Is Whisenhunt Really who we Think He is?!?!
by fansincejakenrob on Nov 20, 2011 11:21 PM MST
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PrintFirst and foremost this is a not a calling for Coach's head, only a question of his career choices and decisioning.
- Coach comes to the desert and gives us Cardinals faithful a 8 and 8 season. (I knew they built that toaster for a reason)
- Coach in his only his second year takes the Cardinals to the Superbowl! (what!! the cardinals, in the superbowl???)
- Coach in his third year, 10 wins!! (wtf! ten wins, we're amazing!)
Kurt Warner is blindsided after an interception in the playoffs and his career is over. (http://youtu.be/9CC1mpi7hIM) Now I'm not even saying that Kurt made Whisenhunt who he is, although it can be argued. My first questioning of Whisenhunt's tenor occurs after this game. You, me, and your grandma knew that either after that season or the next Kurt was gonna hang up the cleats. And we all seemed unconcerned and oblivious to the fact he had an heir apparent by the name of Matt Leinart (I'll get to him in a minute) and Brian St. Pierre to succeed our start of a Dynasty (yes! I said that) Superbowl run, and a 10-6 season with loss to the pending champs.
Flashback to 2006, the genius Bill Cowher retires and its obvious to Whisenhunt and 99% of Steelwhore, I mean Steeler fans that the Whiz is takin' ova! Or is he? No lets replace Cowher with a rookie 34 year old defensive coordinator out of Minnesota. And no one seemed to question this move in Arizona, the Steelers didn't want him, but he was more that welcome in the state of AZ. At the time I was still in shock at the release of our first big name coach ever (in AZ) and thought, who the hell is Ken Whisenhunt?
We start 2010 and our golden boy, our franchise boy, our gift from heaven was finally ready. Or was he? Cut before the regular season even starts is our starting quarterback for reasons unknown? (playing too conservatively, sleeping with Whiz's daughter, who knows!)
All I know is that there is more to being a head coach than just orchestrating football games. You also have to build and maintain a quality roster. Blame it on Rod Graves, hell blame it on the Bidwell's I won't fight you, but include Ken Whisenhunt in those blames as well. Bye Bye Karlos Dansby, Bye Bye Anquan Boldin, bye Antonio Smith, bye Antrel Rolle, most recently bye bye DRC. Now it can be argued we may not have needed some of those players as urgently as I make it seem, but what we did need is: regularity, seniority, and experience and it all walked out the front door. This is not how you build a football team.
So the coach who lost let go 4 starting players in free agency/trades (yes! some of them walked under there own free will and wanted out of here, but money talks and bullshit walks) decides its also good idea to release his only quarterback who "knows" his system before the regular season and proceed with a proven joke of a quarterback.(http://bit.ly/um94ZR) And what did he think he was gonna do? Win the west? I admit I thought we could, boy was I wrong. This actually was a move that was going to shake this franchise for sometime. This leads us to 2011, trade the house for a quarterback we know we can win with. Again I am not counting out Kolb (but I do like Skelton better, even after 11/20/11) we made a big bet, did we lose, too early to tell that is all. But back to my point that moved shook this franchise, we didn't draft a quarterback to groom, which BTW Whiz hasn't done since we got here, doesn't appear Whiz is tryin to build Skelton, for what its worth. IE: paying Kolb 65mil.
Now we are in 2011, about to conclude our second dismal season (5-11 I predict). Ken and Rod both with extensions, Kolb and Fitzgerald in the desert longterm. What now? What becomes of us? Does Kolb go gorillas in 2013 and go probowl on us? Does he perform mediocre but better than this year and we compete?
Ken, whats the worse that could have happened? We could have won 6-9 games a season with Matt Leinart for 2 seasons while you found your quarterback, but no we have been forced to all be proud cardinal fans* for 2 seasons being berated by our friend and family.
*oxymoron
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He gets a free pass thsi week
But next season, if the team is still losing games, he’s gone.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
Agreed
Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan
Phoenix Suns, Arizona Diamondbacks, Phoenix Coyotes, Arizona Rattlers fan
[I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Leading the NFL in swagtangibles
Well when u put it that way.... haha
Whiz may or may not be head coach material. I think he’s a smart football guy. He deserves a full offseason with our Qbs and these young guys (Acho, Scho, Williams, Washington, Peterson, AJ, R. Williams) who have shown a lot of potential but just need more time to grasp the NFL. We finally have our first legit D Coordinator, which I’m sure was Whiz’s dude and he appears to be a smart football guy too. I think Whiz future depends on how we look next year. We don’t even have to be great, even .500 would be nice.
by cgcardzfan on Nov 21, 2011 1:07 AM MST via mobile reply actions
I disagree
We need to be competitive and be challenging for the division. Anything else I would consider a failure of a season.
Jessesb all grown up
by Jesse Reynolds on Nov 21, 2011 6:41 AM MST up reply actions
Same sentiment here,
Goal #1 should always be winning the west.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 21, 2011 5:46 PM MST up reply actions
I agree Jesse
And a .500 record can likely win the NFC West. But if not its definately a step in the right direction.
Exactly
We have an amazing SF team in our division now. If we wait three years, they will have all the confidence, three NFC West titles, and not to mention, the three Super Bowl rings**
**Just a guess, you never know
by PatrickPetersonAZ on Nov 22, 2011 12:50 PM MST up reply actions
Our GM just wants money
We aren’t a poor football team; we have money. But our high officials don’t care about our success, they just want the cash and beautiful women. We just spent so much money building a new stadium in the middle of nowhere. No one tell me that the team doesn’t have money and can’t use it to get better players.
by PatrickPetersonAZ on Nov 22, 2011 12:54 PM MST up reply actions
Well, the AZ taxpayers,
had plenty of money, but our stadium wasn’t exactly in the top category on expense.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 22, 2011 4:10 PM MST up reply actions
Oh no,
next year better be winning or Whiz needs to be shown the door along with everyone else who decided to allow us to be raped by Philly for a QB, that only AZ was interested in.
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Is this really going to come up whenever we have a big loss?
Look at it this way, all of our defense should be back next year, they seem to be ok. We just need to fix the offense. We’ll get a tackle in the draft, and then we’ll just see what kolb can do. it’s not looking that bad for this team(compared to a few weeks ago anyway)
When talking about whiz before, you guys wanted to see improvement, and the cards has improved! Even yesterday, the D played pretty good, our only huge problem was QB play. This team is growing, we’ll see if they can keep getting better in preparation for next season
You guys talked
by forget on Nov 21, 2011 9:27 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Don't know why that last bit is in there haha
by forget on Nov 21, 2011 9:28 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I hope for the sake of your sanity better involves becoming relevant.
Even Fitz’s numbers and play have been relegated to footnotes on the 2011 season. Sad.
Look at our roster.
Our players are not very good. It takes time to rebuild.
by forget on Nov 21, 2011 10:28 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
It isn't exactly time to rebuild.
That defense is young and they seem to get better and better each week. It’s really the WR’s and O Line that needs rebuilding
Sounds like a fair amount of rebuilding still needs to be done lol
We still need some pieces on the o-line, and an OLB, and a safety, and a WR, and possibly a QB. It takes time to reload After losing as many good players as we did.
by forget on Nov 21, 2011 5:00 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
We can get a WR through FA and or Draft this year.
The O line needs an LT and that should be easy. We have a Safety in Rhodes and Wilson and we have 2 young OLB’s that are getting better and better.
Rhodes and Wilson could(or should) be replaced.
Do u see acho or schofield being a 10+ sack guy? I guarantee neither will ever hit that mark. Ya and finding a great LT is so easy…lol
by forget on Nov 21, 2011 5:50 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Lemme rephrase that...
Finding a LT better than Brown will be easy. Happy? And yes I do… Acho has 4 sacks in 5 games. Scho has gotten quite a bit of pressure against opposing QB’s as well. With the exception of last week.
Eh
I don’t see it. Acho just doesn’t have the instincts. He doesn’t look natural out there
by forget on Nov 21, 2011 7:07 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
So is Von miller....
You can pretty much tell when a guy is gonna be good. Acho could be a nice rotation player maybe, but he will never be a great edge rusher. If you are going to be a great edge rusher, you usually show it early on, he hasn’t really. He just doesn’t have the ability to beat a tackle one on one, all his sacks are just hustle plays. Which is a good thing, he just isn’t going to be a star.
by forget on Nov 22, 2011 8:26 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Miller has seen
quite a bit more time than Acho, let alone should I touch on when the two were drafted exactly?
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 22, 2011 4:11 PM MST up reply actions
my point is
you can tell when a guy will be an elite edge rusher early on. Acho hasn’t shown the ability.
Hmm
4 sacks in 5 games isnt showing anything? Im pretty sure thats a higher sack/game ratio then Von Miller. I couldnt dissagree more about being able to “just tell” this early on. Acho has shown alot in his limited time and i am very impressed. Same with Schofield. Being a OLB is more then rushing from the edge. You have to cover, read and react, set the edges, stop the run. And so far they have both looked very good in all of these categories including rushing the passer.
Acho is a finesse player.
He is very fundamentally sound, but he lacks the strength to be elite. Luckily, that is something he can definitely improve on.
How bout he lacks ability, period?
And he’s 260 pounds, he’s just as strong as most OLB in a 3-4. This isn’t a little guy.
And finesse? When has this guy used a finesse move to get to the QB? His move is bull rush, and hope he runs into the QB lol.
He doesnt look fluid in anything he does, he just doesn’t have the god given talent to be a good OLB. He’s just a nice athlete, that’s it.
by forget on Nov 23, 2011 2:14 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
He is a finesse pass rusher.
If he wasn’t, he would have actually knocked Big Ben to the ground instead of having to rely on the refs and the “in the grasp” rule.
Unbelievable
That’s your defense????
by forget on Nov 24, 2011 1:09 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
He's not finesse
Big Ben is bigger then Acho and one of the hardest if not the hardest QB to take down.
True, but Acho isn't blessed with the strength that other linebackers smaller than him have.
Acho is not a bull rush kind of pass rusher. He uses more technique to get to the QB. And while Big Ben is hard to take down, it certainly isn’t impossible and a 260 pound linebacker should be able to do it.
What's great,
Is your both going to eat those words after the game Acho had against the Rams
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 27, 2011 2:44 PM MST up reply actions
Well first of all, he has 3 sacks. Are you counting one that he got in the preseason or something?
But that doesn’t matter though. those numbers mean nothing! What has he shown you? All of his sacks are hustle plays. He lacks explosion, he cannot beat a tackle one on one! He might be a nice rotation player who can play LOLB. He’s not a 10 sack guy though, he will never be that sort of weapon.
And as far acho’s ability in those other categories…he’s not great in those areas either! He hasn’t spent a lot of time in coverage, but think about it, acho is a 260 pound college DE…with limited athletic ability, he’s horrible in coverage! He’s strong, so I’m sure he’s ok in run defense.
Ugh, you can just see it when he’s playing! He’s so stiff! Not sure how you guys are missing it
by forget on Nov 23, 2011 2:01 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
We are missing it
cause its not there. You right he isnt the most explosive athlete but he makes up for that with his smarts and hustle. I have seen him and Schofield make play after play after play afterplay. If you want to look up his college scouting report and post it as your arguement against him then thats fine. But the fact is that he has gotten to the QB 3 times already which would put him on pace for 9 sacks in a full year. And he hardley uses the bull rush. He has been excellent in coverage thus far. Forget what has been said and look at the facts. He has played great, made plays, is very smart, and is only a rookie. The only knock is his athleticism, but that can definately be fixed with a couple off seasons spent with ADub and Lott.
And numbers mean nothing huh? numbers are production, and production from a rookie is valuable. And the level of production we have gotten from him thus far is outstanding. I couldnt disagree with you more then I do about Acho.
by cgcardzfan on Nov 23, 2011 3:35 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I think you are getting the two OLB positions mixed up
or dont know that there is a difference between the two. On one side, usually the weakside, you have your speedy, athletic freak rusher. Think of Orakpo, Harrison, Hali, Wake, Von Miller. Thats where we play(ed) Porter and Schofield. They are our athletic guys. On the other side you have your bigger, more powerful guys who use their size and strength to get past the tackle. Think of Woodley, Matthews, Suggs, Briggs, Greenway. Acho fills that spot perfectly. He might not be as good of an athlete as some of those guys on the list, but his technique and size are perfect, and those are the 2 things you look for coming out of college. You can teach guys spped, strength and develop their athleticism alot easier then their technique, and size is almost impossible to build.
LOL im not mixing up anything
i said LOLB will be what Acho will play, not sure where your going with this. My point is that he isn’t the answer to our OLB problem.
And you just got that last part totally backwards. Technique is really the only thing you can teach, especially at the NFL level. You can’t teach speed, its something you’re born with! You might be able to become more explosive, but thats only if you’re not at your physical peak. Acho is just about there. Strength can be improved, but not dramatically at the NFL level.
EXCELLENT IN COVERAGE??
have they even left him in coverage? i doubt it, because he’s horrible at it! where do you come up with this stuff?
You can fix athleticism? in the NFL? since when? he’s in his physical prime right now! this is as good as its gonna get
Numbers matter, but his numbers don’t indicate the type of player he is. He is not a guy that can beat a tackle one on one. All of his sacks are hustle plays. He’s fine, especially as a 4th round pick. But if you think he’s gonna be a 10+ sack guy, you’re dreamin!
If you think a college kid is at his physical prime your crazy
Most people dont physically peak until their Mid 20’s. I agree you cant teach speed, but OLB dont need speed, they need explosiveness and power. Sure speed is a plus but its not required. If you dont think a couple years of conditioning, playing, and preparing in the NFL will add explosiveness and athleticism to players your mistaken. You can teach technique, but its alot harder to learn perfect technique then it is to physically perfect your body. Both take hard work, but one is mental and one is physical. You see great athletes exposed all day in professional sports because it takes more then that. On the other hand how often do you see players with great technique and mind for the game get dominated? not often. And he has played in coverage i know this for a fact because i saw it with my own eyes and he covered his man well.
I still dont get the part about numbers and not the type of player he is?? He HAS beaten tackles 1v1 so for you to say he cant is a false statement. He has sacked the QB 3 times which is on par for 9+ in a full season, so u saying he will never be a 10 sack guy is absurd.
I think you have a poor judgement of players. You were also the guy saying Mike Adams is garbage, and he has been making huge plays and great tackles all season. Especially against the rams and the week after his injury.
actually im pretty good at it.
i called the kolb debacle after week 1.
Mike Adams is horrible! sorry, making a tackle after allowing a 7-10 yard gain does not constitute a “big play” lol.
dude, all of his sacks came because of coverage and the QB holding the ball too long, except for the one where he forced the fumble if i remember correctly. He got in their pretty quick on that one. I don’t think you know how to look at how players play and evaluate them. Stats do provide insight, but how the guy looks on the field is most important!
Acho reminds me alot of Lamaar Woodley to be honest
Woodley isnt a great athlete and he gets it done. He started his career off on the same note as Acho has, with upside and work. I can see Acho being our future OLB for the next 8-10 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKucYp_YvWI
he will never make moves these…ever
Sorry not a Woodley
Woodley has that first step, Acho doesn’t. I think Acho will be a solid OLB in the league I think a better comparison is a more stout Clark Haggans in his prime. He is smart going to always be in position once he learns the defense, never going to give up too much but never going to give you that huge splash play. Haggans averaged 6 sacks a year as a Steeler when starting but was very important to that run defense and much better in coverage than Porter was. The question is can Schoefield be the ROLB pass rusher. He has a better first step then Acho but isn’t quite as physical or football smart, I like just don’t know if he is the guy we need or not.
Huge fan of the Steelers. (that includes "Steelers West")
"If I could start my life over again, I would be a professional football player and you better damn well believe a Pittsburgh Steeler!"- Jack Lambert
Talking to me?
I dont hate Kolb at all. I just feel like he is not as ready as Whiz and everybody thought he was when they gave him that contract. I do like skelton better but I dont hate Kolb.
I agree,
I dunno what his deal is against Acho, but you can see the impact in the way our defense has played as he has slid into the starting lineup.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 25, 2011 1:01 PM MST up reply actions
im not against acho
just because i don’t think he can be a 10+ sack guy doesn’t mean i hate him. I’m just realistic about what he is.
Dude you obviously dont understand the game
Mike Adams has been killer. Acho may not average 10 sacks a year but i garuntee you he is capable of reaching 10 sacks in a season. You arguements are stupid. “all of his sacks came because of coverage and the QB holding the ball too long.” …. What the hell does that even mean, i know what your trying to say, but what does it mean? Thats the dumbest arguement ive ever heard. Thats like me saying " Peterson got his interception because the QB threw a bad throw" lol no shit. Its called cause and effect. It doesnt matter how he got his sacks because the fact is he made the play and he is only a rookie.
You don't even understand my argument
Im arguing he will never be a feared pass rusher in this league. He doesn’t have the explosiveness to fill our need for a pass rusher. You think I don’t know the game? You’re the one who thinks acho will be a great pass rusher! Haha
And you have to admit, my thoughts on mike Adams are pretty spot on lol
by forget on Nov 25, 2011 11:37 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
"it doesn't matter how he got his sacks"
LOL. It doesn’t, huh? When you’re evaluating what a player will become it does!
He lacks the ability to beat tackles one on one. That’s it, that’s his problem. Because he can’t do it, we need to find someone who can.
by forget on Nov 25, 2011 11:50 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe im not clear what your trying to say
Do I think Acho can be an above average starting OLB, Yes. Do i think he is gonna be the next Suggs, No. I dont see him being a top tier OLB but there arent alot in the NFL to begin with. I can see him have 6-10 sacks a year easy. And he is better in coverage and stopping the run then you think he is. He also has the ability to read and react to plays and formations. I can definately agree with the Haggans comparison.
You basically just agreed with me.
Sure he can get 5-7 sacks, and he very well could have a haggans-like career. But we need a pass rusher that we know can beat a guy one-on-one. A guy that people fear. Acho is not that, and will never be that.
by forget on Nov 25, 2011 11:40 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
hmmm
Acho with 2 sacks and a forced fumble already this game. Both sacks were SPEED rushes 1v1 against the left tackle. He also shouldve had a third but a false start stopped the play. whats that, 5 sacks in 6 games or somethin? Yea you sure do know what your talking about lmao. And no, your assesment of Mike Adams is garbage just like your assesment of Acho.
correection
2 sacks, 2 FF, and 1 fumble recovery for Acho so far….. Beast!
by cgcardzfan on Nov 27, 2011 12:55 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Be careful
He went against a backup tackle. But it was surprising to see that explosiveness, I’m not gonna lie.
We’ll see if he can keep it up, I do think we still need to get a pass rusher in the draft eventually. We need a dominate pass rusher to go along with acho.
I never said he was a bad player, I just don’t think he’s a Harrison/ware/Von miller type of guy.
And sorry, I’m still right about money mike! Lol
by forget on Nov 27, 2011 2:53 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
True
And its cool to see u can recognize when ur wrong and admit it. But he looked damn good today. I agree we need another pass rusher but this draft is not gonna have many great prospects. Like I said, I do see Acho as an above average OLB who can do it all at a high level. I dont see him as a pass rush specialist but he is still good at it. And don’t forget how smart the kid is and how inexperienced as well. He definately has a lot to learn and considering he is already producing this much, id say his upside is pretty huge.
by cgcardzfan on Nov 27, 2011 3:27 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
We can probably get a decent WR in the 3rd or later too
Need a burner to help take the top off the defense
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Phoenix Suns, Arizona Diamondbacks, Phoenix Coyotes, Arizona Rattlers fan
[I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Leading the NFL in swagtangibles
is what going to come up?
I wrote what I believe is a very accurate summation of his time as an Arizona cardinal and asked is he really a sound and solid football coach. nothing more.
by fansincejakenrob on Nov 21, 2011 9:58 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Right....
The headline reads: " is whiz really who we think he is?" I was asking if we are going to question whiz every time we have a big loss.
by forget on Nov 21, 2011 10:26 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
To my knowledge this is a first fanpost of the topic.
by fansincejakenrob on Nov 21, 2011 10:37 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Is it coaching or players?
Offense is ranked #25
Defense is ranked #28
Special teams average ranking is #18
If all the players are minimum wage, undocumented workers from the Philippines, I give the coaching staff a pass.
Their players aren't very good, so they
by forget on Nov 21, 2011 11:05 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Wont be ranked very high
I don’t get how those rankings prove your point
by forget on Nov 21, 2011 11:07 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
This is NFL talent!
These are not schlubs off the street. Enough with the excuses for the failure of Cardinals coaches to mold this talent to be a competitive unit.
Those O and D team stats are so far below average, it’s inexcusable coaching.
Our qb's suck
So that explains our offensive ranking. We have a rookie CB and a second year undrafted CB playing outside. Our back up FS is playing, and our other safety is a big, slow brute. We played with 35 year old OLBs for most of the season. All of that explains our defensive ranking.
by forget on Nov 21, 2011 11:45 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Who?
Who manages these QBs? Who put them on the roster? Who put all these players on the roster? Who was in charge of coaching them up? Who put this team together over the last four and 3/4 seasons? This is not a rational discussion.
Excuse and finger pointing away from the obvious point of responsibility does not hide the facts.
by AZ retiree on Nov 21, 2011 11:57 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
We've had so many holes
It’s hard to fill all of them in a short period of time. You would have to have PERFECT drafts.
by forget on Nov 21, 2011 12:04 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
You are not interested in winning, so who cares?
Just keep digging.
Answering your question
Who manages these QBs?
That would be Mike Miller and the QB coach. Ken the head coach has to manage the team as a hole.
Who put them on the roster?
That you be Rod Graves with input from Ken and the Bidwells wallet.
Who puts all these players on the roster?
More Ken then the last one but still Graves and the Bidwells pocketbook
Who was in charge of coaching them up?
Mike Miller and the OB coach
Who put this team together over the last 4 and 3/4 season?
Once again Graves, input from Whiz and Bidwell’s wallet
I am missing what is so obvious? But lets see with the same GM and same cheap owner how did Denny Green do?
Huge fan of the Steelers. (that includes "Steelers West")
"If I could start my life over again, I would be a professional football player and you better damn well believe a Pittsburgh Steeler!"- Jack Lambert
I understand your prospective.
Mine is that Whiz’s fingerprints are all over this whole enchalada. He is the pivit point between personnel and product on the field. That is what is obvious. Everyone has a particular job, I agree, but when the smoke clears the HC is most responsible. That is my take.
He has 3 .500 seasons
And two division titles. You’re right, his finger prints are all over his team!!
by forget on Nov 21, 2011 6:43 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
that was 2 years ago
his fingerprints are fresh on two .3125 seasons, back to back. I’m assuming we finish 5-11 yet again, and predicting Kolb loses to the Rams this weekend.
by fansincejakenrob on Nov 21, 2011 8:37 PM MST up reply actions
what do you expect?
we lost a lot of guys. Did you really expect us to not skip a beat? Especially without a quarterback???
Probably be 16-0 with Petersen running the Wild Cat (Tiger whatever)....
*joke people .
Huge fan of the Steelers. (that includes "Steelers West")
"If I could start my life over again, I would be a professional football player and you better damn well believe a Pittsburgh Steeler!"- Jack Lambert
this post is about evaluating his career choices to date
And if they were smart or not.
by fansincejakenrob on Nov 21, 2011 11:44 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Yes. So you are questioning his decisions, and his competence.
by forget on Nov 21, 2011 11:47 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
yes
in a different form rather than just blatantly calling him out! and laying out facts, can you dispute any of my above claims?
by fansincejakenrob on Nov 21, 2011 12:26 PM MST up reply actions
Your Steelers information is misleading
The Steelers wanted Whiz or Grimm. The Steelers had Ken Whiz or Grimm all but signed. Then to comply with the Rooney Rule they interviewed a fairly unknown DC who had the Vikings D playing at a high level. This coach impressed the organization so much with his knowledge and his charisma that the organization went with him. Many in Steelers Nation were not happy about this. I personally wanted Whiz but decide to give Tomlin the benefit of the doubt. After Tomlin’s first interview I could tell this was a leader of men. I knew nothing of his football IQ and still don’t but a HC doesn’t need a high football IQ they need to be able to evaluate situation, and motivate their players and I could tell Tomlin could do this.
Huge fan of the Steelers. (that includes "Steelers West")
"If I could start my life over again, I would be a professional football player and you better damn well believe a Pittsburgh Steeler!"- Jack Lambert
Whiz bit off more than he could chew.
I was pro Whiz when the Steelers passed on him. Now I know that it was Kurt, Fitz and Q (the best WR duo in football) and Haley that got us where we were. And now no convincing will change my mind. I think Grimm would be a better HC. Are there any better options. I think so. During the offseason I begged for Harbaugh. You guys still think I’m an idiot? I must admit I was wrong. With our younger players, I think we are closer to a 3-4 than a 4-3 now. The “Chin” continues to come to mind. Not that he would actually get fired, but if he did, who would be a good fit for us?
If you don't have anything good to say about the Cards this season, you'd be correct.
by hevchv on Nov 21, 2011 7:45 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
"Now I know that it was Kurt, Fitz and Q (the best WR duo in football) and Haley that got us where we were"
Then please explain the successful 2010 season where it was Whiz calling the offensive play call with those same group of players?
by CanadianCard on Nov 23, 2011 6:13 PM MST up reply actions
We weren’t as explosive on offense. We just had too much talent to be denied. Now its all gone, except for whiz. Wait, we still have whiz. We should be fine.
If you don't have anything good to say about the Cards this season, you'd be correct.
Not as explosive most likely due to Warner's arm that year, not the playcalling
But Whiz got the job done as a playcaller that season, with the offensive gameplan against Greenbay being the best of the season and probably the best ever by a Cardinals OC.
by CanadianCard on Nov 24, 2011 6:43 PM MST up reply actions
A lot of words to basically reiterate what I said, the Whiz beat out by a 34y/o D coor
by fansincejakenrob on Nov 21, 2011 8:38 PM MST up reply actions
No a slight correction on what you said...
It wasn’t that the Steelers didn’t want Whiz it is that the Steelers wanted Tomlin more.
Huge fan of the Steelers. (that includes "Steelers West")
"If I could start my life over again, I would be a professional football player and you better damn well believe a Pittsburgh Steeler!"- Jack Lambert
Not to many people care about why the Steelers hired Tomlin,
over Grimm or Whiz around here.
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Of course they don't
They don’t want to know the truth! They just like placing blame on guys like whiz for no reason..,any info that supports whiz is ignored
by forget on Nov 21, 2011 5:53 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
And I dont care how the president was elected
but I sure am bitching about the state of the country now.
by fansincejakenrob on Nov 21, 2011 8:39 PM MST up reply actions
Can you really defend?
Some of the personnel decisions made the last couple of seasons?
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I'm leaning towards,
the mishandled Leinart situation, letting the core of our championship team all but disappear (Antonio Smith) has been rather effective in Wade Phillips 3-4
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Well we did lose big players from our Super Bowl run that offseason...
Yet we went on to go 10-6 the next year…
would you have paid those guys
what they wanted? they are all paid like they are the best player at their position, and they aren’t!
and Leinart sucks dude, there’s no chance matt wins more than five games with our team
Would have kept Dansby and Breaston at most...
And let Smith, Rolle, Berry, Branch, LaBoy etc. go.
Huge fan of the Steelers. (that includes "Steelers West")
"If I could start my life over again, I would be a professional football player and you better damn well believe a Pittsburgh Steeler!"- Jack Lambert
dansby's great and all
but when he signed his deal he became the highest paid linebacker in the game…he’s not even close to that
Agreed
would not have paid Dansby that much but that is why I said “at most”
Huge fan of the Steelers. (that includes "Steelers West")
"If I could start my life over again, I would be a professional football player and you better damn well believe a Pittsburgh Steeler!"- Jack Lambert
I would have let all but MAYBE Breaston go
The prices those guys were asking was way too much for what they were worth. I love Dansby, Rolle, etc… but the team is probably better off not having those fat contracts. We wouldn’t have Washington if it wasn’t for Dansby leaving…. The only reason I say maybe on Breaston is the knee but as far as game day I loved having him on the team. He is missed for sure.
Agreed
Dansby was a leader and another true presence is needed at ILB but he is not the top ILB in the league yet wanted to be paid like he was. Breaston help stretch the field for Fitz, he was a good route runner with respectable deep threat ability. Still shaking my head at why they let him go, Roberts didn’t show me last year he was ready for a starting spot.
Huge fan of the Steelers. (that includes "Steelers West")
"If I could start my life over again, I would be a professional football player and you better damn well believe a Pittsburgh Steeler!"- Jack Lambert
If we draft high enough Arizona will have some challenged with who to pick.
We could draft Barkley, Johnathan Martin, or Vontaze Burfict. I’d go with Martin but the other two would be good. Or we could get Blackmon the WR out of Oklahoma St.
Id take Kalil over Martin for sure
The more I watch Stanford, the less i think Martin will be a good LT. He is good in college cause of how big and athletic he is compared to the PAC-12 competition he faces. Once he gets to the NFL he will be facing dudes bigger stronger and faster then him and i think he will make the transition to RT in the NFL. He does have the technique or footwork to be a great LT. I think he might be the next Levi Brown honestly. I like Kalil because he has great technique and uses his feet to keep position on the rusher. He has great fundementals and is a smart player. He was good enough to make push Tyron Smith to the RT position in college. And Tyron Smith was considered a top 3 OT in last years drfat. He was drafted by the cowboys and has started every game at RT where he is playiong great. Matt Kalil is better then him…….. think about it.
I wanna trade down and let get 'Tazed
he and Washington will make a nice duo, one side to side the other downhill.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 27, 2011 2:46 PM MST up reply actions
Did you watch Burfict this season?
Especially over the last 4 games, he killed his draft stock. He is playing too heavy and still hasn’t curbed his attitude.
by cardinalbrown on Nov 27, 2011 3:18 PM MST up reply actions
But that attitude...
Is what our LB corps is lacking, Acho, Schofield, and Washington all seem to be high character guys, what we need is our own Harrison, Lewis, or Suh
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 27, 2011 5:43 PM MST up reply actions
We need guys of their talent
Not their character. Ray Lewis is a bad example because he is a high character guy that plays with a mean streak (except for that shooting incident early in his career). He’s not a dirty player like Harrison or Suh. We have our own version of that player with a mean streak in A Dub.
That attitude you speak so highly of is good for multiple 15yd penalties per game and is why Burfict was benched against Cal in the 4th quarter. I agree with you that we need more passion on D to go with A Dub & 9-0 but we also need those players to not let emotions get the best of them. Burfict has proven he can’t control himself and that’s why teams pick on him. Kind of like how WRs treat Cortland Finnegan.
by cardinalbrown on Nov 27, 2011 7:10 PM MST up reply actions
The Leinart debate is a dead horse,
but why not keep him under center until we had the guy that made him irrelevant rise up. Don’t forget before Andrew Luck, Matt Leinart was probably the biggest can’t miss QB in the draft.
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AZ's coaches
Stallings 12-15
Kuhlman 0-5
Bugel 20-44
Ryan 12-20
Tobin 28-43, 1-1 Playoffs
McGuinnis 17-40
Green 16-32
Wisenhunt 40-40, 4-2 Playoffs
Ok so he isn’t Belichick, Walsh, or Landry but he is the best coach the Arizona Cardinals have ever seen. I think one of the biggest obstacles the Cards have had is the Carousel of coaches when a team needs stability. 2010 was a disaster and they righted the ship back in the right direction in 2011. If we got worse last year instead of better then I would probably feel differently. Back in the day, on draft day all the experts knew how the thing would unfold and had every thing scripted out and when the Cards pick was announced they would sigh and throw their notes up the air. Now the Cards drafts are usually held in high regard and they aggressively targeted certain guys they wanted. I Wiz has always tried to draft based on who might not be there in 2 years, more than draft for an immediate impact. I think a new coach will want to come in and blow it up and do it his way, which means 3 bad years, with a gradual rise to mediocre and in 4-5 years, be right where we are now. If Wiz does go, I hope Ray Horton gets the gig.
Chicago Cubs - Arizona Cardinals 168 combined years and no rings
I guess I'm a masochist
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