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Why John Skelton Deserves to Start

In this article, I'm going to break down why I believe John Skelton, not Kevin Kolb, should be at quarterback against the San Francisco 49ers, and possibly the rest of the season.

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Those of who still have faith in Kevin Kolb should consider a few numbers. The most prominent one is his record as a starter: 1-6. The one victory did not come as a result of an offensive play: Patrick Peterson scored the touchdown to win the game against the Carolina Panthers in Week 1. Week 2 and Week 3 saw the Cardinals lose by 1 and 3 points, respectively. Jay Feely missed two field goals in the week 3 loss to the Seahawks. Perhaps that should have been a win, but it was not. Weeks 4 to 8 saw a four-game streak of Cardinals' opponents scoring more than 30 points each game, some games in which the secondary seemed lost at times. The week 6 bye did not help the team at all. During those games, Kolb turned the ball over six times (two lost fumbles, four interceptions) compared to three touchdown passes. Kolb has been sacked 24 times in 7 games, partly due to his limited mobility and partly due to the offensive line habitually collapsing as it has always done.

To analyze John Skelton's body of work, his 2010 games have to be taken into account. This may be an unfair comparison as he has likely improved as a player since then. Thus, his statistics as a passer in 2010 aren't necessarily an indicator of where he is today; I use them as an indicator for the type of player he is.

Skelton's first start came against the Denver Broncos, then without quarterback Tim Tebow. The Cardinals routed the Broncos 43-13 in a game where Jay Feely kicked 5 field goals. I mention this as an indicator of scoring drives. Turn all those field goals into touchdowns, and instead of 15 points, you have 35. Tack on 20 more points to that game and it's 63-13, Cardinals. Week 15 of 2010 was not so favorable for Skelton as he turned the ball over twice and did not score a touchdown. The Cardinals lost that game 12-19 to the Panthers.

On Christmas Day, Skelton played one of the best games of his career to date- not including the week 10 game against the Eagles, which I'll get to shortly. The defense put the team up 14-0 in the first quarter of that game; by the half, they were up 21-10. Third string quarterback Steven McGee led the Dallas Cowboys on a comeback drive that had an interesting result: Dallas placekicker David Buehler missed an extra point. With 1:41 left on the clock, Skelton led the Cardinals on a game-winning drive of which included a 4th and 15 pass to Larry Fitzgerald for 26 yards. It is safe to say that Skelton won the game for his team that day.

Flash forward to 2011. Week 9 against the St. Louis Rams, Skelton struggles but plays just well enough to allow Patrick Peterson an overtime opportunity to win the game. Skelton took two safeties in the game, yet he threw a crucial fourth-quarter touchdown to Fitzgerald to tie the game up at 13.

Then, the Cardinals travel the East Coast with a long losing streak on the road to an Eagles team which is supposedly hungry for a win. At the beginning of the fourth quarter, the Eagles lead 14-7. Skelton fights back to make it 14-14. The Eagles answer with a field goal to take the lead. Just when all seems lost, Skelton leads a game winning drive which includes a 4th and 2 pass to LaRod Stevens-Howling for 30 yards. The score stood as AJ Jefferson intercepted Michael Vick to end the game.

So, who is the better passer? Certainly, Kolb has not been at fault alone for the games the Cardinals has lost when he has played. All the same, it is impossible to dismiss the starting records of each quarterback.

Kevin Kolb (Cardinals only): 1-6

John Skelton (2010 and 2011): 4-2

Let's break down their performances in the 4th Quarter. Here I am using quarterback rating.

Kevin Kolb (2010 w/Eagles): 46.2

Kevin Kolb (2011 w/Cardinals): 72.0

John Skelton (2010): 89.1

John Skelton (2011): 101.8

To me, those stats are easily the most telling when it comes to which team wins the game. John Skelton is a quarterback who can be relied upon to comeback, convert fourth downs, and carry home the W. Kevin Kolb is a quarterback who is better at managing the game and who excels when his team has the lead and can hand it off a lot. The running game was better when Kolb was under center, though it's unknown how much of that was due to Beanie Wells being healthier at that time.

Despite Kolb being paid a big contract, it is time for Arizona to turn to John Skelton if they want to win the NFC West. Yes, I am being optimistic when I say that, but here is their remaining schedule: @SF, @StL, Dal, SF, Cle, @Cin, Sea.

All of these games look winnable to me. Is it unrealistic to expect the Cards to end the season with a nine-game winning streak? Maybe....but then, it's entirely possible.

Poll
Who should start at QB for the Cardinals?
Kevin Kolb
23 votes
John Skelton
79 votes
Richard Bartel
5 votes

107 votes | Poll has closed

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Revenge of the Birds' (ROTB) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of ROTB's editors.

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SSS but our offense hasn’t really changed with Skelton or Kolb at QB.
Kolb starting: 20.4 PPG
Skelton starting: 20 PPG

The difference is points allowed by defense
Kolb starting: 26.1 PPG
Skelton starting: 15 PPG

by Alex Mann on Nov 13, 2011 8:06 PM MST reply actions  

So why don't we try Kolb

So he can play with this improved Defense? We might as well find out if it was Skelton or the Defense that won the games. Maybe Kolb can perform even better than Skelton with this Defense.

Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"

by Skii on Nov 13, 2011 8:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Wins and Losses

are why we need to let Kolb ride the bench next week, it’s a critical division game and Skelton HAS proven he can handle pressure than Kolb.

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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 13, 2011 9:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Am I the only one

Who notices that Skleton has less 3 and outs which allow the defense to not be on the field all game?

by billydacardsfan on Nov 14, 2011 9:17 AM MST up reply actions  

I like Skelton but lets see what Kolb can do with the drastically improved Defense.

If he falters we’ll know that Skelton is something special. If he doesn’t then we’ll know that it was the defenses (and Feelys) fault for most of our losses

by Alex Mann on Nov 13, 2011 8:25 PM MST reply actions  

We have to give Kolb more than 1 week to prove himself after coming back from injury

Let’s not forget SF is the 2nd best in the NFC and we’ve had a tough time against them the last few years. Also it’s on the road, which thanks to the W today we no longer have a double digit road losing streak. The measuring stick should be against the Rams and then through the rest of the year

by cardinalbrown on Nov 13, 2011 8:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Sorry I didn't mean to say if he wins.

If he’s able to be consistent and produce yardage and points for us then we keep him starting. But if he throws 3 picks 0-1 TD’s and cant move the ball then we start Skelton for the remainder of the year.

by Alex Mann on Nov 13, 2011 8:55 PM MST up reply actions  

In the last two games

The Defense has given up 10 less points on average than in the games with Kolb. That’s already four more wins for Kolb if you think about it (Four of his losses were by 4 points or less).

Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"

by Skii on Nov 13, 2011 8:52 PM MST reply actions  

You know what'll end all this arguing?

Richard Bartel for QB!

Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"

by Skii on Nov 13, 2011 8:55 PM MST reply actions  

I mentioned that on another post.

Since either way, we’ll have people being upset, just start Bartel.

by crisco219 on Nov 13, 2011 8:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Screw it, Jay Feely for QB!

It’ll shock everyone, even our opponents.

Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"

by Skii on Nov 13, 2011 11:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Run the Denver offense with Peterson

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by JoeCB1991 on Nov 13, 2011 11:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Denver runs an offense?

Well guess you do learn something new everyday

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by Steel34D on Nov 14, 2011 12:14 AM MST up reply actions  

Their offense is nothing but RUNNING

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by JoeCB1991 on Nov 14, 2011 12:38 AM MST up reply actions  

No no no,

we took Levi Brown over Patrick Willis…BIG MISTAKE

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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 13, 2011 9:36 PM MST up reply actions  

but imagine having D-wash and Willis in a 3-4 defense

now THATS scary

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by GreaZzy on Nov 13, 2011 9:37 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Bold statement there

I love me some Daryl (2nd favorite player) but I don’t know if I am ready to say that. Maybe I should be though cause he is a straight up BEAST

by Airwave on Nov 13, 2011 9:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Then again

We also passed up on Tom Brady. I think we should all just be happy Coach Whiz didn’t trade Daryl Washington to the Eagles.

Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"

by Skii on Nov 13, 2011 11:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Softening your stance?

You said, if Skelton throws for 300 and 3 TD’s we’ll have a controversy…admit it Kolb has played his way out of the starter spot

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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 13, 2011 11:15 PM MST up reply actions  

My stance all along has been

Play Kolb next week, to give him a fair shot. He deserves a chance to play with this new and improved Defense. If he doesn’t do good, then I’m all for Skelton. But I’ve only said this like, what, 300 times?

And you can think that Kolb played his way out of the starter spot all you want, but Skelton sure hasn’t played his way into it either.

Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"

by Skii on Nov 14, 2011 12:13 AM MST up reply actions  

To really be fair...

Kolb must get at least one off season with the system…Skelton is more familiar with this offense.

by AZcardoverseas on Nov 14, 2011 6:45 AM MST up reply actions  

Which makes him a better QB right now

It doesnt matter who what when where why! Fact is, Skelton is better RIGHT NOW then Kolb. Period. Skii I also heard u say “Skelton hasnt played any good teams, If he plays the eagles and beats them I will officially say we have a QB controversy.” Now you say “Well that was all our D” blah blah blah your full of it! And I mean that in a respectful, non offensive way!

by cgcardzfan on Nov 14, 2011 4:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Obviously we have a QB controversy

Skelton played well, and there is a controversy. No doubt about that. However, controversy doesn’t mean Skelton is the should be the starter, it means its up for debate.

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by GreaZzy on Nov 14, 2011 10:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Is Kolb really the reason we lost?

In four of the games that came down to the last drive, three weren’t his fault. Also, don’t forget that the Defense has given up 10 LESS points in the games Skelton started. If they played the way they’ve played the last couple of games in the games Kolb started, he’d have 4-5 more wins.

Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"

by Skii on Nov 14, 2011 12:24 AM MST up reply actions  

Dont forget over half the fumbles and interceptions kolb threw

Set up our defense in horrible field position, and alot of points were due to Kolbs mistakes. Skelton doesnt fumble 3 times a game on his side of the field. And he doesnt throw 2 interceptions a game at the worse possible moments. And he doesnt take 20 yard sacks. Or run out of a clean pocket.

by cgcardzfan on Nov 14, 2011 4:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Actually

He hasn’t played well enough yet to take the job. He is getting more support then Kolb was.

by Airwave on Nov 13, 2011 9:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Great way of putting it...

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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 13, 2011 9:35 PM MST up reply actions  

It is hard to take your post serious when you are so biased. Be more objective.

ie: you don’t give kolb any credit for pp21’s return against Carolina, but you say Skelton did just enough to allow for pp to have a winning score last week.

by fitzfan04 on Nov 13, 2011 9:14 PM MST reply actions  

this is exactly the problem

i’m going to work on an objective FanPost to see who is truly playing better. I don’t care who is QB, i like both Skelton and Kolb, i just want to see who is better, and maybe we can have a more rational argument

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by GreaZzy on Nov 13, 2011 9:16 PM MST up reply actions  

How well that person plays.

If that person is playing extremely well then it isn’t their fault for losses. Kolb was on pace for 3000 yards 20 TD’s and 15 INT’s for the season.

by Alex Mann on Nov 13, 2011 9:19 PM MST up reply actions  

not a slight against you

i just am going to work on a more in-depth analysis. You support Skelton and your colours are showing in the FanPosts. i just want to show all the stats, so we can see who is playing better

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by GreaZzy on Nov 13, 2011 9:21 PM MST up reply actions  

in this FanPost*

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by GreaZzy on Nov 13, 2011 9:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed

I think we need to give kolb time. We acquired what we hope is a franchise QB. Give him a year and an offseason to show what he has. Same with horton and his d. Give them time.

by fitzfan04 on Nov 13, 2011 9:18 PM MST up reply actions  

That's why I said try to be more objective.

Statements like that show your obvious bias and it makes it hardvto take it serious… IMO.

by fitzfan04 on Nov 13, 2011 9:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Ya. Numbers that paint a very nice picture of Skelton.

Other then the safeties, your article fails to mention any Skelton turnovers, yet it accounts for kolb’s int’s. Did Skelton not turn the ball over in all those games?

by fitzfan04 on Nov 13, 2011 9:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Has Skelton ever been sacked?

If I read your article i see kolb has been sacked 24 times. But I guess Skelton has never been sacked, other then the safties, or where those penalties, or did he run out the back of the end zone.

by fitzfan04 on Nov 13, 2011 9:41 PM MST up reply actions  

QBR isn't really that great of a stat

at least right now. it puts to much weight into “clutch”-ness. When Tebow almost beat the Chargers in week 5 QBR had tebow higher than Rodgers Under the Total QBR, Tim Tebow performed better on Sunday than Aaron Rodgers. here a quote from Pro Football Talk:

“Rodgers, whose Packers won at the Georgia Dome, completed 26 of 39 passes for 396 yards and two touchdowns. His Total QBR was 82.1.

Tebow, whose Broncos lost at home to the Chargers, completed four of 10 passes for 79 yards and a touchdown. And he ran the ball six times for 38 yards and a touchdown. And his Total QBR was 83.2."
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/10/espns-qbr-stat-puts-tebow-ahead-of-rodgers/

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by GreaZzy on Nov 13, 2011 9:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Kolb is still learning the system and developing chemistry with his skill positions.

Patience. If you believe our front office made a good decision assessing skelton, hopefully we can trust their judgement on kolb. I say Give kolb the keys to the franchise for at least a year from today and see what happens. If it doesn’t workout we will still have a 24 year old skelton ready to step in.

by fitzfan04 on Nov 13, 2011 9:28 PM MST reply actions  

Skelton gets my vote

Have to go with Skelton. Momentum is with him. If Skelton had the Running game and TE threat Kolb has had I think he have look a lot better.

by McCollum, Travis on Nov 13, 2011 9:29 PM MST reply actions  

You don't think he looked good today?

I thought he moved well he just couldn’t do anything. Seemed like people were getting beat on blocks to me. He looked like he could explode and cut just fine, saw him running over people again.

by Airwave on Nov 13, 2011 9:40 PM MST up reply actions  

i agree here

he seemed to get tripped up a lot, or fall to the ground when he could have had extra yards?

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by GreaZzy on Nov 13, 2011 9:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Probably that one.

The commentators were commending him on getting down before Washington got there but criticized him for his field awareness. Might just be me but if I had the option of being killed and getting a first down or getting a 4th and Inches and not be killed… I’d get the 4th and inches.

by Alex Mann on Nov 13, 2011 9:45 PM MST up reply actions  

He just fell down on his own

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by JoeCB1991 on Nov 13, 2011 11:51 PM MST up reply actions  

I he looked better this week but I don’t think he 100%

by McCollum, Travis on Nov 13, 2011 9:43 PM MST up reply actions  

agreed. it was a good sign

and many tweets reported it was the best he’s felt in a long time, but he wasn’t at 100%

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by GreaZzy on Nov 13, 2011 9:44 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't think he is 100% either

Looks like a different player then last week though.

by Airwave on Nov 13, 2011 9:57 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't think it's Wells,

it’s an injured Shermanator that is the cause of our offensive woes.

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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 13, 2011 9:39 PM MST reply actions  

Probably a mixture of both

Wells looked decent today, despite his low yards/carry avg. When Sherman got in today, there were some good holes

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by GreaZzy on Nov 13, 2011 9:40 PM MST up reply actions  

thats why the rook won the job out of training camp

and got Maui’a cut. Shermanator is simply a better fullback

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by GreaZzy on Nov 13, 2011 9:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Our running game agrees!!

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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 13, 2011 10:34 PM MST up reply actions  

I am very curious about our run game with Skelton

With Kolb in the game teams seem to respect the pass more. With Skelton we get more stacked boxes. I know Sherman has been gone, but St. Louis and the Philly both stacked the box a lot these last two games, more so than I have seen with Kolb (I saw many 8 man fronts today in the first 3 quarters). Obviously they paid for their decision because Skelton proved he could make them pay (at times).
Is Skelton seeing more 1on1 match ups than Kolb? Is Beanie not performing as well because of an extra emphasis to stop the run?
Say Skelton does start this coming game, do teams respect his big play ability? Does that open up the game more?
As much as I want to see what Kolb has, Skelton really impressed today. Again he made some dumb decisions, again he frustrated me with his inarticulacy, again he wowed me with huge throws and incredible poise. The kid has moxy.

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by Jesse Reynolds on Nov 13, 2011 11:07 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

There, a rational case for my guy.

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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 13, 2011 11:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Your guy?

You are taking this entire thing too personal.

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by Jesse Reynolds on Nov 14, 2011 12:42 AM MST up reply actions  

OK skelton looked good today. The game was enjoyable other than wanting to kill Feely.

Here is why we need to stick with Kolb.
  - If we bench Kolb, we will have him and his HUGE contract sitting on our bench for years to come. We aren’t going to get much of anything for him right now.
  - If we bench Skelton and Kolb plays well, then we have a valuable asset for teams looking for a quarterback. Maybe we could get an athletically gifted professionally challenged CB and a 2nd round pick for him:)
  - We brought Kolb over to be a franchise QB. We can’t take him from that role without the benefit of a training camp or time to get to know the scheme. Growing pains are a given here.

by Superfizzogotflow on Nov 13, 2011 11:38 PM MST reply actions  

If Kolb starts

He will be facing another top ranked defense. Third this season; should be a good test for him and the team but a bad litmus test for the Skelton versus Kolb debate among the fans.

Jessesb all grown up

by Jesse Reynolds on Nov 14, 2011 1:30 AM MST reply actions  

Then start Skelton.

And when he does well, the debate will be over.

by billydacardsfan on Nov 14, 2011 9:34 AM MST up reply actions  

You mean...

IF he does well. Skelton has faced average defenses, while Kolb has gone up against Pittsburgh and Baltimore. Kolb has also lacked the defensive support that Skelton is getting. Wait and see if Kolb is our man. We’re not going anywhere.

by RedFury08 on Nov 14, 2011 3:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Where does Philly pass D rank?

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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 14, 2011 6:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Skelton deserves to start...

…because he is a better QB than is Kolb.

God Damn you, Andy Reid.

by EvilBanner on Nov 14, 2011 3:27 PM MST reply actions  

I guess TWO games is enough to decide now?

Not to mention two close wins over struggling teams where the defense played its best this year.

by RedFury08 on Nov 14, 2011 3:41 PM MST up reply actions  

EVERY POINT YOU MAKE ABOUT SKELTON IS AN OPINION.

You just use a silly little number to make it a "fact’. Both sides do this, not just the Kolb supporters. If Kolb can’t play due to injury against SF, put Skelton in there. The only way he will convince me that he can start is if he can beat them and can minimize mistakes and stand on his own two feet.

by RedFury08 on Nov 14, 2011 10:17 PM MST up reply actions  

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