Cardinals Vs. 49ers: Five Negatives From The 23-7 Loss
The Arizona Cardinals traveled into San Francisco hoping to claw their way back into the division with a win over the NFC West leading 49ers. From the very beginning of the game, those hopes had all been lost. San Francisco came out of the gates with fire in their bellies, whereas the Cardinals came out looking flat and unmotivated.
After the jump, I'll take a look at five of the negatives that I picked out from the game. Feel free to post your negatives in the comments below.
Well folks, it seems like our QB controversy is officially over (as if there ever was one). John Skelton played terribly yesterday, going 6/19 for 99 yards. Throw in the fact that he tossed three interceptions and you can see why Richard Bartel replaced him in the fourth quarter. The Cardinals were unable to move the ball with Skelton under center and did not register their only seven points of the game until Bartel was the QB.
Skelton's accuracy and timing were askew and his vision was clouded to say the least. His play led the team to numerous three-and-outs and cost the Cardinals any chance at pulling out that game. Look for Kevin Kolb to start healing up real quick after that monstrosity of a performance.
Time Of Possession:
This was the most telling stat of the game. The Cardinals possessed the ball on offense for a grand total of 15 minutes and 44 seconds. They were only able to run 48 plays as opposed to the 87 of the 49ers. According to Mike Sando of ESPN, that is their lowest T.O.P. since, "at least 1981."
Going into this game, we knew running the ball was going to be no easy task and that any chance of winning would rely on the arm of Skelton. Unfortunately, that didn't turn out too well. Five turnovers and a lack of any offensive flow doomed the Cardinals in this game. The 49ers were able to use their power run game with Frank Gore and Kendall Hunter to eat yards and burn clock throughout the afternoon.
Pressuring Alex Smith:
Not a single Arizona Cardinal player was able to register a sack against Alex Smith yesterday. Not one. Smith had all day to deliver throws from the pocket and he was able to find receivers. Michael Crabtree, Vernon Davis and ASU alum Kyle Williams all had tremendous days catching the ball.
I honestly can't begin to point fingers at any specific players, but the pressure just wasn't there. When the opposing quarterback gets that much time to throw against corners that are stuck on an island, he is bound to make plays. Add in that the field was incredibly slippery and you have a recipe for disaster.
Third Down Conversions:
The most prominent reason as to why the Cardinals could not sustain a drive is because they were 1-9 on third down conversions. When teams don't convert first downs and put themselves into third and long situations consistently, nothing ever good comes from it.
Offensive play-calling and poor execution are both responsible for these repeated failures. The running game was not there, so the Cards felt forced to pass on way too many third down attempts. The plays were predictable and they were shut down by the impressive 49ers defense. This will definitely be a focal point in practice next week.
Injuries:
The biggest injury of the game came in the form of sophomore defensive tackle Dan Williams. Williams and linebacker Stewart Bradley were both trying to make a tackle when Bradley's helmet smashed into Williams' left arm. He was then carted off the field. Kent Somers later reported that the injury was a broken arm. This will likely be a season ending injury, leaving David Carter as the only active nose tackle on the roster.
The other injury was a concussion to Brandon Keith. The former seventh round draft pick seems to leave games prematurely almost every week at this point, giving more time to the veteran, Jeremy Bridges. Keith will be looked over this week to see if he can play against the Rams next Sunday.
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1 bad game,
against a caliber of defense Kolb hasn’t even faced yet, and everyone is ready to write Skelton off? He’s still won twice as many games as Kolb has this season, face it Kolb was a win now type of deal, so since we aren’t winning now, it’s time to move on from the Kolb expirement, he will never be better than inconsistent.
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Kolb started against Pitt and Baltimore. What are you talking about has not faced a high caliber defense? look at the stats from those 2 games and compare them to yesterdays game…… not even close
Frisco's D
Is playing way better than Baltimore or The banged up front 7 of Pitt Kolb faced and are stacked with far more up and coming talent to to complement the best LB in the game..
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 21, 2011 9:03 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Kolb wasn't win now
Anyone who thought that just wasn’t paying attention. Guy had 7 starts before coming here, only 3 more than Skelton, had no offseason, and is running an entirely different offense. Everyone hoped we could win this year with him because of the weak division, but no one should have expected him to come in and lead the Cards to a 10-12 win season his first year (I predicted 7-9 wins myself). And considering the guy’s still had less than a full season’s worth of games (with several 300 yd and 100+ QB rating games), giving up on him now would be worse than foolish, it’d be idiotic.
And both Baltimore (2nd) and Pittsburgh (4th) defenses are higher ranked than SF’s (8th) in yds allowed per game, while SF leads in pts allowed. They’re definitely the same caliber.
by CardsFan1976 on Nov 21, 2011 12:07 PM MST up reply actions
I agree
Ravens and Steelers have really really good defenses. Insom, you are crazy. 49ers may be playing a hair better if that is how you see it but either way those 2 teams are elite. Just look at the players on their defenses and tell me they aren’t going to play very well….
Insom, I think that is the point
Skelton has only looked mediocre against poor opponents and now that he has faced a legit defense he looked like Derrick Anderson out there… Maybe even worse…. I have nothing to defend Skelton with in this game. I like the guy and am not rooting for him to fail but that game is inexcusable.
This is my first post….i think it’s hard to judge any qb with this receiving corp we have.
by r.s.a on Nov 21, 2011 7:59 AM MST via mobile reply actions
we have one of the best WR in the league who is getting double teamed left and right. someone is open almost every play
Skelton is not the answer
From what I saw of Skelton yesterday he is not the answer at QB. As a 49er fan I didn’t like Kolb because I felt he was more of a system QB than a difference maker and I am glad we didn’t trade for him. But feel that he has got to be better than Skelton, only seen him play yesterday but from what I saw, was poor accuracy and decision making on most of his passes.
Obviously not if dey ain’t getting da ball
by r.s.a on Nov 21, 2011 9:57 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Our QB's can't get them the ball lol
by forget on Nov 21, 2011 10:42 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
The WRs are fine
Fitz is, well, Fitz, Doucet is putting up decent #2 numbers, and Roberts has shown up the past few games. They’re not near the best in the league, but they’re progressing. What’s really hurt is all the injuries to our TE’s, who were expected to take a lot of the heat off of the WRs.
by CardsFan1976 on Nov 21, 2011 12:11 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks for posting
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Drew Brees proves this theory wrong
Sure, we don’t have the best receiving corp but we have Larry!!!!! Larry is better than 99% of the league, he may even be the best (I think he is). Not saying every QB can be Drew Brees but you can’t blame the QB play solely on the receivers. We have line issues too…..
This is my first post as well
Ignoring the fact that Skelton played horribly against the 49er’s, I personally don’t think Skelton shouldn’t be thought of as a bad quarterback. Like Whisenhunt said, young quarterbacks have ups and downs.
I (and I think many people)believe that Kolb should get the chance to come back from his injuries fully healed and be able to prove what he’s worth with more experience under his belt. I believe that it’s only fair that Skelton be treated the same way, and not be judged by only this game, but rather more consecutive games. Too few games = variables that occurs, i.e. pass protection, weather, receivers, body condition, home/away,defense, etc. play too much of a factor to rightfully evaluate a quarterback. For Example, this particular game against the 49’ers, we were away, we had light rain and played against one of the best defenses in the league(statistically). I believe that it’s not reasonable to judge Skelton’s play on this game alone, because he hasn’t played enough games to compare his performance with other games in a similar condition. The exact same thing can be said for Kolb.
I read an earlier post by someone explaining in detail that statistically wise, Kolb and Skelton were actually pretty similar. So, Kolb could have played fully healthy and he could’ve had the same statistics as Skelton did today. Or he could have had 300 yards and 3 TD’s. Or if we could rewind the clock and play the game over, Skelton could show up and be the guy that rallied the Cardinals against the Eagles in the 4th quarter. We’ll never know. Especially with both quarterbacks having less than a season’s worth of playing time. There’s not much and not enough information(personally, 7games for Kolb and 2 games for Skelton isn’t enough) to guess which Quarterback would have done better using past games as an example.
I personally think it’s best to just watch and see, whoever the quarterback is going to be. That means that whoever starts next week doesn’t get to be treated like god for winning, nor doesn’t get thrown under a tank for losing. Could be a lucky win, could be an unlucky loss. Just take it all in as a good experience for the quarterback, because the Win/Loss doesn’t matter as much now since we’re out of the playoff race.
If I was the head coach, I would start Skelton for the remainder of the season since we’re not going to be playing in the playoffs. NOT BECAUSE Skelton is playing better, But because: Kolb can be comfortable with the playbook during the time. By the end of the season, it’ll be a total of 8 games of experience under Skelton’s belt. That’s 8 games worth of infromation that can be used to evaluate him, even under different circumstances for each game. Next Season, start Kolb, who will be better prepared with an offseason program. If Kolb still plays badly after 8 games, we will have 8 games worth of information for Kolb as well, and we can probably tell better which quarterback should be starting, based on the statistics and factors. But that’s just me.
Personally though, I don’t know if this is true or not, but I thought Kolb came here to be a franchise quarterback. The Cardinals gave away a 2nd Round draft pick and a ProBowl player to get him, which I think most people would agree is a really big sacrafice to any team. The 60 million dollar contract makes it even a bigger dedicated deal for the Cardinals. I thought the Cardinals took Kolb so he could make an immediate impact? I think Kolb should be on a slightly shorter leash than Skelton because Kolb does have 4years? of experience in the NFL, starter or not. I’m also unsure about the things said about Kolb not doing well becasue of no off-season and the need to adjust for a new team. 4 years of looking at tape and holding clipboards and starting a few games gives him more experience than Skelton, so comparing the amount of experience in both quarterbacks in unreasonable, in my opinion. but, I’ve never played competitive football so I will never know all the stuff that goes on in the meeting rooms and locker rooms, so Kolb may really just be struggling to mold in with the team, and it may be really hard to adjust to a new playbook. But and the cardinals sacrificed a lot to get him. Obviously, people aren’t like money, but Kolb should on paper be worth the sacrafice that the Cards made and the way he has been playing (regardless of the win/loss record) he still hasn’t been worth that much, and I think that’s also one of the issues that lingers between the Kolb vs. Skelton debate, the price that each player brings. Skelton failing is at worst a waste of a 5th round pick. But if Kolb doesn’t succeed with in a few years(which I doubt), then it’d be the equivalent of the Cardinals giving away the Eagles at least a 2nd round draft pick, depending on weather DRC succeeds in Philadelphia as well. And I think that’s why many people are so eager to blame Kolb or praise Skelton and be generally be impatient, which is why it’s important to just sit back and watch.
Just my 2 cents.
On an completely unrelated personal note, I’m not saying he DOES, but I FEEL that Skelton does have ‘it’, the same stuff that Tebow has been showing, and Kolb doesn’t. Or if he does, he hasn’t shown it yet. and it was a disappointment that Skelton didn’t play in the 4th quarter, to show if he could pull of a 4th quarter drive like he did the past 2 games with his ‘it’. It could have been a great opportunity to bring back (or complete lose, if he threw another pick) trust and the heart of the fans should he have staged a comeback.
Wow, pretty big first post there
you make some good points, so ill just note some things i disagree with.
First off, i will have to disagree that we should start Skelton the rest of the way. It has nothing to do with either quarterbacks play so far. We have Skelton for at least two more seasons after this for very low cost. Kolb on the other hand, could cost us a lot of money very shortly. We have to find out what Kolb can give us as soon as possible, so that his contract won’t potentially burn us. Let Kolb get comfortable and learn this season with no pressure of playoffs. We have to evaluate Kolb now, because if we let him sit, we won’t know if his contract is worth the money we gave him. With Skelton we can afford to wait and let him develop because of low cost and team control (I’m pretty sure he’ll be an RFA after two years, and we can easily resign him).
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by GreaZzy on Nov 21, 2011 11:24 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Foolishness
You let Skelton not Kolb learn the rest of this season, Kolb is the one that dug the hole the Cardinals are in….this game proved when our Qb plays bad the whole team is dragged down even with the D playing lights out for FORTY FOUR minutes
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Nov 21, 2011 11:31 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
The defense has played better coincidentally at the same time that Skelton has started
In the Baltimore game (the last game Kolb started), we saw a half of that Defense, and then the whole team started to suck. Skelton has been playing with a much better defensive group supporting him. We have to let Kolb play with this defense.
And regardless, how does the position the cards are in now effect the fact that we have to evaluate Kolb now? Kolb is being payed a lot of money, and we have to find out if he deserves it, and if he doesn’t, we have to cut him and move on.
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Absolutely
If the D had played the entire season like they have the past 3 games, we’d have at least 3 more wins right now.
And you’re right about Kolb – his big salaries kick in in 2013, so we have the rest of this year and next to figure him out. Skelton is here through 2013, so there’s plenty of time for him to learn and get his shot if needed. Figuring out Kolb is the higher priority.
by CardsFan1976 on Nov 21, 2011 12:24 PM MST up reply actions
well said
Skelton is not going anywhere and we can wait with him. Kolb needs to start as soon as he’s healthy and ready
by CanadianCard on Nov 21, 2011 3:24 PM MST up reply actions
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Thanks for posting.
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Welcome to the site
I personally don’t think Skelton shouldn’t be thought of as a bad quarterback.
Good first post in general. Can you rephrase the block quote above? You lost me with a don’t, shouldn’t, and bad all in one sentence.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Nov 21, 2011 12:41 PM MST up reply actions
My negative
Is more of a continuing negative that popped up again in this game. I’m tired of hearing Whiz say “the plays were there, we just didn’t make them” after every single game. You know, after a while, you have to realize that the players aren’t making the plays for a reason, and start figuring out and calling the plays the players can make instead. Stop expecting young QBs like Kolb and Skelton to make the same plays that Warner was able to make and tailor the offense to their skills like Fox is doing in Denver.
Calling so many passes and so few runs in a close game like this was at halftime is a perfect example of Whiz’s refusal to modify his offense to fit the players, and that might eventually be what costs him his job.
This is so silly
Is too much to ask Skelton to be able to hit a square in??? These aren’t hard throws that he’s missing!
It’s amazing how you can blame whiz, who 1) doesn’t call plays. And 2) has nothing to do with Skelton going 6/19 with 3 picks! Unbelievable.
by forget on Nov 21, 2011 3:43 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
If it were one game, I'd agree
But, as I said, it seems like Whiz says that after nearly every single game. Know what the definition of insanity is? And if your QB is inaccurate (which his ~50% completion percentage would indicate) shouldn’t that mean he shouldn’t be throwing that much in the first place, since you know he’s likely to miss?
Tebow can’t hit the broad side of a barn either, so Fox has adjusted the offense to that. There hasn’t been much evidence of Whiz doing the same for Anderson, Hall, Skelton, or Kolb. If you have seen signs of that, please let me know.
by CardsFan1976 on Nov 21, 2011 6:01 PM MST up reply actions
We haven't been able to run!
What do u want us to do? Skelton can’t run like tebow, and even if he could, that’s not the way you win!
I don’t think you know how this works…this isn’t madden, you can’t just run all of the time lol
And also, Skelton has made plays in the last few games, why is it so crazy to think he could do it again? You’re really grasping here.
You’re just looking for ways to blame the coach. Think about this, could Skelton or kolb win on other teams? Haha no!
by forget on Nov 21, 2011 6:41 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Thought I would throw this out for everyone to discuss
I heard on the radio the 49ers NEVER blitzed during the entire game. So for as much improved as the line looked, this was probably a bit deceiving. The defense coordinator admitted they never blitzed one time. Skelton just made TERRIBLE decisions and I don’t have an excuse for it when they don’t even blitz at all. I don’t think I have ever heard of this before…. Seriously…. 4 man rush 31 times 3 man front 6 times.

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