Arizona Cardinals/Philadelphia Eagles Postgame Analysis And Quotes
by cdeveau on Nov 13, 2011 6:17 PM MST
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The Arizona Cardinals headed east with a 1 game win streak under their belt to face the Philadelphia Eagles. Kevin Kolb missed the game. John Skelton tossed two interceptions. Beanie Wells averaged 2.7 YDS a carry for 62 YDS total. With those type numbers, most folks would side with the experts, none of which picked the Cards over the Eagles today. And those folks would be wrong as the Cardinals beat their hosts, 21 - 17.
Hit the jump to see what the team had to say after today's victory.
Starting at the top, with head coach Ken Whisenhunt. "We exorcised a lot of demons today."
Indeed you did coach. The east coast travel demon. The non home field advantage demon. But in the process, someone else brought up the other dreaded demon. QB controversy. When asked if John Skelton had made a play for starter time, coach Whisenhunt said he needed to look at video.
The defense was the shining star of today's game. Calais Campbell, who notched his first career interception today, had this to say, "Coach Horton called a good game. It was hard for the Eagles to get into a rhythm."
Indeed it was. The Cardinals held the Eagles to 289 YDS total. Michael Vick tossed 2 INTs. The front 7 harried him all day.
The offense was serviceable, but there were plays they would like back. Once again the coash Whisenhunt sums it up well with this quote. "There was definitely a feeling of missed opportunities. But guys didn't get down."
QB John Skelton is a prime example of this. After throwing 2 INTs, he connected with WR Larry Fitzgerald for 2 TDs that put #11 atop the franchise for most TDs. Another beautiful connection between the two ended with the ball on the 1 YD line.
Larry Fitzgerald had this to say about the play. "John throws me that every day after practice. I just wish I would have kept my feet and gotten into the end zone."
And now from the QB himself, when asked about the two interceptions he threw. "It's just a short memory. When you get down to the nitty-gritty, you have to put it out of your mind."
In thinking about John Skelton's words, they play right into what Lyle Sendlein had to say about the QB. "I'm going to say sturdy."
I'm going to say winner. That's two in two starts. Tune in next week as the Cardinals travel west to face the division leading San Francisco 49ers.
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There shouldnt be
A QB controversy!!!! Skelton has 1.5 years in our system Kolb only .5, the season is lost PLAY Kolb!! He will be good. Cards fans, be patient. Remeber it took Warner a while.
by defense_dad on Nov 13, 2011 6:30 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Kolb apologist,
checking in so soon?
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 13, 2011 6:42 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed
Kolb deserves another chance.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
I'm a fan of John Skelton
and if he keeps outperforming Kolb down the road, then you have a QB controversy. I liked John Skelton’s performance today because this should light a fire underneath K. Kolb. Because Kolb is a competitor and wants to be a successful starter. That said, before we start up the Skelton bandwagon— 52.4% completion percentage. I think with some rhythm, this improves over time for Skelton. But the fact of the matter is that sub 60% completion performances is not going to make you a consistent winner in the NFL. And Philly was missing two of their best wideouts—- its probably a win for them if they have them.
What I like about Skelton over Kolb is a calmer presence of mind when protections break down. The long term view is still that we need to correct the OL and then see how Kolb performs with time in the system. Kolb has the talent and potential to be good.
BTW, so nice to see what I predicted at the top of the year… Vick crashing back down to earth. Once defenses had film on him, they would scheme him to death. And that is exactly what is happening. Same ole Vick. Nothing had really ever changed.
The Ray Horton D...
BTW, they keep getting better and better, don’t they?
I'm lovin' it
Best defensive effort from the team I have seen in a long time
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Excuse me but look at the first 3 years of Brady and Big Ben...
you will see a lot of similarities to Skelton’s numbers. Oh, and both Brady and Ben won superbowls within 3 years of starting. For get the stats, they only matter if you lose. Brady and Ben always find a way to win even if their stats stink… hmmm. Check it out, you’ll see.
Many other QB's,
cannot make those final drives that are simply amazing despite not being able to do it all game like Brady and Ben can.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 13, 2011 10:27 PM MST up reply actions
Team plays better...
With Skelton in there, and when the rush gets by the blockers (still almost every play) he steps up in the pocket to look for an open man. Kolb runs backwards. At this point I would rather have Skelton. To bad we gave up so much to get, then paid way to much to a guy that really has done nothing ever. I hope Kolb can turn it around, but if he does not I hope the coaches will bench him if the time comes. Skelton could could be the better long term fix. But who knows…
it's ok
if we didn’t sign Kolb we wouldn’t have re-signed FITZ
by hear_seeker on Nov 13, 2011 10:34 PM MST up reply actions
Decision
This is going to be a tough decision, I’m glad I don’t get paid the big bucks to make that decision.
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yep
this is going to be tough on Whiz. Last week we all said give Skelton another game to prove himself, and indeed he has today.
Has he?
He was inconsistent all day. The reason there’s a QB controversy is because of the finish.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
Agree with Skii
His protection was better than Kolb got as well. There may end up being a QB controversy, but not for a full season or 2
That's such BS
Skelton just deals with it better.
by forget on Nov 13, 2011 9:41 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah I don't agree with that
It is the same players that Kolb played with and they have been bad for years. Skelton just handles the pocket much better.
Re-Watch the game
On a lot of plays Skelton didnt have to step up in the pocket and had plenty of time to throw. Dont get me wrong Kolb has some serious issue with stepping up but i do feel the O line played better., and your right they are the same players but playing against a dif D line. Which has been sub-par through out some games and a secondary thats been that way all year. We need to see how Kolb fares against the Rams and the rest of the NFC West for that matter.
Yea then YOU go rewatch and you will notice he didnt have to step up because he was in the shotgun formation
Skelton is simply better then Kolb i know its hard for alot of you guys to admit you are wrong. But your gonna have to take one on the chin and look at the facts.
Saw him against the Seahawks
And he looked (mostly) bad. I just don’t buy that.. The line is what it is, bad. I don’t know how you can’t see that Skelton can create his own pockets or step up and avoid rushers on the outside. Kolb just runs away and wastes the play…..
No it isn't - Whiz and graves both have to stick with Kolb
And frankly Skelton hasn’t done anything special
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Nov 13, 2011 9:51 PM MST up reply actions
Skelton fed Fitz the ball,
and the way Fitz does what he does, starting rehashing memories of the not so distant past. Do I need to say anything else?
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Nothing makes me happier
Then seeing Fitz dominate games like I know he can. Just throw it up to him! He is going to do something amazing! It’s in the mans DNA.
Fitz + Skelton = Box office
If I remember correctly, the Cards paid top dollar for this Fitz guy. Maybe it would be a good money move to keep starting the QB that puts him in the highlight reels?
I know, crazy talk!
What do you expect from a retired old geezer, but Mrs. Retiree mentioned that she hadn’t heard much about Larry this year, and it got me thinking.
Good to see CC give Horton some props
Glad not everyone cough Darnell cough is hating on the scheme we are playing.
Yeah, Dockett needs to be dangled this offseason
I think Carter can fill in quite nicely for him.
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Carter is a nose tackle and should be starting in place of Dan Williams
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He's playing a lot better
Than Dan Williams this year.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
Agreed
When will the coach make the switch do you think? I say MAYBE end of the year but most likely next year. Whiz is a rookie hater.
He's about the same size as Dockett
isnt he?
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 13, 2011 6:51 PM MST up reply actions
He's got 1-2 inches and 10 pounds on dock
by forget on Nov 13, 2011 6:55 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
He's not really a space eater, even though he has the size to be one.
He’s more of an athletic, explosive type of guy. He’s like a poor mans’s dockett.
by forget on Nov 13, 2011 6:54 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Let's keep Dan
And groom Carter to be Dockett’s replacement in 2-3 years
by CanadianCard on Nov 13, 2011 7:02 PM MST up reply actions
Skelton does have a great attitude
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
Please start Kolb next week!
Remember, that’s why you paid him the big bucks (plus the Niners need the bye).
No they don't
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What's up with Feely?
He can’t make chip shots, Cards should have won 27 – 17. I wonder if Rackers is more reliable?
Rackers – 90% FGM
Feely – 70% FGM
Bad decision?
I don't exactly know what happened
He had a holder change this season but continues to struggle so I think it is time for the organization to look elsewhere. The conditions haven’t been bad anywhere so they are on Feely. His kickoffs aren’t amazing either… Notice where they land on the field compared to the opposition.
Feely was great last year
Made me forget all about Rackers and his inability to kick in the clutch. Time for someone new, though.
do we
still have a chance at the playoffs? Anybody know?
If we win 9 straight and the 49ers lose 5 games both teams would be sitting at 10-6 and we go to the playoffs
by McCollum, Travis on Nov 13, 2011 7:57 PM MST up reply actions
We are not going to make the playoffs.
I was an optimist on a 10-6 season…. but now I would be happy to get out of here with an 8-8 record. Amazed at how the Cards are drafting for Andrew Luck two weeks ago with no hope and then we get a few wins and now were thinking playoffs.
Of course, my kudos to hear_seeker…. it does not diminish the fact he is a better fan than I.
If the correct the OL, then next season looks promising, however.
8-8 would be an amazing recovery - I still just don't see it
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Nov 13, 2011 9:53 PM MST up reply actions
How is five out of seven so unimaginable?
I don’t get Cardinals fans.
Me neither
We go from hot to cold and back as fast at the desert from day to night.
Jessesb all grown up
by Jesse Reynolds on Nov 13, 2011 10:21 PM MST up reply actions
Just hard for me to rally
When our record in recent history shows we haven’t been capable of winning streaks of 5 out of 7… I will keep rooting for wins as they come but I am not getting my hopes up. Hey, if anything I can be pleasantly surprised if we pull off the unlikely.
Hey, are you guys up for a can of worms as a snack? You can share.
That kind of thinking loses real world opportunities and sets up defeat for your dreams. This is too sad to even continue to contemplate. America is all about answers and solutions mixed with bold moves.
A word of warning: playing against the SF 49ers will utterly shatter your self asteem and negatively impact your ability to father children.
Whatever you say, bandwagoner
That’s rich, coming from someone who gave up on his local team to root for a coach of a team of a city you’ve probably never lived in.
I never lived in St. Louis but Warner had me too.
Bill Walsh, Joe Montana, Tarkenton’s Vikings, Bradshaw’s Steelers, the list goes on. I ’m a fan of football and good sports stories.
The city of my residence does not alter reality. If a team and franchise are too piss poor at putting out a product worth watching, that’s not my fault.
If a team puts on a show that entertains, they have my attention and maybe my support.
Let's put it this way
If all fans were like you, there wouldn’t be any fans of teams. There would only be fans of the individual coaches and players who win the most.
And you’re the last person to lecture other fans about not having faith in their team, so take your sanctimonious attitude and shove it.
I stand corrected:
Give every kid and team a trophy. They are all winners and we love them all equally.
I feel better.
You just don't get it, do you?
Rooting for any winner without any concept of loyalty is meaningless because there is no integrity behind it. You can pick the Super Bowl winner as your favorite team every year and therefore claim that “your” team won the Super Bowl every year, but it means absolutely nothing. Your kid decides to be a tennis player but constantly loses, so would you root for the kids that beat your kid because s/he is a loser and they are the winners? No, because that would make YOU the loser. Rooting for winners without any loyalty as to whom is something that losers do.
I was talking about YOUR kid
My condolences to them if you have any.
Especially with
three of those games against the Rams, Seahawks, and Browns, with the latter two at home. I could see winning those three and taking two out of SF x2, Dallas (who we’ve owned at UofP), and Cincy (with a rookie QB).
Likely, no. But certainly possible if the D continues to play like they have the last two.
by CardsFan1976 on Nov 13, 2011 11:51 PM MST up reply actions
lol
yeah i really don’t know how the playoff thing in the NFL works yet… been a fan since last year only. So it means even if we finish 2nd to the 49rs and we have a winning record, we do not automatically get in?
by hear_seeker on Nov 13, 2011 10:31 PM MST up reply actions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_playoffs
If you want to read more but basically 6 teams from each conference (AFC and NFC) qualify for the post season by doing one of two things:
Win your division.
Have the next best 2 records in your conference
Right, which is why the 7-9 Seahawks crawled into the playoffs last year
The Wiki can explain why we’ll make it as a wild card team when we finish 10-6 ;)
WE have to win out, but
we have found a winning formula!
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 13, 2011 10:29 PM MST up reply actions
Yep
Have a D that gives up only 10 pts or less a game. A D playing like that will win you a lot of games no matter who’s at QB.
by CardsFan1976 on Nov 13, 2011 11:47 PM MST up reply actions
We already traded DRC.
So we need to give Kolb the chance to earn his way out. Haveing DRC made the Peterson pick better. We showed Matt the door for DA, dont want to do that again.
To be or not to be...
a healthy Kolb will play well and should win at least a couple more games. A healthy Skelton will play well and should win at least a couple more games. So the real questions is where do you want to invest the game time experience? I will say this… if Skelton can start and beat SF then you go with the kid the rest of the season. If the Birds finish with a winning record boot Kolb however you have to and go with Skelton. There is nothing to be gained by playing Kolb if Skelton can win.
and by the way, don't obsess over the stats... they don't matter if you win.
At 23 vs 28 you gain 5 years with Skelton and millions of dollars.
If its just one game it doesn't matter.
But if you’re trying to plan for the future, they certainly do matter.
by forget on Nov 13, 2011 9:45 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Absolutely
Over the long haul the winningest QBs are the ones that put up the best stats. Typically you’ll see every year that virtually every playoff team has a QB in the top half of the league. There are very few exceptions.
by CardsFan1976 on Nov 13, 2011 11:34 PM MST up reply actions
The whole idea is to get deep at every position.
Play Skelton until he falters, then insert Kolb until he falters, then back to Skelton. Winning is the bottom line, both these guys need experience. No need to consider dumping either. Keep both and build a strong QB stable.
You are only right when you look at the age factor...
Key point is Brady and Big Ben. Both won superbowls with seasons that had stats no better than Skelton’s are right now. They had better teams that surrounded them but they knew to never give up and handle the pressure. Their stats only got better after 3 years of starting. Do your homework.
yep
I don’t think anybody in Denver is calling for Orton over Tebow now, regardless of Tim’s ‘bad’ stats
by hear_seeker on Nov 13, 2011 10:38 PM MST up reply actions
When you run it 55 times it is hard to get into a groove
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When you throw the ball like Tebow
It is hard to get into a groove.
by Airwave on Nov 14, 2011 12:23 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I can throw tighter sprials than him
And my arm is worse than Leinart’s when his collarbone was broken.
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Watching the highlights on the news,
that toss to Larry that landed on the one just had a beautiful touch on it.
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It did
I thought he was going to overthrow him (actually this happened a few times) but it just dropped in nicely. He has some nice touch on his intermediate/deep throws it is just the closer passes (at least to me) that he sometimes uses to much power.
Well he did overthrow him a handful of times,
but other times the touch he has is simply amazing, even the one he made to LaSH gave him the perfect chance to catch and run.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 13, 2011 10:56 PM MST up reply actions
NFL.com is actually giving a little credit to us for the win.
It says: "Cards’ fourth-quarter rally stuns Eagles" and "Skelton’s three TD passes help Cards continue Eagles’ slump".
I have learned to go to NFL.com for a lot of my NFL news
Not as much bias there, and the highlights and overall video selection is much better.
Disappointed that the highlight videos made up of the radio calls are gone though
But at least they still have a bunch of the radio call videos in the fantasy section.
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Prey on the bird
Not into kicking a team when they are down. You guys had your superbowl run and now it’s my Niners turn. You guys lost too much on offense and didn’t replace it in my opinion. I also thought Kolb would be better. Have patience with him. Before this season he only had like 7 starts in his career.
Question, I am coming to AZ for the Niners game in Dec. It’s a boys weekend for sure. Any good hot spots you guys can recommend for that weekend? Also a good golf course? We are staying in Scottsdale….
by Bayareafanatic1 on Nov 14, 2011 10:14 AM MST reply actions
Well first let me say
I hate your team and I hope you lose every game from this week on.
Now that we are past that, I can be friendly ;). Just to let you know, UofP stadium is on the other side of town. Leave EARLY if you want to make it in on time.
As for nightlife – clubs, lounges, or bars? My line of work has had me travel to dozens of locations for food, nightlife and entertainment. A quick list
Clubs – The Mint, Smashboxx, Spanish Fly, and maybe the Pussycat Lounge. Bars/lounges would be American Junkie, the Lounge, El Jefe, Martini Ranch, plus whatever gems Yelp has.
Good places to eat are the Daily Dos, Gramaldis, Olive and Ivy, and a ton more. Good eats in Scottsdale. Yelp it again.
Jessesb all grown up
by Jesse Reynolds on Nov 14, 2011 2:39 PM MST up reply actions
TPC Scottsdale is a nice course
As far as things to do, i dont get around Scotttsdale much im closer to Tucson. But there are lots of great bars and restaurants in Scottsdale. You should have no trouble finding stuff to do. And the Cards will beat then Niners haha
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