Defending Kevin Kolb: It Will Take Time
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It has been a week sine I posted an article defending Ken Whisenhunt. Showing that he has drafted pretty good for this organization to try to bring in talent. I wanted to compare his five drafts to the previous five drafts of the Cardinals, but I figured 2600 words was long enough. Now I am going to do something just as crazy defend Kevin Kolb. How? Well it starts with his attacks the major ones are; "How can is playing this bad when there are rookies playing their first season at a decent level?", "How can he be in his fifth year and not know his foot work?" and "Why can't he get on the same page as his offense when (insert name here) can?". This post will analyze they play of other Free Agent QBs (explained later) and rookie QBs as well as the main topic of this post Kevin Kolb.
I will begin with the rookie QBs. It has been complained many times that rookies like Andy Dalton and Cam Newton are having "better" seasons then Kevin Kolb. Many fan think this is the ridiculous but is it true?
Andy Dalton currently has a 84.3 quarterback rating, he has thrown 189 passes completing 118 for a 62.4 completion percentage. He has thrown for 1311 yards, 7 TDs and 5 Ints. The most telling stat is he has 6.9 yards per attempt and has been sacked only 10 times.
Cam Newton currently has a 82.8 quarterback ratings, he has thrown 252 passes and completed 152 of them for a 60.3 completion percentage. He has thrown for 2103 yards, 8 TDs and 9 Ints. Again a telling statisitc is th eyards per attempt at 8.3 and sacks which is 14.
So why the relative "success" in this severely condensed off-season. Well the answer is that rookies had little time to learn the offense is a huge fallacy. The rookies were drafted in April 28th of 2011 and were given the playbook on April 29th during a short period when lock out was stayed. That is nearly six months from now making the size of the playbook seem not as big. Not only did these rookies get their playbook but they also built chemistry and timing in their plays with their receivers. Not only that, they were given the privileged of communication with player in the system to improve their game. If that wasn't enough rookies like Cam Newton had half the offense thrown out the books and replaced with the spread option so that the rookies learning curve could be decreased. Sure it was not as good as working with coaches but what did free agents get.
Then lets compare some of the top Free Agent QBs/ or Trade QBs that were signed this mean that they could not practice with the team until August 4th. That is less than half the time that rookies got with their playbook.
Kerry Collins- 65.9 QB rating, 49.0 completion percentage, 4.9 yards per attempt. (Didn't include yards TDs or Ints as he only played in 3 games 2 full games)
Tavaris Jackson- 81.0 QB rating, 157 attempt and 99 completions, for a 63.1 completion percentage. Has 1012 yards 6 TD, 5 Ints and 6.4 yards per attempt. This is despite knowing the offensive system that was installed in Seattle.
Rex Grossman - 66.5 QB rating, 165 attempts and 92 completion, for 55.8 completion percentage. Has 1132 yards, 6 TD, 9 Ints and 6.9 yards per attempt. Once again this is despite being in Washington's same system last year and being in Kyle Shanahan's system for more than 3 years.
Donavan McNabb - 82.9 QB rating,156 attempts and 96 completions, for 60.3 completion percentage. He has 1026 yards, 4 TDs, 2 Ints and 6.6 yards per attempt. Once again this is despite being familiar with the west coast offensive system Minnesota runs
Alex Smith - 95.2 QB rating, 158 attempts and 100 completions, for a 63.3 completion percentage. He has 1092 yards, 8 TD, 2 Ints and 6.9 yards per attempt. He has chemistry with his wideouts, a good O-line and a running game but this is a good improvement.
Matt Hasselbeck - 87.2 Qb rating, 211 attempts and 131 completions, for 62.1 completion percentage. He has 1518 yards, 10 TDs, 6 Ints and 7.2 yards per attempt. Good number for shortened time. Why? Well his O-line is 100times better than it was in Seattle, his WR were prior to injury 100 times better than Seattles and he had a RB who ran for 2000 yards to years ago.
So now that I have listed some of the QB in similar position as Kevin Kolb here are Kevin Kolbs number.
Kevin Kolb - 78.8 QB rating, 206 attempts 119 completions for 57.8 completion percentage. He has 1558 yards, 7 TDs, 7 Ints and 7.5 yards per attempt.
Lets see Kolb has thrown for more yard than every one of these QBs but Cam Newton and he has a much greater yards per attempt value. Not only this but he has been sacked more than anyone of these QBs. Why? Well not all of that is on him. Looking back against the Steelers there were to plays that exemplified the Cards offensive struggles. On the first drive the Steelers sent only four. Bridges took Ziggy Hood, Sedlein and Hadnot took McCledon, Daryl Colledge took no one as Levi Brow took Brett Keisel. No one block Lawrence Timmons on the left side of the line. This should have been a simple pick up but wasn't. Kolb wanted to go to a wide open Doucet in the flat but couldn't be cause of Timmons so went to Housler. It was deflected and intercepted. The second was the safety play. The defense sent 5 the o-line had 5 to block easy pick up. Once again the guard ad center double teamed the nose tackle. the LT was then forced to take the DE and no one block Lamarr Woodley. Again a WR was open in the middle but Kolb had less than 3 seconds on the play.
Kolb may be playing under level but the reason is because he has only been playing in the offense since August 4th. By now he now's the plays but he doesn't have the muscle memory for his drops. Coming from a completely different system that was keen on timing, he tend to revert back to those drop mechanics. This is why an off-season was needed because it would allow him to get reps in the offense and build that muscle memory. Whisenhunts' vertical offense is far different from the "West Coast" of the Eagles. Even the rookies got to work on the offensive drops,a d chemistry with player but the Free Agents didn't know where they were going to be so could't. It is going to take time to get the drops down without thinking about them. Whether he takes a three step drop with a hitch, or a no hitch can be a huge factor in timing which is crucial to QB play. It is this along with chemistry that will take time to learn. However he will not get better if the O-line can't pick up a simple four man rush or a 5 man blitz. I will say it again Kolb has played in six games and in the Steelers game I notice major improvement with pocket awareness and footwork. If by week 11 he is not noticeably improved than you can start talking about bad Free Agent acquisition.
I will state again Kevin Kolb will never be an elite QB, but I do believe he can be an above average QB (think Matt Schaub) and that is what the Cardinals need. He will need to work on accuracy issues but most of these are tied to his footwork. The Cardinals got him as a future plan knowing that the preset will be rough. I predicted this team as a six to nine win team. They have more holes then other teams with Free Agent QBs and more then I think they estimated. They have inconsistent run game unlike the 49ers, Titans and even the Bengals. They have an worst defense because of front seven issues then 49ers, Titans and even the Bengals. It is because of these reason and replacing a future Hall of Fame QB in Kurt Warner that Kolb has the pressure on him. Some of you think I may be making excuses but know that Kolb isn't making any he knows where he needs to improve and has been slowly improving week by week. Kolb will play better but time will tell if that will be enough to get the Cards wins or will he need a complete team effort. I vote the latter.
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Great post
Here is something else that Kolb said about the footwork.
According to Arizona Cardinals quarterback Kevin Kolb, getting his footwork accustomed to the Cards’ offense has been a very delicate act.
“It’s a fine line you’ve gotta walk and I’m trying to walk it as fine as I can,” Kolb said Wednesday.
Apparently, Kolb is used to a standard seven-step drop, hitting his back foot and tossing the ball. But that only works in a team that allows for a quarterback to be consistently in the same spot, like the Eagles, and not the Cardinals, who have encouraged their QBs to be creative, mobile and think on the fly, especially after the Kurt Warner era.
“Here, it could be a three-step, five-step or seven-step [drop] on any given play, depending on the look we get,” said Kolb.
The different drop patterns stem from the Kolb looking to set his feet in preparation to throw to a certain route, which the Cardinals tend to vary. It may seem a simple change, but Kolb said he has been dealing with it since he’s gotten here.
“It’s nothing new, it’s just a matter of doing that when the bullets are flying and making sure those bullets don’t affect you and getting out when you have to and staying in when you have to,” said Kolb.
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Kolb is the guy that was brought to the dance.
The Cards will take the time to teach him the steps and not expect a Fred Astair performance for a couple of seasons. The big question is, are the dance instructors up to the challenge. We shall see in the 2013 season wheather he brings his team to compete or not. He should be comfortable enough by that time to take control.
By the way, with the Titans Chris Johnson isn't making an impact at all this season
He is averaging less than 3 yards per carry right now. They have a pretty bad ground game right now.
I think they run a West Coast Offense like what he ran at Seattle though, so that probably helps.
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I know
But you can’t tell me that for the first six weeks of the season teams were not focused on stopping him and preventing him form making a big play. That extra emphasis on Johnso does nothing but help Hasselbeck. However I think the Titans were stupid throwing the money at CJ cause now he lacks motivation.
They should just tell him that if he doesn't shape up the contract is getting ripped up and he is going back to his old one
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My biggest concern with Kolb thus far is that I am not seeing improvement
as the season progresses, in fact the opposite appears to be true although the Pittsburgh game was an improvement in YPA and QB rating.
I am willing to give him the entire season to develop and still hope to start seeing consistant improvement, but I am beginning to wonder.
Also have to wonder why the Cards FO did not make the deal for Kolb before the lockout to give him access to the playbook and to fitz etc. – but that is another story and definitely not Kolb’s fault.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Oct 27, 2011 12:55 PM MDT reply actions
A lot of stuff they should have done once done with the regular season
Immediately trading for Kevin Kolb would have helped but what about signing a D coordinator early. I like Ray Horton but if they didn’t want to go with a Steelers or Packers coach they could have interviewed and signed him before the Super Bowl. They really wanted Keith Butler but he won’t leave the Steelers.
Not seeing improvement?
He is sticking in the pocket more going through his progressions better. Looking at the open guys and not forcing it to Fitz when triple covered. The problem is he still doesn’t look comfortable in the pocket and is trying to play to fast. Watch the Stephen-Howling play he about bailed on the pocket cause he thought he was going to be sacked but then saw Larod. On that play he looked so uncomfortable because he wasn’t used to having a clean pocket.
The problem I see is with the offense that is going backwards. Especially the O-line. They missed on blocking players numerous times last weekend on 4 and 5 man blitzes. The fault their is on at least one of these people; Kevin Kolb for not calling the right protection but we won’t know, Lyle Sendlein for calling wrong protection but we won’t know, Levi Brown and Brandon Keith for not picking up the right guy but we won’t know, or Russ Grimm for bad protection scheme but we won’t know. Unless we know the scheme called are in the huddle and can hear both the center and QB protection calls we won’t know whose to blame. We will only be able to see the problem but won’t know how the Cardinals can fix it.
O-line sucks especially the tackles, but this is again something we all knew all off season that was ignored by staff and FO
Since your article was mostly numbers, my point was that I don’t see consistant improvement thus far in the numbers. The numbers from the Pitt game were better – let’s hope that is a trend but otherwise the numbers (YPA or qb rating) were getting worse each game. Hopeful a new trend was started after then bye.
As far as sticking in the pocket or stepping up, ehh, not sure I have really seen much of a difference thus far.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Oct 27, 2011 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions
I think he stuck in the pocket more.
Took some hits for it but he still stuck in there a little better. Think he needs to work on reading the D and making adjustments. But thats the difference between knowledge and wisdom I suppose.
Insert epic quote here: "I got nothin'"
he took hits?
what like 2 or 3?
the thing with our protection is, its good for most of the game. There are only occasional breakdowns. Kolb plays like he’s under pressure the whole game. Idk what his deal is. This line hasn’t got thoroughly dominated by any team’s pass rush, and we’ve been going against some good ones.
Nope
One or two big plays doesn’t mean our line got dominated. Remember that lions/bears prime time game a few weeks ago? Thats what it looks like when an o-line gets dominated.
by forget on Oct 29, 2011 4:54 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah we were trounced all day by those teams
Getting a ton of sacks and destroying our pass protection are two different things.
We were up by two scores in the 4th on WAS
So we didn’t get ‘trounced’ by them. They sacked us 3 times, I don’t remember all of them, but I would bet one of them was kolb’s fault.
In the MIN game, we were down by 28 in the 1st… they were able to pin their ears back and get after the QB for the whole rest of the game. They got like 2 or 3 sacks after the 1st quarter. And again, kolb most likely was responsible for one of them.
by forget on Oct 30, 2011 1:54 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
kolb
thank God some fans with some sense yes its going to take some time.I would not trade him for the rookies who “quote” are having good year. Fans are spoiled expected him to take us to the promise land with a defense really bad last year with the same bad linebackers. Again hoping that the bad ol would step up
blew up just hope Kolb does not get mangeled or gun shy, by time we get a true offensive line
Yeah, it is like everyone thought that he would wind up with 4,000+ yards, 25 TDs and 12 Ints or something like that right away
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Kolb couldn't beat out old man McNabb
nuff said…Big mistake by the FO, just think if we would have used what we paid Kolb to go get Davin Joseph and Harvey Dahl and then let Beanie run wild while Skelton gets better, but apparently like Schofield, John Skelton is extra thick in the skull department, we had one honest Philly fan tell us how over-hyped Kolb was and he has been spot on. This is Kolb’s 5th season isn’t it? He should have his game already adjusted for the NFL. All I have to say is in 2 less games John Skelton has won twice as many as Kevin Kolb, and he did after the season was lost. Nuff said.
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Eff Potential,
It’s time for results.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Oct 27, 2011 11:15 PM MDT up reply actions
and agreed to a big contract,
he could have very well said give me a deal I can live up to, but Nope he took the money, I think Schein nailed it, We have a bandit and his name is Kevin Kolb, his play really has been nothing short of criminal.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Oct 28, 2011 11:35 PM MDT up reply actions
hahahahahahahhahaah!!!
yeah that’s what he should have done. Sorry guys but I’m not as good as you think I am. Please lower my contract amount.
For the future INSOM, if your boss ever offers you a raise, take it. Telling his you don’t deserve it means that he is wrong, and bosses don’t like to be wrong.
by Superfizzogotflow on Oct 29, 2011 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm self employed,
and yes I have turned down projects to big for my company to handle. I won’t put my name on something unless it’s next to perfect.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Oct 29, 2011 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions
maybe your company could take the work....
If you wern’t such a dumb ass all the time… Boo hoo kolb… what a waste…. nfl qb’s wont be perfect…. ever… shut up
They traded McNabb because they had faith in Kolb
And then he lost his job to Michael Vick due to injury.
I get that you hate him, but at least don’t make stuff up.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
I don't hate Kolb,
I can’t stand the fact that the FO was dumb enough to trade away our biggest defensive playmaker and a 2nd round pick for a guy who has proven he is no better than a QB we already had on the roster. Maybe Kolb looks at this site, if so I hope he silences this critic, but chances are it will never happen.
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Who's better?
Skelton? Don’t kid yourself.
DRC was a playmaker in some yards but for all the plays he made he gave up more.
The trade doesn’t bother me to this day.
by Jesse Reynolds on Oct 28, 2011 12:54 AM MDT up reply actions
DRC not good?
what???? geez haters gonna hate i suppose
Did I say those words?
I didn’t say DRC wasn’t good, you did.
I just said DRC could be a liability as much or more than he could be a playmaker. Check his stats, should be proof enough.
by Jesse Reynolds on Oct 28, 2011 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Saying he was a liability
Kinda implies that you believe he is not good
by forget on Oct 28, 2011 11:11 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I think he was a liability the same way Favre tended to be a liability
Both are agreed to be good players but take some chances that leave you scratching your head. Having a soft spot for the packers because of my dad I can tell u i loved favre but man he made me pull my hair out. Its nice to have a more consistent talent, lets hope PP, Toler and Jefferson become the next great CB group, coz they sure have the potential. (says an eternal cards homer)
Skelton has won more than Kolb
and in the end an ugly win is still better than an exciting loss, and so what if DRC gambled, if we still had him it may have been the first time ever or in a long long time, that our most talented position group was DB.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Oct 28, 2011 7:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Kolb needs a ground game
Before Kolb can grow Whiz must establish a rushing attack as the identity of the Cardinals offense. This will soften up defenses and allow this young QB to have confidence that his team can win with or without a great passing game. (See: SF 49ers)
As it is, the 2011 Cardinals offense has no Identity other than: “Weak passing game and weak ground game”.
Kolb also would benefit from piece of mind knowing that the Cards had a defense that boasted of LBs and Safetys that did their job. The current LBs and Safetys do little more than preen for the cameras at pre-game coverage. When the whistle blows so do they. If Kolb sets up a score the secondary trumps it by losing their assignments.
Post Cards/Ravens
First Half:
Kolb was effective and productive when the Cardinals went to the ground game. The score and TOP both favored the Cards. 24-6
Second Half:
Kolb was ineffective as a passing QB when the ground game was abandoned. The DBs were also ineffective as the Ravens exposed the Cardinals soft underbelly and scored 24 points by tossing the ball into the middle time and time again. Final 27-30.
The DBs lost their assignments and the game yet again. Thanks coach.
I read from this...
that the running game helps mitigate the poor OL play. Makes sense. When there is no ground game and the OL play if still horrible, I would run like Kolb too.
We are expecting Kolb to hang in the pocket and throw when he knows is going to get crushed. Kurt Warner looked to bail too when the Rams OL play got really poor.
Do we even understand how hard these guys get hit? If we did, we would be looking to bail too. The OL line has to establish trust with the QB…. FIRST.
Not the other way around. Otherwise, that’s just a recipe for injury and disaster. Look at Warner’s last play against the Saints as proof of how hard QB’s get hit.
Our Oline
is nothing but run blockers, which is another reason why it is baffling that we try to pass so much.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 1, 2011 11:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Kolb needs to get his act together
The coaches can only do so much before the responsibility begins to fall on the shoulders of the players themselves.
I do understand the difficulty of switching your steps around from 7 all the time to 3,5, and 7. It can lead to rushed footwork, but the scheme can be very effective if utilized correctly.
I have confidence he will improve more every game. Other than bailing too early most plays, I thought he played relatively well in the Steelers game with just a few big gaffs that became much more prominent due to the loss.
by Jesse Reynolds on Oct 28, 2011 10:35 AM MDT reply actions
I just don't see him being good at all
What has he shown? How can you guys say he has potential based in his performance with the cardinals? He’s thrown a couple of nice deep balls, that’s it. Besides those plays, he’s been horrible in every aspect of the game. He misses open guys, he bails from the pocket too early, and he holds on to the ball too long.
by forget on Oct 28, 2011 11:18 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
What do other players have to do
With kolb holding on to the ball too long and being inaccurate? He is the biggest reason why we have only won 1 game.
by forget on Oct 28, 2011 12:53 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree 100%
Kolbs issues are being pushed to the forfront by the loses. He asnt played awesome but we averaging just shy of 20 points a game. The D deserves the fans ire more so than Kolb. We need big plays which we aren’t getting. No TO’s, big stops, etc
by Jesse Reynolds on Oct 28, 2011 3:54 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
It's a matter of playing time,
much like last season. Kolb hits Housler in back to back games, it’s another set of downs at the least.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Oct 28, 2011 7:51 PM MDT up reply actions
kolb needs to make plays!
we knew this defense wasn’t going to be good, and they have lived up to that billing. However they have kept us in a lot of games. Kolb needed to put teams away when he had the chance, and he failed to do so.
Its not that he’s struggling, its that it seems like he can’t get better. He just seems horribly inept.
Thank you,
you can’t coach someone’s fear of getting crushed by a defender. They are either afraid of it like Kolb or they deal with it like successful QB’s
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Oct 29, 2011 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions
No problem.
He’s got a couple of years to figure out if this is really what he wants to do as a career. Remember these are the new and patient Arizona Cardinals. 2015 is a long way off.
Missing the same TE
that is wide open on a seam route and ready to run it in for 6 is all on Kolb.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Oct 28, 2011 7:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Here is something else to add on
Matt Schaub’s career with the Texans. Obviously Kolb had more experience before the trade, but look at 2007 and 2008 for Schaub before he broke out in 09. It takes time.
Season Team Passing Rushing Fumbles
G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost
2011 Houston Texans 7 7 137 224 61.2 1,893 8.5 12 5 13 68 96.8 10 6 0.6 0 2 0
2010 Houston Texans 16 16 365 574 63.6 4,370 7.6 24 12 32 226 92.0 22 28 1.3 0 9 3
2009 Houston Texans 16 16 396 583 67.9 4,770 8.2 29 15 25 149 98.6 48 57 1.2 0 3 2
2008 Houston Texans 11 11 251 380 66.1 3,043 8.0 15 10 23 149 92.7 31 68 2.2 2 10 4
2007 Houston Texans 11 11 192 289 66.4 2,241 7.8 9 9 16 126 87.2 17 52 3.1 0 7 3
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Joe, don't bring in statistics.
That just shows us that Kolb isn’t doomed to be horrible and these guys don’t want to see that.
They don’t want to see that statistics clearly show us that a QB doesn’t go to a completely new team and have a pro bowl season in the same year.
Kolb has to be better than all these guys. Hell, Rodgers was waiting behind Favre for years and learning the offensive scheme and it took HIM a full season before he started to really perform. But not with Kolb, he has to be great now….with half of an offseason under his belt.
by Superfizzogotflow on Oct 29, 2011 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions
28 TDs and 13 INTS
his first full year…haha thats pretty good.
its not about his stats, its how he looks out there.
Please!
Cardinals fans have already acknowledged that this is nothing more than a season for the Arizona franchise to position themselves to improve sometime in the future. Win now? Thats just rediculous!
Retraction: "Cardinals fans" is too broad a brush.
I should have said “Cardinals apologists” or “Whiz fans” and not infer that all Cardinals fans are accepting the current lack of competition from the 2011 team.
You failed to mention the teams record!
by lifelongcardfan on Oct 30, 2011 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Best season was 9-7 in 2009
Other than that, under or at .500 for the rest of those seasons besides this one where it looks like the Texans will make the playoffs
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Thank You
That is why I mentioned Schuab. I don’t think Kevin Kolb is going to ever be Tom Brady, or Kurt Warer bu the can be a Schaub and that is good enough for this team to win games with an average defense.
Only problem being like Schaub
is that he cracks under pressure, although he’s getting better about it.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 1, 2011 11:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Kolb was a win now tradde and he not now winning now. Trade was a bust if we are waiting 3 to 4 year for him to come along. Kolb has shown me nothing that makes me say this guy can be a good qb that belong in the NFL.
by McCollum, Travis on Oct 28, 2011 10:43 PM MDT reply actions
He has had no time to learn the new style of offense and practice with his guys.
As a professional football analyst, you of all people should know how much football is a game of timing and familiarity.
by Superfizzogotflow on Oct 29, 2011 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions
The Kolb trade is the same thing a the Carson Palmer trade. We believed we could win this year with him not 3 or 4 years later.
by McCollum, Travis on Oct 29, 2011 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions
nobody said 3 or 4 years later
We want to see him handle everything well starting next season which is when he should have plenty of chemistry and an almost complete understanding of the offense.
by CanadianCard on Oct 29, 2011 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions
Nothing Kolb has done has shown me he will be better anytime soon.
by McCollum, Travis on Oct 29, 2011 8:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Look how that is working out for us....
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 1, 2011 11:38 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah what Steel34D said
“Kolb was a keep Fitz here trade, not a win now trade”
Look at how that’s worked out for us:
Fitz signed a long term contract
We aren’t winning right now.
I’d say that’s a nail hit on the head.
We all bleed Cardinal Red, but most of us don't recognize it!
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Thank you,
Kolb was a total win now trade, if we’re waiting for someone to come along Skelton has way more potential.
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in what world
has Skelton shown anything to suggest he is the better long term prospect other than being taller and having a strong arm?
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No pro bowl Qb's
ever get traded. Drew Brees, but I don’t think he was traded to New Orleans.
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Saints and Dolphins gave him an offer, Saints had the best one.
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[I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
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by JoeCB1991 on Oct 29, 2011 7:52 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
i guess we probably should have drafted one yet.
I guess the coaching staff would rather have a qb groomed by reid than get one of their own. Says a lot about their trust in their coaching skills. Either way, the whizzard needs to go. Instead of magically doing everything right, he’s all of the sudden just whizzing all over his coaching outfit.
As a note, I don’t think we could have/should have passed on peterson in the first round, but several quality options were still on the board for our second pick.
by Superfizzogotflow on Oct 30, 2011 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions
This statement is a lie
Joe Montana was traded to KC in 1993 and made the Pro Bowl in 1993.
Steve Young was traded form Tampa Bay and made plenty of Pro Bowls
Sonny Jurgenson traded in 1964 made multiple Pro Bowls in ’64 and beyond
Fran Tarkenton traded to Giants in 1967 made Pro Bowls form ’67 to ’70 then traded back the Vikes and made Pro Bowl in ’74
Brett Favre traded to Packer in ’92 made Pro Bowl in ’92 and 10 other times
Check yourself before you regurgitate human feces all over your keyboard and on this post.
I loved Sonny Jurgenson!
He always looked like somebodys wierd old uncle who accidently wandered out to the football field after a night of heavy drinking and the uniform was the only clothes he could find.
Somehow, he made things happen.
May I suggest a video on Sonny Jurgensen, If you love NFL QB's.
Search:
NFL Videos: Did you ever see Sonny play?
Enjoy!
Great Points
but this is a much different league from 93’
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 1, 2011 11:39 PM MDT up reply actions
See my next post
much more current references.
Huge fan of the Steelers. (that includes "Steelers West")
"If I could start my life over again, I would be a professional football player and you better damn well believe a Pittsburgh Steeler!"- Jack Lambert
Where does the blame lies?
As with everyone else, I was excited for the Birds to get a decent QB, but in the back of mind, I knew we still needed help with the OL. We are not the the Skins in the days of the hogs. Drafting overweight monsters that can’t get in anybody’s way is old school. The game has evolved with speed. Our OL allow defenses to run around them twice before slamming the QB to the ground. If we have to be stuck with the big fellas, take the snap and fall forward. The QB is not the problem. without an effective OL, Mike Vick couldn’t even help us. He would get tired of running for his life on every play. And we’ll never be the Steelers on D. The Cards need their own identity and I would start with the OL.
I can’t imagine what’s going on in practice when, the offense can’t stay on the field and the defense can’t get off of it.
I actually have some blame for Whiz
He keeps trying to fit square pegs in round holes, i.e DA in a spread offence. The case with kolb and all other QBs since whiz has been here is I believe he tries to throw out the sink at apposing teams without considering his QB doesn’t have a complete grasp of our offense. The rookies are playing better bc the playbook got slashed a ton as a reaction to the short offseason and it has steadily grown. Kolb has been over his head with an especially hard playbook, no wonder his head is swimming
No defending Kolb, you guys got ripped off he is not as good as advertised
Kolb is what he is, a guy who had a couple of good games in the past and the Eagles hyped up, who in truth had about the same numbers as Matt Lienart had when Cards, Management let him go. Look at the bright side, with Larry as one of your Wideouts he will at least have his moments.
by Late for Dinner on Oct 31, 2011 2:39 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 1, 2011 11:40 PM MDT up reply actions
I think I get it!
The Cards will practice the ground game in the first quarter.
The second quarter will be passing and rushing.
The third quarter will be mostly QB scrambles and DBs can take a break.
In the fourth quarter the DBs can learn by watching when they are on the field, but the entire final quarter of practice will be a tribute to Kurt Warner.
by AZ retiree on Oct 31, 2011 5:12 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
So
Hes been sacked more but is still playing better. Even if its only a little better. Still better.
Insert epic quote here: "I got nothin'"
Playing better with fewer weapons
No Tim Hightower, No Steve Breaston can make a huge difference. Hightower was an excellent pass blocking RB and receiving RB. Breaston was a quick big play guy.
Huge fan of the Steelers. (that includes "Steelers West")
"If I could start my life over again, I would be a professional football player and you better damn well believe a Pittsburgh Steeler!"- Jack Lambert
Defending Kolb is a fool's paradise.
But have fun with it.
He is arguably the worst QB in recent NFL history.
God Damn you, Andy Reid.
Four Words
Tarvais Jackson
Ryan Leaf
Huge fan of the Steelers. (that includes "Steelers West")
"If I could start my life over again, I would be a professional football player and you better damn well believe a Pittsburgh Steeler!"- Jack Lambert
More Words
Kyle Boller,
Rex Grossman
Tim Tebow
Huge fan of the Steelers. (that includes "Steelers West")
"If I could start my life over again, I would be a professional football player and you better damn well believe a Pittsburgh Steeler!"- Jack Lambert
More words
JaMarcus Russell
Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan
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[I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
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Acttually meant to type Jamarcus Russel
but for some reason Typed T. Jack. Jackson bad but not worst QB ever bad
Huge fan of the Steelers. (that includes "Steelers West")
"If I could start my life over again, I would be a professional football player and you better damn well believe a Pittsburgh Steeler!"- Jack Lambert
Kolb will be a good NFL QB.
He needs to mature and take control like all successful QBs. When Kolb begins to call his own plays he will make the doubters eat their words. Whiz may not like it, but that is what the team needs, a QB who knows what he wants to do and how he wants to attack. The plays called from the sidelines should be viewed as suggestions.

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