owned season tickets loser.
by Dylan L Howard on Oct 23, 2011 11:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Those are just two routes of selling tickets
Craigslist is more popular because you don’t pay service fees and get to see the fan you sell them to. A member of ROTB in Seattle went as far as buying a Seahawks hat to pass off as a fan in order to buy tickets
Secondly, I don’t post or sell my tickets. I go to every game
by cardinalbrown on Oct 23, 2011 11:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Total fucking bullshit out of line classic example of what is wrong with this team
Guy needs to shut the fuck up, play, and win some games. Not only is this an insult to the fans that go to every game it is a classic example of what is wrong with this team – everything is somebody elses fault. NOW ITS THE SEASON TICKET HOLDERS FAULT!!!!
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Oct 23, 2011 11:11 PM MDT reply actions
its not that hes saying its our fault
he’s saying that we failed big time in showing for this game. It was truly pitiful
forget what forget has to say all of it has been forgettable. And with that good night and adue.
by Dylan L Howard on Oct 23, 2011 11:12 PM MDT reply actions
I'll take the high road and say welcome to ROTB
In the future, use your words like a big boy and express your viewpoints.
by cardinalbrown on Oct 23, 2011 11:32 PM MDT up reply actions
In the end
I cheer for the Cardinals because they’re the hometown team, and I’ll always stay loyal. But the fans owe nothing. Guess who paid for the majority of the $500 million fee it took to build University of Phoenix Stadium? The fans, which means the fans are entitled to a good team. The players shouldn’t complain about the crowd. Maybe if they played good, people would come. They need to understand that not everyone has millions of Dollars like them, and that people like to watch teams that actually have a chance to go somewhere. And no one goes to watch a game just for the sake of watching good football. You go to watch your team win. It doesn’t matter how close and entertaining it is, if your team isn’t winning, then it’s not worth watching.
I watched all of last season, I’m going to watch all of this season, and I’ll most probably end up watching every other season after that. But everyday fans deserve NO blame for the team’s losses. It’s on the players and Coaches 100%.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
by Skii on Oct 23, 2011 11:43 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Agree with every word of the last paragraph
Disagree that if the team isn’t winning, then it’s not worth watching. They are still our team. Got to stick with them through thick and thin
by cardinalbrown on Oct 23, 2011 11:55 PM MDT up reply actions
I think I worded that wrong
They’re still definitely worth watching, and I’m going to watch them no matter what. But the fans shouldn’t be blamed for being unenthusiastic about paying money to come to the games, because in the end, we want to watch a winning team. The players should realize that if they expect to draw large crowds, they need to win. Not every fan is a hardcore fan, and this is true for any sport in the world. To draw the less-hardcore fans, you need to win.
It all comes down to the players. Us hardcore fans will always come back, but for the less-hardcore fans, they want to see results before they come.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
The Seahawks arent great this year.
But they still have the loudest stadium. That is a factor that came into play when they beat us. Its another advantage we could have. Honestly, we need every one we can get. Yes, you could say this player or that player sucks but so do we. I hate hearing cheers when the visiting team makes a play. And it as embarrasing as our record. But, its just going to take a while to develop, just like the team. We cant make the team change every year or we will never turn into a good team. We need a good plan/system and as long as we make one step in the right direction no matter how small we will get there eventually.
Insert epic quote here: "I got nothin'"
This is a classic case of a team member getting tired of negative attention. It is great that Hamza was challenging the fans, even though he is a reserve. This shows he has true spirit for the game, and players.
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