ROTB Roundtable: QB's, Defense, and Division Rivals
A two-game win streak: Feels nice to say it, am I right? Well, that's what the Cardinals are riding right now, and it's safe to say that we're all enjoying it. But although we just beat the Philadelphia Eagles, a.k.a. the "Dream Team", there are still numerous questions surrounding the team.
The ROTB Writing Staff took their shot at answering three of those questions. Hit the jump to read their answers, and don't forget to answer the questions yourself in the comments below.
1) Pretend you're Coach Whiz. John Skelton is coming off a big win against the Eagles. Would you start him or Kevin Kolb against the 49ers, and why?
Tyler Nickel: If Kolb is healthy, I go with him. Skelton is a good player, but Kolb is the Cards' QB of the future. He is also the better player and I still think he gives the team a better chance to win.
Jess Root: In the end, it has to do with health. However, if I am going to put Kolb in a position to succeed, if he has any lingering toe/foot issues, I start Skelton and let Kolb back in against a bad Rams team. If Skelton plays really well, then you have a real controversy because it would be against an elite defense -- not just okay or good. Likely, Skelton will struggle because SF has been awfully good. Then it makes it easy to say that Kolb comes back. On the other side of the coin is if Kolb comes back and struggles, it would cause a lot of fan noise calling for Skelton. But in the end it depends on health. If Kolb is completely healthy, you start him. That's how things go. Skelton has not exactly been Michael Vick of a year ago.
Jesse Reynolds: While Skelton did take four sacks last game, he does makes the line look better in pass protection. San Francisco can get after the passer this year. Justin Smith has had a beast of a season. Kolb also hasn't practiced in two weeks. If Kolb is out for even one practice, Skelton must get the start. He will have a heck of a match up as the Niners have the best run defense in the league averaging under 80 yards allowed a game, so again Beanie may not help much. But their pass defense isn't as spectacular being ranked 22nd. Whatever QB plays is going to have to win this game with their arm. Any turnovers and it's lights out AZ
JoeCB1991: It depends, Kolb hasn't been cleared to practice yet so if he isn't healthy give Skelton a chance to see what he can do against an 8-1 team. If he wins, it will be really tough to go back to Kolb, but if he loses or plays poorly it will take away some of the controversy and make it easier to stick with Kolb.
Cdeveau: I'm Coach Whiz. I start Kevin Kolb if he is available and has practiced this week. The maneuvers the front office took to bring him in during the off-season speak to such. I do expect to see progress though, and if he has a poor performance Sunday...If Kolb hasn't practiced, then I start Skelton and have Kolb ready as a backup.
Khodder: If I am in the shoes of Coach Whiz I start Skelton for another week, and I continue to start him until Kolb can practice in full for the entire week before a game. Right now there is no reason to risk any further injury for Kevin Kolb. The team nor Kolb does not lose a whole heap, and the benefits that the team gains in seeing Skelton get some consistent starts under his belt and face some defenses that are a big test for him. If and when Kevin Kolb can go the full week you need to insert him back into the lineup, you have made the commitment to him, you have to take all the chances to see what he offers you without shorting him by playing him injured.
Long story short, as soon as Kolb is 100% healthy and able to go a full week on the training ground before the game he is starting, if that is not possible then we stick with John.
2) The Defense has put up two outstanding games in a row. What is suddenly going right for them?
Tyler Nickel: I think that the defense has come on for three reasons. 1. They found a spark and ran with it, I don't know where from, but they found one. 2. I think they are finally understanding Ray Horton's complex defensive scheme. Lastly, I think the injection of youth is finally paying dividends in the form of Acho/Scho, Peterson, etc.
Jess Root: You know what is going right? The mental side. The missed assignments that we saw for so many games are finally starting to disappear. That's the difference. I recall several posters writing about how it wouldn't be until the second half of the season to see if the coaching and scheme changes would make a difference. They have. I imagine more of the same. Oh...it never hurts that they are starting to get pressure.
Jesse Reynolds: They are playing faster, guys are making plays and Porter isn't getting any snaps. The biggest reason overall is our CB's have been playing much better. Tighter coverage's, more contested balls and general improvement have greatly helped this team. Several times last week Vick ran around looking for someone to throw too, in the past that never happened. dddd
JoeCB1991: More of the young players are out there, they have injected some energy and speed into the defense, and the players are starting to figure out what Horton wants them to do and they are executing his scheme better.
Cdeveau: The defense has come together. I feel that this is part of the teachings clicking, and part of the new rotation of players. Acho and Schofield. Bradley getting into games. The 49ers will be a good test for this newly clicking defense.
Khodder: I have said it was going to take time, we are putting in an entirely new defensive scheme with next to no offseason, it was always going to be around midseason when the defense began to click and began to play some top quality games. But there are still issues, there was two or three times against the Eagles when the secondary blew a coverage and was only saved by an inaccurate throw from Michael Vick. I also think there is something to be said about fresh legs coming in at linebacker, or more to the point, the removal of the legs of Joey Porter from the field. The last two weeks Porter has not played a snap, and the defense has allowed 19 points to opposing offenses.
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I didn’t feel good after the Rams win because we totally fluked that one out. This time I really felt like we deserved it, even though the Eagles were missing key players…but then again, so are we.
Noticed a typo I made in my 3rd one
Should be “the Defense stopping the 49ers ground game”.
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These are all direct copies from the email right?
Usually, I don’t notice typos unless the red line that Firefox puts under misspelled words shows up.
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As long as we can pressure Smith early...
we win the game. The sooner we make him nervous, the sooner we force them to pass more. Our special teams has also been decent. Some good field position and they will find themselves playing from behind. That is the only way to take Gore out of the game.
If you don't have anything good to say about the Cards this season, you'd be correct.
by hevchv on Nov 16, 2011 10:51 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Ben Graham has found a winning team.
He was signed by the Lions. We also added Stephen Skelton and cut Isaiah Williams. Did we need more TE depth?
If you don't have anything good to say about the Cards this season, you'd be correct.
by hevchv on Nov 16, 2011 10:54 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Heap and Housler haven't been playing
Darren Urban said it was more about reps and not over working Dray and King.
Jessesb all grown up
by Jesse Reynolds on Nov 17, 2011 12:00 AM MST up reply actions
Hope Graham sticks around with them for a while
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With only King and Dray practicing, yes.
Stopping the run will be key.
Uh oh, another Skelton,
6-5 250, smells prototypical.
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ROTB Roundtable
1. Tyler Nickel “Skelton is a good player, but Kolb is the Cards’ QB of the future. He is also the better player and I still think he gives the team a better chance to win.”
Mr. Nickel are you psychic? How do you know Kolb is the Cards QB of the future? Is it not possible he’s a bust and Skelton is the QB of the future? Kolb is 1-6 vs. Skeltons 4-2 and he gives the team a better chance to win. Records say otherwise so far. But maybe your crystal ball is better than mine.
Jesse Root “In the end, it has to do with health.”
No in the end it has to do with wins/losses. Which qb gives you the best chance to win. Why are all of you ignoring Skeltons success so far? It appears your all drinking the Kolb Koolaid. You all sound like little Whisenhunt clones. You shouldn’t have to play a qb because you might have made a mistake and need to justify that mistake in giving him millions of dollars. If Skelton is better, which his performance to me indicates and his win/loss ratio indicates, he should start.
Everything Skelton does, even his mistakes are positive in my opinion. He is more aggresive than Kolb, doesn’t run back ten to twenty yards throwing the ball out of bounds. He is poised in the pocket, rushes for positive yards, and makes plays under pressure when they count. So what he threw 2 picks. Rothlisberger had like 5 or 6 fumbles/int. his first game this season. They didn’t sit him. Only difference with Skelton is he still won the game. He throws 3 tds and if the fg kicker hadn’t sucked they should have had 2 more scores. They need to play Skelton the rest of the season and compare what they have betwixt the two of them and make their decision next season. Something tell me Skelton just might have the better half of season when its done.
Cdeveau: The defense has come together. I feel that this is part of the teachings clicking, and part of the new rotation of players. Acho and Schofield. Bradley getting into games. The 49ers will be a good test for this newly clicking defense.
The defense is coming together because these guys are better and should have started from day one. Whisenhunts philosophy of not playing rookies is ridiculous. He needs to get his ego out of the way and play the best players. If we hadn’t of had injuries, Patrick Peterson would have been coming off the bench. Not getting to show his stuff.
OK...but you are sugar coating a little
Skelton doesn’t run back and throw it out of bounds. Right. Instead, he runs out of bounds 7 yards behind the LOS with DRC there. DRC! All he had to do throw the ball out of bounds and lose no yards.
As the business goes, you pay a guy a lot of money and trade good players to get him based on what you believe HE WILL BECOME, you have to ride him out and see. You have to be patient, especially at QB in a new system with no offseason.
Now…if Skelton has a great game against the 8-1 Niners, who have a legit defense, that is when you start thinking about leaving him in. But it does come down to health. If Kolb isn’t healthy, then there is no need to even talk about it.
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Pardon the interruption.
I know this is more of an Xs and Os conversation but one thing happened in the Eagles game that affects everything you guys are discussing concerning execution.
For the first time this season I sensed confidence and chemistry in both the Offense and Defense. It was not clicking like a clock, but it wanted to. If the Cards can tap into that again they will improve their play on both sides of the ball in SF and make a contest of it.
I hope this is worth mentioning.
Sugar coating
Has any of your group addressed how much quicker Skelton is on his reads, resulting in quicker passes out of the pocket? Do any of you remember a song from the mid 70s called Run Joey Run by David Geddes? If Kolb keeps up the happy feet stuff, I think it could be his anthem. If Kolb is better eventually so be it. Whatever it takes for the Cards to win. But what I’ve seen so far and I want to see more of, is the fact that Skelton is better right now.
Never heard of the song
I was born in 77.
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