Why John Skelton Deserves to Start
In this article, I'm going to break down why I believe John Skelton, not Kevin Kolb, should be at quarterback against the San Francisco 49ers, and possibly the rest of the season.
Those of who still have faith in Kevin Kolb should consider a few numbers. The most prominent one is his record as a starter: 1-6. The one victory did not come as a result of an offensive play: Patrick Peterson scored the touchdown to win the game against the Carolina Panthers in Week 1. Week 2 and Week 3 saw the Cardinals lose by 1 and 3 points, respectively. Jay Feely missed two field goals in the week 3 loss to the Seahawks. Perhaps that should have been a win, but it was not. Weeks 4 to 8 saw a four-game streak of Cardinals' opponents scoring more than 30 points each game, some games in which the secondary seemed lost at times. The week 6 bye did not help the team at all. During those games, Kolb turned the ball over six times (two lost fumbles, four interceptions) compared to three touchdown passes. Kolb has been sacked 24 times in 7 games, partly due to his limited mobility and partly due to the offensive line habitually collapsing as it has always done.
To analyze John Skelton's body of work, his 2010 games have to be taken into account. This may be an unfair comparison as he has likely improved as a player since then. Thus, his statistics as a passer in 2010 aren't necessarily an indicator of where he is today; I use them as an indicator for the type of player he is.
Skelton's first start came against the Denver Broncos, then without quarterback Tim Tebow. The Cardinals routed the Broncos 43-13 in a game where Jay Feely kicked 5 field goals. I mention this as an indicator of scoring drives. Turn all those field goals into touchdowns, and instead of 15 points, you have 35. Tack on 20 more points to that game and it's 63-13, Cardinals. Week 15 of 2010 was not so favorable for Skelton as he turned the ball over twice and did not score a touchdown. The Cardinals lost that game 12-19 to the Panthers.
On Christmas Day, Skelton played one of the best games of his career to date- not including the week 10 game against the Eagles, which I'll get to shortly. The defense put the team up 14-0 in the first quarter of that game; by the half, they were up 21-10. Third string quarterback Steven McGee led the Dallas Cowboys on a comeback drive that had an interesting result: Dallas placekicker David Buehler missed an extra point. With 1:41 left on the clock, Skelton led the Cardinals on a game-winning drive of which included a 4th and 15 pass to Larry Fitzgerald for 26 yards. It is safe to say that Skelton won the game for his team that day.
Flash forward to 2011. Week 9 against the St. Louis Rams, Skelton struggles but plays just well enough to allow Patrick Peterson an overtime opportunity to win the game. Skelton took two safeties in the game, yet he threw a crucial fourth-quarter touchdown to Fitzgerald to tie the game up at 13.
Then, the Cardinals travel the East Coast with a long losing streak on the road to an Eagles team which is supposedly hungry for a win. At the beginning of the fourth quarter, the Eagles lead 14-7. Skelton fights back to make it 14-14. The Eagles answer with a field goal to take the lead. Just when all seems lost, Skelton leads a game winning drive which includes a 4th and 2 pass to LaRod Stevens-Howling for 30 yards. The score stood as AJ Jefferson intercepted Michael Vick to end the game.
So, who is the better passer? Certainly, Kolb has not been at fault alone for the games the Cardinals has lost when he has played. All the same, it is impossible to dismiss the starting records of each quarterback.
Kevin Kolb (Cardinals only): 1-6
John Skelton (2010 and 2011): 4-2
Let's break down their performances in the 4th Quarter. Here I am using quarterback rating.
Kevin Kolb (2010 w/Eagles): 46.2
Kevin Kolb (2011 w/Cardinals): 72.0
John Skelton (2010): 89.1
John Skelton (2011): 101.8
To me, those stats are easily the most telling when it comes to which team wins the game. John Skelton is a quarterback who can be relied upon to comeback, convert fourth downs, and carry home the W. Kevin Kolb is a quarterback who is better at managing the game and who excels when his team has the lead and can hand it off a lot. The running game was better when Kolb was under center, though it's unknown how much of that was due to Beanie Wells being healthier at that time.
Despite Kolb being paid a big contract, it is time for Arizona to turn to John Skelton if they want to win the NFC West. Yes, I am being optimistic when I say that, but here is their remaining schedule: @SF, @StL, Dal, SF, Cle, @Cin, Sea.
All of these games look winnable to me. Is it unrealistic to expect the Cards to end the season with a nine-game winning streak? Maybe....but then, it's entirely possible.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Revenge of the Birds' (ROTB) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of ROTB's editors.
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SSS but our offense hasn’t really changed with Skelton or Kolb at QB.
Kolb starting: 20.4 PPG
Skelton starting: 20 PPG
The difference is points allowed by defense
Kolb starting: 26.1 PPG
Skelton starting: 15 PPG
I don't want a blowout, I want to win. I don't care if it's 6 to 3.
by Winter Trabex on Nov 13, 2011 8:07 PM MST up reply actions
So why don't we try Kolb
So he can play with this improved Defense? We might as well find out if it was Skelton or the Defense that won the games. Maybe Kolb can perform even better than Skelton with this Defense.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
Wins and Losses
are why we need to let Kolb ride the bench next week, it’s a critical division game and Skelton HAS proven he can handle pressure than Kolb.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 13, 2011 9:33 PM MST up reply actions
Am I the only one
Who notices that Skleton has less 3 and outs which allow the defense to not be on the field all game?
by billydacardsfan on Nov 14, 2011 9:17 AM MST up reply actions
And also... The Skelton game last week wasn't an offensive win then. It was PP's win. If the Carolina game wasn't an offensive win.
I like Skelton but lets see what Kolb can do with the drastically improved Defense.
If he falters we’ll know that Skelton is something special. If he doesn’t then we’ll know that it was the defenses (and Feelys) fault for most of our losses
But then, if Whisenhunt starts Kolb after Skelton wins two games, and Kolb loses...what then? I think the safe move is to go with the QB who is winning games.
by Winter Trabex on Nov 13, 2011 8:26 PM MST up reply actions
That's why Kolb should start next week. He now has a drastically improved D and if he can win the game in SF then he remains the starter. If not then we bench him for Skelton
We have to give Kolb more than 1 week to prove himself after coming back from injury
Let’s not forget SF is the 2nd best in the NFC and we’ve had a tough time against them the last few years. Also it’s on the road, which thanks to the W today we no longer have a double digit road losing streak. The measuring stick should be against the Rams and then through the rest of the year
by cardinalbrown on Nov 13, 2011 8:51 PM MST up reply actions
Sorry I didn't mean to say if he wins.
If he’s able to be consistent and produce yardage and points for us then we keep him starting. But if he throws 3 picks 0-1 TD’s and cant move the ball then we start Skelton for the remainder of the year.
We;re all but mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. We'd have to win the rest of our games and even then it's still slim.
Exactly, and none of our current quarterbacks can pull that off.
I know, since no matter who starts next week, some fans will be upset, let’s start Bartel, that way everyone will be.
by crisco219 on Nov 13, 2011 8:33 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
How much of the defense's play is impacted by Arizona holding the ball longer. Did Skelton sustain the drives longer than Kolb?
by Winter Trabex on Nov 13, 2011 8:46 PM MST up reply actions
We've had 1 punt lesser than Kolb had in his first 3 games. It's been 2 games from Skelton but that says something about our D.
The Eagles were on the Field for 29 minutes and our Offense was there 31. That’s a 2 minute difference but still.
Our head coach is a huge Kolb fan,
no sense in posting that link everywhere.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 13, 2011 9:34 PM MST up reply actions
I've posted it here, and 1 other place.
Hardly “everywhere”.
In the last two games
The Defense has given up 10 less points on average than in the games with Kolb. That’s already four more wins for Kolb if you think about it (Four of his losses were by 4 points or less).
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
You know what'll end all this arguing?
Richard Bartel for QB!
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
I mentioned that on another post.
Since either way, we’ll have people being upset, just start Bartel.
Screw it, Jay Feely for QB!
It’ll shock everyone, even our opponents.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
Run the Denver offense with Peterson
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Denver runs an offense?
Well guess you do learn something new everyday
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Their offense is nothing but RUNNING
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I suppose the crux of my argument comes down to: you've found a winning formula, why change it?
by Winter Trabex on Nov 13, 2011 8:57 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
You're paying a man 63 million dollars. You want to see what he has. If he's better than Skelton you use Skelton as trade bait.
I don't buy that logic. I want the team to win. The money can hang.
by Winter Trabex on Nov 13, 2011 9:00 PM MST up reply actions
In what universe would you put the player in there who DOESN'T win games for you?
by Winter Trabex on Nov 13, 2011 9:01 PM MST up reply actions
I'll gladly take a 7-9 record or 8-8 as opposed to 5-11 again
by Winter Trabex on Nov 13, 2011 9:04 PM MST up reply actions
The last time we tried that, we took Levi Brown instead of Adrian Peterson. Moreover, many good players can be found in the late rounds, such as Tim Hightower.
by Winter Trabex on Nov 13, 2011 9:09 PM MST up reply actions
We have, but my point is you don't lose games on purpose in the NFL when the talent is always out there.
by Winter Trabex on Nov 13, 2011 9:13 PM MST up reply actions
No no no,
we took Levi Brown over Patrick Willis…BIG MISTAKE
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 13, 2011 9:36 PM MST up reply actions
but imagine having D-wash and Willis in a 3-4 defense
now THATS scary
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by GreaZzy on Nov 13, 2011 9:37 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Bold statement there
I love me some Daryl (2nd favorite player) but I don’t know if I am ready to say that. Maybe I should be though cause he is a straight up BEAST
Then again
We also passed up on Tom Brady. I think we should all just be happy Coach Whiz didn’t trade Daryl Washington to the Eagles.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
Softening your stance?
You said, if Skelton throws for 300 and 3 TD’s we’ll have a controversy…admit it Kolb has played his way out of the starter spot
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 13, 2011 11:15 PM MST up reply actions
My stance all along has been
Play Kolb next week, to give him a fair shot. He deserves a chance to play with this new and improved Defense. If he doesn’t do good, then I’m all for Skelton. But I’ve only said this like, what, 300 times?
And you can think that Kolb played his way out of the starter spot all you want, but Skelton sure hasn’t played his way into it either.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
To really be fair...
Kolb must get at least one off season with the system…Skelton is more familiar with this offense.
by AZcardoverseas on Nov 14, 2011 6:45 AM MST up reply actions
Which makes him a better QB right now
It doesnt matter who what when where why! Fact is, Skelton is better RIGHT NOW then Kolb. Period. Skii I also heard u say “Skelton hasnt played any good teams, If he plays the eagles and beats them I will officially say we have a QB controversy.” Now you say “Well that was all our D” blah blah blah your full of it! And I mean that in a respectful, non offensive way!
Obviously we have a QB controversy
Skelton played well, and there is a controversy. No doubt about that. However, controversy doesn’t mean Skelton is the should be the starter, it means its up for debate.
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Is Kolb really the reason we lost?
In four of the games that came down to the last drive, three weren’t his fault. Also, don’t forget that the Defense has given up 10 LESS points in the games Skelton started. If they played the way they’ve played the last couple of games in the games Kolb started, he’d have 4-5 more wins.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
Dont forget over half the fumbles and interceptions kolb threw
Set up our defense in horrible field position, and alot of points were due to Kolbs mistakes. Skelton doesnt fumble 3 times a game on his side of the field. And he doesnt throw 2 interceptions a game at the worse possible moments. And he doesnt take 20 yard sacks. Or run out of a clean pocket.
Great way of putting it...
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 13, 2011 9:35 PM MST up reply actions
It is hard to take your post serious when you are so biased. Be more objective.
ie: you don’t give kolb any credit for pp21’s return against Carolina, but you say Skelton did just enough to allow for pp to have a winning score last week.
I mentioned that in the comments there. Kolb has played well enough for us to win some games, but the team as a whole has played better under Skelton.
by Winter Trabex on Nov 13, 2011 9:16 PM MST up reply actions
this is exactly the problem
i’m going to work on an objective FanPost to see who is truly playing better. I don’t care who is QB, i like both Skelton and Kolb, i just want to see who is better, and maybe we can have a more rational argument
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I did not think I was being irrational here. Although...what measure of objectivity can you get that is greater than wins and losses?
by Winter Trabex on Nov 13, 2011 9:18 PM MST up reply actions
How well that person plays.
If that person is playing extremely well then it isn’t their fault for losses. Kolb was on pace for 3000 yards 20 TD’s and 15 INT’s for the season.
not a slight against you
i just am going to work on a more in-depth analysis. You support Skelton and your colours are showing in the FanPosts. i just want to show all the stats, so we can see who is playing better
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Dude. You used a hypothetical situation to pump skeltons tires.
In hypothetically situations I could hang 63 on Denver.
by fitzfan04 on Nov 13, 2011 9:21 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
What I want to know is....why bother dissecting that one point among all the other things I wrote?
by Winter Trabex on Nov 13, 2011 9:26 PM MST up reply actions
Then how about this... when you play two games your QB rating is typically going to be over 100. When you play 7 your QB rating will typically be 80-90 for a good QB.
or he could be be lower....
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 13, 2011 9:37 PM MST up reply actions
That's why I said try to be more objective.
Statements like that show your obvious bias and it makes it hardvto take it serious… IMO.
If you are unwilling to see the entirety of my argument based on what you believe is one fallacy, the fault lies in you, not me.
by Winter Trabex on Nov 13, 2011 9:30 PM MST up reply actions
You didn't read the whole article did you? There are stats and numbers in there.
by Winter Trabex on Nov 13, 2011 9:34 PM MST up reply actions
Ya. Numbers that paint a very nice picture of Skelton.
Other then the safeties, your article fails to mention any Skelton turnovers, yet it accounts for kolb’s int’s. Did Skelton not turn the ball over in all those games?
Has Skelton ever been sacked?
If I read your article i see kolb has been sacked 24 times. But I guess Skelton has never been sacked, other then the safties, or where those penalties, or did he run out the back of the end zone.
This is the bias I am talking about.
I have now highlighted a few of your many biases scattered throughout your post. That is why it is hard to take this post serious. There is a lot more that goes into winning games then a qbr in the 4th quarter.
I was trying to offer constructive criticism.
I am glad you are a cards fan and it is great that you support Skelton.
QBR isn't really that great of a stat
at least right now. it puts to much weight into “clutch”-ness. When Tebow almost beat the Chargers in week 5 QBR had tebow higher than Rodgers Under the Total QBR, Tim Tebow performed better on Sunday than Aaron Rodgers. here a quote from Pro Football Talk:
“Rodgers, whose Packers won at the Georgia Dome, completed 26 of 39 passes for 396 yards and two touchdowns. His Total QBR was 82.1.
Tebow, whose Broncos lost at home to the Chargers, completed four of 10 passes for 79 yards and a touchdown. And he ran the ball six times for 38 yards and a touchdown. And his Total QBR was 83.2."
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/10/espns-qbr-stat-puts-tebow-ahead-of-rodgers/
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Okay, thanks for the clarification. :)
by Winter Trabex on Nov 13, 2011 9:33 PM MST up reply actions
Kolb is still learning the system and developing chemistry with his skill positions.
Patience. If you believe our front office made a good decision assessing skelton, hopefully we can trust their judgement on kolb. I say Give kolb the keys to the franchise for at least a year from today and see what happens. If it doesn’t workout we will still have a 24 year old skelton ready to step in.
Skelton gets my vote
Have to go with Skelton. Momentum is with him. If Skelton had the Running game and TE threat Kolb has had I think he have look a lot better.
by McCollum, Travis on Nov 13, 2011 9:29 PM MST reply actions
They do but not on every play. Wells just looks slow after that injury. He not been the same.
by McCollum, Travis on Nov 13, 2011 9:37 PM MST up reply actions
You don't think he looked good today?
I thought he moved well he just couldn’t do anything. Seemed like people were getting beat on blocks to me. He looked like he could explode and cut just fine, saw him running over people again.
i agree here
he seemed to get tripped up a lot, or fall to the ground when he could have had extra yards?
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Steve Smith had the same problem on that 3rd and 20 late in the game. Perhaps it was the field.
by Winter Trabex on Nov 13, 2011 9:42 PM MST up reply actions
Probably that one.
The commentators were commending him on getting down before Washington got there but criticized him for his field awareness. Might just be me but if I had the option of being killed and getting a first down or getting a 4th and Inches and not be killed… I’d get the 4th and inches.
He just fell down on his own
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I he looked better this week but I don’t think he 100%
by McCollum, Travis on Nov 13, 2011 9:43 PM MST up reply actions
agreed. it was a good sign
and many tweets reported it was the best he’s felt in a long time, but he wasn’t at 100%
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I don't think it's Wells,
it’s an injured Shermanator that is the cause of our offensive woes.
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Probably a mixture of both
Wells looked decent today, despite his low yards/carry avg. When Sherman got in today, there were some good holes
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thats why the rook won the job out of training camp
and got Maui’a cut. Shermanator is simply a better fullback
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Our running game agrees!!
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 13, 2011 10:34 PM MST up reply actions
I am very curious about our run game with Skelton
With Kolb in the game teams seem to respect the pass more. With Skelton we get more stacked boxes. I know Sherman has been gone, but St. Louis and the Philly both stacked the box a lot these last two games, more so than I have seen with Kolb (I saw many 8 man fronts today in the first 3 quarters). Obviously they paid for their decision because Skelton proved he could make them pay (at times).
Is Skelton seeing more 1on1 match ups than Kolb? Is Beanie not performing as well because of an extra emphasis to stop the run?
Say Skelton does start this coming game, do teams respect his big play ability? Does that open up the game more?
As much as I want to see what Kolb has, Skelton really impressed today. Again he made some dumb decisions, again he frustrated me with his inarticulacy, again he wowed me with huge throws and incredible poise. The kid has moxy.
Jessesb all grown up
by Jesse Reynolds on Nov 13, 2011 11:07 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Lol, stupid auto correct **inaccuracy** no inarticulacy
Jessesb all grown up
by Jesse Reynolds on Nov 13, 2011 11:08 PM MST up reply actions
There, a rational case for my guy.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 13, 2011 11:17 PM MST up reply actions
Your guy?
You are taking this entire thing too personal.
Jessesb all grown up
by Jesse Reynolds on Nov 14, 2011 12:42 AM MST up reply actions
OK skelton looked good today. The game was enjoyable other than wanting to kill Feely.
Here is why we need to stick with Kolb.
- If we bench Kolb, we will have him and his HUGE contract sitting on our bench for years to come. We aren’t going to get much of anything for him right now.
- If we bench Skelton and Kolb plays well, then we have a valuable asset for teams looking for a quarterback. Maybe we could get an athletically gifted professionally challenged CB and a 2nd round pick for him:)
- We brought Kolb over to be a franchise QB. We can’t take him from that role without the benefit of a training camp or time to get to know the scheme. Growing pains are a given here.
by Superfizzogotflow on Nov 13, 2011 11:38 PM MST reply actions
If Kolb starts
He will be facing another top ranked defense. Third this season; should be a good test for him and the team but a bad litmus test for the Skelton versus Kolb debate among the fans.
Jessesb all grown up
Then start Skelton.
And when he does well, the debate will be over.
by billydacardsfan on Nov 14, 2011 9:34 AM MST up reply actions
You mean...
IF he does well. Skelton has faced average defenses, while Kolb has gone up against Pittsburgh and Baltimore. Kolb has also lacked the defensive support that Skelton is getting. Wait and see if Kolb is our man. We’re not going anywhere.
Where does Philly pass D rank?
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 14, 2011 6:19 PM MST up reply actions
I guess TWO games is enough to decide now?
Not to mention two close wins over struggling teams where the defense played its best this year.
This was a good post man. U will find only kolb lovers saying its objective cause it really isnt. Besides every post i have read that has to do with kolb being better is all based from the writers opinions.
U used some evidence which is more then Mr. Pollack and others on this site have used as support
EVERY POINT YOU MAKE ABOUT SKELTON IS AN OPINION.
You just use a silly little number to make it a "fact’. Both sides do this, not just the Kolb supporters. If Kolb can’t play due to injury against SF, put Skelton in there. The only way he will convince me that he can start is if he can beat them and can minimize mistakes and stand on his own two feet.

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