Excuses, Excuses, Excuses...
by Txcardsfan on Oct 7, 2011 7:08 AM MDT
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PrintIs it just me or does it seem like every time coach Whisenhunt talks to the media all he does is cover for player’s poor play. I don’t know about you but for me I’m done with the excuses. I am behind Coach Whisenhunt 100% and even think this year is a rebuilding year and don’t think we should expect more than 5 to 7 wins this year. With all the roster/coaching changes and no off season. I think it’s only fair to give that to the organization, provided next year has a big turnaround once the team gels.
But I have to admit the excuses are getting really old! There can be no player accountability and no improvement when the coach is always covering or making excuses for the underachieving players. Now I understand if the coach doesn’t want to publicly blast his players and that’s fine but don’t give the excuse. Just give a blanket answer and say we are working it in the locker room. But to a point if they are not responding either come out and say Porter can’t get it done anymore and Schofield doesn’t get the defense or cut someone.
The coach even said the same thing happened at outside linebacker last year and it is happening again this year. That means they knew it was a problem and have done nothing to fix it, going on two years now. You can’t rebuild and it not a rebuilding season when you cover up problems and don’t fix them. I thought after the 5-11 season the "good will" for veteran players with past success was gone but from the outside looking in it doesn’t appear that way.
Tell me what it says to the rest of the roster when Porter is on the waiver wire after not improving over two seasons? It shows accountability. Then have Schofield/Acho plus a roster add fight for the spot or move Bradley over there (his not doing anything in the middle right now). But with continued excuses and "veteran days off" there is no accountability and nothing in the back of the players mid telling them to step up or they will lose their job.
I can take losing close games if the team is improving and you can see a competitive roster from the practice squad all the way to the starters. But when the clearly more talented player is being held out for someone who needs the coaches to "managing him during the week and managing his reps on game day". It’s hard to take and makes me think this coaching staff can't or won't make the tough decisions turn the team into a winner. That would lead me to believe a change needs to be made at the top.
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I think if there is one thing that you have to do as a coach is defend your players publicly. I think accountability is being had. Porter is playing less than a year ago. I think it is a case in which even a poor Joey Porter is still overall better than the other guys because he understand the defense. He might not be able to make the same plays, but he will put himself in better position more often than the younger guys.
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by Jess Root on Oct 7, 2011 8:29 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
I’m not sure what the OP has a problem with. Whiz is basically acknowledging Porter’s sub-par play when he says that Porter is playing too much and needs to be more situational. But, as Jess says, it may be that Porter is still the best option at this point, and if that’s the case, it’s not Porter’s fault for poor play (no way you can assume he’s giving any less than 100% of what he has), it’s Schofield’s fault for not learning/performing well enough to take the job from even a sub-par Porter.
by CardsFan1976 on Oct 7, 2011 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions
The problem is playing Porter when he is gassed in the fourth quarter with the game on the line and he is clearing getting beat and generating no pass rush. Then making excuses for him Thursday the week after the game was lost by the underachieving defense in the 4th quarter for the 3rd straight game. For this to be going on for the 2nd year in a row with no change is becoming laughable. It doesn’t take knowing much of the play book to rush the passer in the 4th quarter when the other team is in a pass happy hurry up offense. I don’t expect anyone to get blasted in the media, I just am not looking for another excuses for a washed up player or a 2nd year player that can’t learn the play book. I guess to me I can’t understand what is to lose for playing Schofield on a 1-3 team and live with his mistakes and coach him on it afterwards when Porter is clearly ineffective. Overall just frustrated and want the Cardinals to win like everyone else. Hopefully we can get one this week against the Vikes.
porter is playing, because he's the best guy we have.
schofield obviously hasnt show anything, or else he would play!
acho is not good either, so thats why he isnt playing much.
as underwhelming as porter has been this season, he is still our best guy!
and as for your complaining about whiz, he isnt making excuses! he is saying he shouldnt be playing as much, which means whiz thinks there should be another guy taking some plays away from porter, the problem is, schofield and acho arent good enough.
making excuses is saying something like, “oh if we didnt have all of these injuries we would have won” or “that bad call made us lose”. saying that a guy is not being managed properly is not an excuse! cmon man!
im getting the feeling that you guys want this perfect team, who is great at everything, and that does everything YOU want them to do. No team is perfect! especially the cardinals! Whiz has won before, he knows what he’s doing! stop doubting him! the only thing you can do as a fan is hope that your team plays hard(the cardinals do).
by forget on Oct 7, 2011 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
If the Coach says the player is not playing well because he is not being managed properly and that is not an excuse for his poor play than what is it?
Also I’m not looking for a perfect team but a team that’s not 1-3 and a Defense that doesn’t blow every 4th quarter lead it’s given would be nice.
its not, hes admitting that he isnt playing well
He’s hinting that someone else should take some reps away….but that someone is not on the roster.
by forget on Oct 7, 2011 5:40 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Someone else should be taking those reps.
That someone is Schofield. The fact that he is not getting on the field is disturbing. He ought to be able to come in at least as a situational pass rusher. I don’t think it’s a matter of Schofield “not showing anything”. Not from a physical standpoint. Seems more an issue of him not being able to grasp it all mentally.
I also don’t see Whisenhunt’s comment as making excuses for either player. Just the opposite, he’s admitting failings in both of these players.
I guess to me I can’t understand why Schofield is not in on every 3rd down known passing down being told to go crush the QB. If as everyone has said Whisenhunt knows Porter can’t rush the passer and needs to be managed. To me that would be managing him. I can’t believe it takes knowing the play book that in-depth to line up where you’re told and rush the passer on a known passing 3rd down.
Schofield gave us
2 sacks in 2 games last year, I agree with Tx, when you know they’re passing put the fresh young possibly “dumb” OLB in there and tell him go get some sacks
How hard is it to learn to rush the passer?
Im not the smartest man by any means but it would seem that all you need to do is beat the man across from you. If this D is gonna struggle, I would rater see the youngsters out there struggling rather that the vets who “know” the system.
by Redbird Nation #1 on Oct 7, 2011 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Nice post Tx
I can accept the notion of rebuilding but I’m with you, please knock off the excuses.
As for the number of losses during rebuilding year number 2, I’d say more than 8 is unacceptable. 11 losses is tough in year 1 of rebuilding.
If we are building something I expect to see progress. Don’t claim progress if you are just gathering labor and materials, that is not building, it’s ramping up for a project.
Building is when we can see some progress, in football that translates to more wins.
The notion of rebuilding.
I reject the concept of a “rebuilding year” explicitely. “Rebuilding” is just code for “this team sucks”. There should only be the concept of building a team, which is a constant, neverending process. NFL rosters turnover at a rapid rate. Those thinking that the turnover on this team from the Superbowl year to now is remotely unique are deluding themselves. Teams that are consistantly good year to year, teams that create winning dynasties, these are teams that have proven that they know how to build. Teams that churn through coaching staffs never create the stability necessary.
I don’t expect the Cardinals to dominate or even be consistantly good this year. I do expect them to be in the mix to win the division. This season does have the feel of ramping up with the shortened off season, new quarterback, new defensive coordinator etc. Next season I do expect a winning product.
by hadrarius on Oct 7, 2011 11:55 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree in this league you must replace talent year in and year out through the draft and a few FA signings to stay relevant as a team. I think missing on 2nd and 3rd round draft picks along with letting so many players walk caught up on the team. I my mind the 2nd through 5th rounds is where you build a team. Going back to 2007, that 4 years the average rookie contact is 3 to 4 years so that mean they could still be on the team for a rookie price or a RFA tender(meaning they would cost a lot or be hard to keep). The team has missed on Cody Brown, Rashad Johnson, Herman Johnson, Kenny Iwebema, Levi Brown, Alan Branch, and Buster Davis. That is a lot of talent to miss on in constant building league. But I will say there is finally enough talent back on the roster that the team can as you say build I say rebuild and look to do something next year once they add at least one tackle, at least one pass rusher, and safety help.
That's not too long of a list
Lots of teams in the leagues miss on talent. Even the good ones.
by Jesse Reynolds on Oct 9, 2011 12:18 AM MDT up reply actions
How can anyone think that the oldest roster in the league is rebuilding?
Whiz has done a good job packing the roster with veterans in an attempt to keep the team competitive while letting the youngin’s learn their responsibilities. Some of those veterans just aren’t or didn’t work out so well.
it is interesting to me that
you say you are in full (100%) support of whiz, yet throughout the article all you did was question his decision making and the way he handles things. I used to be a big time whiz supporter and I really like the guy. I like his demeanor and the tone he sets with the team, I just do not think is all that good at managing a game. he really needs to get a good Offensive coordinator. He likes playcalling, i get it, but I sick of us losing winnable games so whiz can scratch his itch to call plays. If we do not come out runnning the ba…. sorry, sorry, I am starting to rant. it might be time for a fanpost.
I agree with what you said. Good post. go cards
Are you sure - I am starting to wonder if Whiz is still calling plays
I know they say otherwise, but not sure I beleive it.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Oct 7, 2011 8:22 PM MDT up reply actions
haha
Why would whiz mislead people about that? It makes no sense.
by forget on Oct 7, 2011 9:47 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Either he doesn't want to throw Miller under the bus or he doesn't think Miller has it
The system as I understand it is per Whiz’s explanation is Miller calls the play and sends it to whiz on sideline – whiz then relays play to kolb on field. I know from watching him at home games – whiz is constantly talking into his mic and referenceing his play sheet the entire time the team is on offense. Why would Whiz be doing all the talking and relaying the plays to Kolb if he trusts Miller – Then add the fact that play calling has not been inspiring and I start to wonder if maybe Whiz is vetoing Miller? Something just doesn’t add up here.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Oct 9, 2011 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions
So it doesn't strike you as odd that the Oc send the play to the HC who relays it to the QB
I have never seen that before on any team. anyone can relay the play – but here the HC does??
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Oct 9, 2011 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions
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