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Week 11: Cardinals have the most expensive backup QB EVER!

by Peter Jacob Hornig on Nov 14, 2011 2:09 PM MST

I know I'm a "Kolb Hater" but here is a break down on why Skelton is a better option at QB for the Cardinals going forward:

Before I start the comparison, I want a moment of silence for ALL of the people who said "Wait for Skelton to go to Philly and suck it up" *PAUSE*.................................................. Thank you.

2011 Wins/Games Started

: 2 Games Started, 2 Wins.

Kevin Kolb: 7 Games Started 1 Win.

No matter the excuse you guys have for Kolb's losses (O-line, Defense) or Skelton's wins (Defense/ST) you have to realize we play better when Skelton is at the helm, Simple as that. You can play the blame game all you guys want, but you are ignoring the fact that Skelton gets the job done and Kevin Kolb can't.

Total QBR:

Total QBR is a quarterback rating that takes into account all of a quarterback's contributions (passing, rushing, sacks, fumbles, penalties) to his team's scoring and winning and summarizes them into one number on a 0-100 scale.

100-70 Elite QBs 70-60 2nd Tier Qbs 60-50 Above AVG/AVG 50-0 Below AVG

If youre not familiar with the stat here is ESPN's FAQ on it : http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6909058/nfl-total-qbr-faq

NFL AVG: 51.1, NFL BEST:88.0 - (Aaron Rodgers)

John Skelton- AVG: 51.4 ([17th] out of 35), BEST :53.9

Kevin Kolb- AVG: 33.1 ([30th] out of 35), BEST:52.0

I know the sample size is small for Skelton, but I'm more interested in Kolb's QBR. 3 out of the 7 weeks he played, he was in the bottom 7 QBS. 2 of those 3 weeks he was in the Bottom 3 QBs. With the same Shaky O-Line and ZERO garbage time (few of Kolb #'s came in garbage time.) Skelton has managed to throw half as many TDs as Kolb in 2 games and Post the same amount of 300 yd games.

Stretching the Field:

Passes Thrown 11-20 yds:

Skelton: CMP:7 ATT:11 YDS:131 CMP%:63.6 TD:1 INT:0 RAT:135

Kolb: CMP:20 ATT:43 YDS:435 CMP%:46.5 TD:2 INT:2 RAT:79.1

Skelton wins this category too, he takes shots down field and keeps the defense honest. Unlike Kolb who is conservative and does all of his work 10 yards - to behind the line of scrimmage. Another intersting stat to look at is Kolb's passes thrown 21-30 yds.

Passes Thrown 21-30 yds:

Kolb: CMP:4 ATT:14 YDS:116 CMP%:28.6 TD:0 INT:3 RAT:22.0

I don't think Kolb is as good as everybody hypes him up to be.He is a game MANAGER not a GAME CHANGER. To me he looks like identical twins to Matt Leinart when moving the offense.

Mobility/Size:

I don't have to argue much here. We all know Skelton avoids the pass rush and makes things happen with his legs. Unlike Kolb to just seems to have a magnetic jersey that attracts defenders and the turf.

Skelton is a big dude and sees the field well and takes what the defense gives him (on the ground). When I watch Kolb play sometimes it seems like he struggles to see the WRs and often gets the ball batted down at the line of scrimmage.

3RD DOWNS:

Skelton:

ATT//CMP//YDS//CMP%//AVG//LNG//TD//INT//SACK//RAT//RUSHING STATS

DOWN = 3 TO GO 8-10	3	5	52	60.0	10.40	47	0	1	95.4	1	2	2.0	2
DOWN = 3 TO GO 11+	5	6	70	83.3	11.67	37	0	1	115.3	1	9	9.0	9
DOWN = 3 TO GO <6	2	4	15	50.0	3.75	10	1	1	99.0	0	0	0.0	0

Kolb:

ATT//CMP//YDS//CMP%//AVG//LNG//TD//INT//SACK//RAT//RUSHING STATS

DOWN = 3 TO GO 8-10	8	15	78	53.3	5.20	32	0	1	68.2	2	6	3.0	6
DOWN = 3 TO GO 11+	11	19	95	57.9	5.00	45	1	2	49.2	0	0	0.0	0
DOWN = 3 TO GO <6	11	17	98	64.7	5.77	49	0	0	80.0	3	14	4.7	9

The numbers don't lie, Skelton is a better passer on 3rd down. The big # to look at here is **AVG**. Kevin Kolb's numbers are okay but take a closer look. On 3rd and 8-10 his AVG is 5.2 yds (Not a first down) on 3rd and 11+ his AVG is 5 (Not a first down) and on 3rd and <6 his avg is 5.7 (Almost a first down). I have watched Kolb fail to convert TOO many times, I have watched too many 3 and outs.Skelton is averaging a 1st down when completing a pass on 3rd down and the offense seems to move more smoothly with him. When you watch Skelton he can move us up and down the field, with or without Beanie.

Larry Fitzgerald:

Who is the best WR in the NFL? Larry Fitzgerald. Who gives that player the ball on a regualr basis? John Skelton.

TDS with Skelton: 3 (2 Games)

TDS with Kolb: 2 (7 Games)

Now before you say ohhhh Early has more TDS and Kolb is spreading the ball around (which is true) I have a simple answer.... That had us at 1-6. Skelton feeding Fitz the ball : 2-0.

Examples: The Lions. They wouldn't be where they are if Stafford desnt get Megatron the ball. Baltimore wouldn't of beat us if they didn't give Anquan the ball. Cam Newton and the Panthers wouldn't be where they are if Steve smith doesn't touch the ball. I can go on and on. Why did we make the superbowl? It wasnt cause our D or O-Line. It was cause of Kurt and Fitz. They single handedly punished defenses.

So before you back up Kolb with Early Ducet's #s please realize Fitzgerald takes games over and there is a reason we pay him that money.

AGE:

Skelton: 23

Kolb: 27

Skelton is 4 years younger than Kolb. Kolb has 2 years of experience on Skelton. But the young gun has looked better and showed he has a larger upside to his game.

Clutch:

Do I have to argue here? Because we all know who is and who isn't.

Im sorry for all of you Mister and Misses Kolb wannabes. I know its hard to soak in.... but we made a mistake trading for him. I didn't want to jump the gun on Kolb but after watching this team play with Skelton at QB I have realized he has gives us the best chance to win and has far more potential then Kolb.

I am not saying Skelton is Aaron Rodgers, but I am simply saying he is better than Kevin Kolb.

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I disagree with your argument using Fitzgerald

Kolb
AVG CATCHES: 4.9
AVG YARDS: 86:1

Skelton:
AVG CATCHES: 5.5
AVG YARDS: 94.5

As of right now im neutral in the Kolb vs. Skelton debate, but you can’t say that Kolb doesn’t give Larry the ball. They are very close in average catches and yards per game, and would likely be closer if Skelton had 7 starts as well. Both Kolb and Skelton get the ball to the best WR in the NFL.

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by GreaZzy on Nov 14, 2011 2:29 PM MST reply actions

Fitz still gets plenty of targets from both of them though

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by JoeCB1991 on Nov 14, 2011 2:57 PM MST up reply actions

Kolb gets him the ball, but not when it matters

Average TD per game

Kolb: 0.285

Skelton: 1.5

When Larry Finds the Endzone we win games.

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by Peter Jacob Hornig on Nov 14, 2011 3:27 PM MST up reply actions

Look at it this way.

Larry is an awesome player, but he is a WR. He is not the best WR right now (that honor goes to Megatron). Besides, look at Aaron Rodgers, arguably the best QB in the league right now. He spreads the ball to multiple receivers, and he is very successful because of that. So, if you only want to go to FItz, the D will shut him down, which means no more big plays from him. Also, a lot of your other points are not airtight.

by RedFury08 on Nov 14, 2011 3:30 PM MST up reply actions

Yep, and when teams double and triple him,

expect to see any mix of, Doucet, Housler, or Roberts going forward.

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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 14, 2011 5:48 PM MST up reply actions

Other players score TDs too

Beanie Wells has 7 touchdowns with Kolb at QB. Beanie has zero with Skelton. In fact we have zero rushing TDs with Skelton starting.

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by GreaZzy on Nov 14, 2011 5:50 PM MST up reply actions

Which helps the case for Skelton getting it done,

and doing it with one dimension.

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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 14, 2011 5:50 PM MST up reply actions

thats not what i was arguing though

Fitz has one more Touchdown with Skelton than with Kolb, and Beanie has plenty of rushing touchdowns, all inside the redzone. I was just showing that even though Fitz has1 less touchdown with Kolb than with Skelton, our offense still gets the job done.

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by GreaZzy on Nov 14, 2011 5:53 PM MST up reply actions

Yup.

Earlier in the year Beanie would punch it in on the first try. So less chance of having to pass in order to get the TD. We will just have to wait and see how Kolb does when he gets back. Maybe this will push him to play better. If not Skelton is waiting and developing.

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by The_Knife on Nov 14, 2011 5:57 PM MST up reply actions

Only thing I have to say on this,

is the fact for the past 2 weeks Beani has been trying to get over his knee injury and hasn’t even come close to looking the same as he did earlier this year.

For me personally, I never liked the Kolb trade and I still stand by my thoughts on that.

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by Sir Whirly on Nov 16, 2011 9:05 AM MST up reply actions

Your hardly neutral.

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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 14, 2011 5:47 PM MST up reply actions

in what way was what i just posted not neutral?

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by GreaZzy on Nov 14, 2011 5:50 PM MST up reply actions

Nobody is totally neutral,

you either feel one way or the other about our brewing QB controversy.

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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 14, 2011 5:52 PM MST up reply actions

Honestly im trying to be neutral

Im working on a statisical analysis of both QBs right now. should have it up tomorrow or the day after. I willing to go with either Kolb or Skelton at this point, i just want what is best for the Cardinals.

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by GreaZzy on Nov 14, 2011 5:55 PM MST up reply actions

I am neutral

I am not a ‘fan’ of either player personally so I just root for my team. I say what I see in the games and that is as far as it goes. I don’t care which QB takes this team in the future just as long as they get the job done.

by Airwave on Nov 14, 2011 6:02 PM MST up reply actions

Kolb will be the starter.

If Whiz puts in Skelton with Kolb ready to go, he is signing his ticket out of here. He convinced the FO to go out and get Kolb. He needs to stick with his man. And, also, Kolb is getting better even with his short time here. There is no reason to waste bringing him here without seeing what he can fully achieve. We are not in the playoff hunt, so there is no reason not to start Kolb the rest of the season.

by RedFury08 on Nov 14, 2011 2:59 PM MST reply actions

^^^This. It doesn't matter what anyone else here says. Whiz is going to start Kolb when healthy.

by Superfizzogotflow on Nov 15, 2011 10:45 AM MST up reply actions

Wins are what cool down Whiz's seat...

Don’t kid yourself if the wins keep piling up with Kolb on the bench, he’s going to stay on it a bit longer.

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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 15, 2011 5:30 PM MST up reply actions

I love how everyone says Whiz will automatically bring Kolb back,

I remember Whiz always saying he will play the best player, no matter what.

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by Sir Whirly on Nov 16, 2011 9:07 AM MST up reply actions

Did you write this thinking of all the stats Skelton could be better than Kolb?

by Airwave on Nov 14, 2011 3:11 PM MST reply actions

I also respect Skelton because

– He is handling the situation maturely and takes nothing away from Kolb.

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by Peter Jacob Hornig on Nov 14, 2011 3:14 PM MST reply actions

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7235081/arizona-cardinals-coach-says-kevin-kolb-injury-negates-qb-decision

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by Peter Jacob Hornig on Nov 14, 2011 3:14 PM MST up reply actions

And Kolb takes away from Skelton?

What?

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by Skii on Nov 14, 2011 4:31 PM MST up reply actions

Well standing on the sidelines with his arms crossed,

and seemingly pouting rather than having a headset on and clipboard in hand, I’d say he’s not doing whatever he can to help his team win.

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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 14, 2011 5:49 PM MST up reply actions

Kolb is not a character guy.

I don’t know where this crazy idea comes from.

God Damn you, Andy Reid.

by EvilBanner on Nov 14, 2011 7:15 PM MST up reply actions

Kolb is quite the character.

Have you seen his dance moves in the backfield?

by AZ retiree on Nov 15, 2011 12:42 PM MST up reply actions

You don't know the full story

Let’s not assume that he’s pouting on the sideline without officially knowing.

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by Skii on Nov 14, 2011 7:37 PM MST up reply actions

How did Kolb deal with his last controversy ?

He pouted his way out of philly

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by Peter Jacob Hornig on Nov 14, 2011 7:40 PM MST up reply actions

What are you talking about?

When was this? Want to stop exaggerating everything to make a story?

This is when the debate is getting out of hand. People are just making stuff up now. You don’t see me going “I hate Skelton, burn him to the ground, he’s a dumb QB, Kolb is god!”, do you?

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by Skii on Nov 14, 2011 7:42 PM MST up reply actions

No, That's the lead writer here at ROTB.

by billydacardsfan on Nov 15, 2011 12:49 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs

Kolb is no god

But while Skelton made a big step in the right direction on Sunday, i’m still not convinced that he is better for the team than Kolb. Heck, the guys that follow the team the most closely (Somers, Urban, Jurecki) aren’t convinced yet that Skelton is better for team than Kolb. They watch them everyday in practice.

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by Jess Root on Nov 15, 2011 3:20 PM MST up reply actions

And they are also paid to manipulate opinions,

One is officially on the payroll, the other two work in the local media, so I’m sure they are “persuaded” with gifts by the Cardinals PR department.

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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 15, 2011 5:33 PM MST up reply actions

really?

you’re gonna go there. Yup, of course, this is all just a massive conspiracy by the Cardinals organization who don’t want a quarterback they drafted to be viewed as a better option. It would reflect terribly if a 5th round project quarterback could already earn a starting job in his second year.

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by GreaZzy on Nov 15, 2011 7:53 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs

Winning cures almost all,

ails of an NFL franchise, look how happy and rational the 49ers fans are these days.

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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 15, 2011 11:10 PM MST up reply actions

Tom Brady, 6th round pick

In the end it doesn’t matter as long as you win.

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by Sir Whirly on Nov 16, 2011 9:09 AM MST up reply actions

Everyone's just letting

The wins blind them. Yeah, Skelton has more wins, but guess what? The Defense has given up an average of 10 LESS points in the games started by Skelton. If Kolb got that kind of help, he’d have four or five more wins.

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by Skii on Nov 14, 2011 4:32 PM MST reply actions

Any given Sunday,

Remember St. Louis breezed by NO, and it’s not like the Eagles are not without talent.

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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 14, 2011 5:50 PM MST up reply actions

You backing out on your word?

Skelton matched what you said he would have to, now just admit you know we are going to see my guy until our winning formula stops providing wins.

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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 14, 2011 5:53 PM MST up reply actions

No...

I said for Skelton to become the clear-cut starter, he’d need to have an amazing performance with 350 yards and 3 TD’s. He didn’t have an amazing performance, though, and if you think so, your’re just ignorant. Watch NFL Channel, watch ESPN, they all agree that Skelton hasn’t played well enough to steal the starting job.

You honestly haven’t read a single thing I’ve posted for the last two weeks. Cut the "Team Skelton vs. Team Kolb!’ garbage. I’ve already told you that unlike you, I’m fine with both QB’s, but we need to give Kolb one more chance.

Last season, I was one of the first people to call for Skelton to start, so don’t act like I hate him. I’m not you, I like both our QB’s. But I want to see what the $63 million QB can do in similar conditions like Skelton.

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by Skii on Nov 14, 2011 7:40 PM MST up reply actions

And I feel the same way...

It seems as though people are forgetting how much we gave up to get Kolb. The front office and head coach (oh and our favorite WR Larry Fitzgerald) wanted HIM specifically to come here. You don’t give up on that investment after 6 or 7 games without a training camp. Doing so would be idiocy.

I didn’t like what I saw out of skelton the first game. Against the Eagles, in the fourth quarter, he played VERY well. Now if the tipped ball to Larry had gone for a pick 6 like it maybe should have we wouldn’t be having this conversation. But as happens in football every now and then, the bounce went our way and the game went our way as well. I still contend it was due to our defense giving up a mere 10 points to the high powered eagles, but skelton led us to the lead and we were able to hold it. GREAT SUCCESS!
We have had the lead in several fourth quarters this year and were not always as lucky.

Put Kolb in and if he fails for the rest of the year and Skelton wins the job out of camp and preseason, then cut your losses. If he does well then we have a backup that has shown promise at the professional level in the NFL. Whether he stays as a backup or is used as a trade asset, that can’t be all bad.

by Superfizzogotflow on Nov 15, 2011 10:53 AM MST up reply actions

I would say that our defense only gave up 7 to to eagles

Skelton’s pick 6 obviously takes it down to seven, but he also threw an interception which lead directly to a field goal. Our defense played amazing sunday

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by GreaZzy on Nov 15, 2011 11:13 AM MST up reply actions

Fitzgerald....

with Kolb he looks like any other WR, against the Rams he still looked average, but the game against the Eagles, how many people on here have been saying get the ball near Fitz huh? Probably all of us, with Skelton getting off a wobblers before getting rocked Fitz is once again looking like the superstar that everyone remembers…Who cares how much Philly raped us for Kolb fact is we found a winning formula with Skelton so why stop rolling with it until it fails to produce a win?

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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 15, 2011 5:35 PM MST up reply actions

I love that line by skii "-- blinded by the wins."

Thats like saying " the only reason the guys like her is because she has big tits."

by AZ retiree on Nov 15, 2011 6:13 PM MST up reply actions

I guess Beanies TD's don't count.

He got two tries Sunday before Skelton threw it to doucet. Earlier in the year he was punching it in first try. All of this does not matter anyway. Kolb will still get a chance to come back and show whether or not he is the starting QB. If not we have Skelton. And then I guess you could say “I told you so”.. If our D keeps getting better it may not matter who the QB is..

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by The_Knife on Nov 14, 2011 5:46 PM MST reply actions

Skelton =

Calm
Poise
In charge
room for improvement

by azcardswinez on Nov 14, 2011 6:33 PM MST reply actions

Kolb =

Scatter brained
NO pocket presence
paranoid
maybe room for improvement, ceiling is not as high as skeltons

by azcardswinez on Nov 14, 2011 6:34 PM MST reply actions

Skelton = Seemingly oblivious to pressure, leading to huge sacks given up.

Kolb = Here for a very short time, has an unknown ceiling (like Skelton), has to make do with crappy line play.

by RedFury08 on Nov 14, 2011 7:00 PM MST up reply actions

Kolb=weak girl arm...no sense of how to play the position...

…loves to throw INTs

God Damn you, Andy Reid.

by EvilBanner on Nov 14, 2011 7:16 PM MST up reply actions

You=Basing everything you're saying off the Eagles Kolb

Kolb=Just got here, and most QB’s don’t do that great in their first year. He hasn’t had as much time as Skelton to learn the Offense.

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by Skii on Nov 14, 2011 7:41 PM MST up reply actions

Total QBR is Total BS

Had a nice posting o BTSC. According to ESPN total QBR Dan Orlovsky in 2008 (0-7 as a starter that year for an 0-16 Lions team) has a better total QBR than Ben Roethlisberger (12-4 as a starter and won the Superbowl that year. He also had 4 4th quarter comebacks and 4 gamewinning drive in the regular season.) I don’t know about you but if the Steelers had started Dan Orlovsky against the Cardinals I think the Cards would have won the Super Bowl.

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by Steel34D on Nov 14, 2011 7:09 PM MST reply actions

Yeah, QBR sucks right now

They could always modify it but in its current state it doesn’t really prove anything in my mind.

by Airwave on Nov 14, 2011 7:22 PM MST up reply actions

Remember that thing where Tebow had a higher rating than Rodgers after one of the games?

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by JoeCB1991 on Nov 14, 2011 11:05 PM MST up reply actions

The two QB's:

Kolb: Still learning the system, was on pace for a decent season before his injury. Wasn’t completely awful like everyone is making him out to be, but just wasn’t amazing either. Could easily have 4-5 more wins if Defense had played as well as in the last two games. Accuracy is better than Skelton.

Skelton: Good clutch playing, but like Kolb, needs to be more consistent. Hasn’t been amazing enough to replace Kolb. Pocket presense is better than Kolb too.

Bottom line: I like both our QB’s, and I’m fine with either one starting. But I want to see Kolb in at least one more game. This is a lost season, so why not try out the big-money QB one last time? Maybe if the Defense keeps performing as good as they’re performing, he’ll do better. We can only find out by playing Kolb.

If Kolb fails, it’s Skelton time. But give Kolb one last chance. What do we have to lose?

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by Skii on Nov 14, 2011 7:45 PM MST reply actions

Wait until actual elimination to start Kolb.

That way, he gets gametime experience this season without the pressure plus he’ll have all of training camp to prepare for next season. In the meantime, let Skelton practice his backup role this season. Win-win, no controversy and Kolb heals up 100%. Investment saved!

by AZ retiree on Nov 15, 2011 5:00 PM MST up reply actions

You guys let Kolbs Hype blind you.

A.J. Feely is really working out in St.Louis right? Cause Andy Ried Swore by him too.

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by Peter Jacob Hornig on Nov 14, 2011 7:46 PM MST reply actions

I think you'll find out

That if you go through "Team Kolb’s posts, unlike you, we like both QB’s. We want to see which one is best. Now that the Defense is performing well, it’s time to give Kolb another game.

We’re not going anywhere this season. Why not use it to evaluate each QB as much as possible, and then pick a winner? Or tell me, what do you want to do with the rest of the season?

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by Skii on Nov 14, 2011 7:51 PM MST up reply actions

Kolb was better than Feely in Philly stats wise though

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by JoeCB1991 on Nov 14, 2011 11:06 PM MST up reply actions

That's not exactly inspiring Feely sucked/s

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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 15, 2011 6:01 AM MST up reply actions

Give Skelton 7 games

And let him prove to team Kolb that we got hustled by the soon to be Ex. Eagles head coach.

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by Peter Jacob Hornig on Nov 14, 2011 7:56 PM MST reply actions

I am guessing we are missing something here.

How come with the Eagles, Kolb was doing great. But with us, he has struggled. Maybe that says more about the quality of our coaching rather than of Kolb.

by RedFury08 on Nov 14, 2011 10:03 PM MST up reply actions

When did Kolb play great for the Eagles? hahah thats a good one

Was 3-3 as the starer

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I bleed red..im sure everybody else does too... but i bleed CARDINAL red.

by Peter Jacob Hornig on Nov 15, 2011 7:56 AM MST up reply actions

He was in the West Coast Offense his whole career

Give him some time to adjust.

by Airwave on Nov 14, 2011 10:23 PM MST up reply actions

OR...

you could switch to the West Coast Offense, which would make the team even better on offense.

by RedFury08 on Nov 14, 2011 10:57 PM MST up reply actions

Yes

But it is too late in the season for that so… yeah. I don’t see the coaching staff adjusting their offense sadly. At least Skelton knows it!

by Airwave on Nov 14, 2011 11:00 PM MST up reply actions

I know thats hard to read.

CMP:115 ATT:189 YDS:1,197 CMP%:60.8 AVG:6.33 TD:7 INT:7 RAT76.1

Please note that the Eagles were in the NFC championship game. And Kolb was their starter at the begining of the season.

[ECCF] East Coast Cards Fan since 2000.
Twitter: @Peterhornig

I bleed red..im sure everybody else does too... but i bleed CARDINAL red.

by Peter Jacob Hornig on Nov 15, 2011 7:59 AM MST reply actions

Honestly

When have you seen this AMAZING football player play? because i dont think anybody has seen that “Pro-bowl potential” in any game in his career. He has made one great throw (to fitz at washington) but even when he was in Philly all he did was check it down. Everything you guys believe is HYPE.

Please look at every Andy Ried Qbs QB that has switch teams, because none of them have had success. Koy Detmer. A.J. Feely, Donovan McNabb, Kevin Kolb. But that means nothing right? because its not like he said the same thing about them as he did about Kolb… and its not like they are all BACKUPS now…

[ECCF] East Coast Cards Fan since 2000.
Twitter: @Peterhornig

I bleed red..im sure everybody else does too... but i bleed CARDINAL red.

by Peter Jacob Hornig on Nov 15, 2011 8:13 AM MST reply actions