Should The Arizona Cardinals Target Stevie Johnson In Offseason?
by Alex Mann on Dec 15, 2011 11:34 PM MST
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PrintExtremely long shot here but after I've been shot down about DeSean Jackson and a few other young talented WR's I decided I would throw this up. Steve Johnson's contract talks have fallen apart in Buffalo, and not because of money issues apparently. He is asking for a five-year, $9 million a season, something that is great for one of the leagues top tier WR's in the league.
I know it's a long shot because 1) We NEED TO RESIGN CC and 2) There's a few people saying we have about a 7 million dollar cap room. (According to Darren Urban we have about 6-7 million more).
A few drawbacks I see is that he is immature, (a little time around Fitz and a couple of beltings he'll be fine), and the other one is he drops passes (Steelers, Jets) Other than that he seems like he could be a solid pick up for us and it'll give us that dangerous number 2 man we all want, and a dangerous 3 and 4.
So wada you think... Should we get Stevie Johnson??
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He's actually pretty sure handed
The problem is that his drops have come at inopportune times. Everything is relevant to price though. While i would love to have him on the Cards, i feel like we can get just as much talent from a WR in the draft, depending on where we take them
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You beat me too it
I didn’t know the numbers that he was commanding. I feel like 9M per season is too much money for him. If we were going to pay the WR2 that much we’d have kept Boldin. I’m not opposed to paying 5M a year, something like Breaston’s contract with the Chiefs, but 9M is just too rich for me at this point, go to the draft if it’s worth that much.
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+1
Not worth it to sign someone like Stevie for 9 mil…. Find a cheaper option or just draft a receiver IMO. We can’t afford to pay a WR 9 mil.
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If we were to go the draft route
and we continue to win out given our draft position at that time…and we were to pick up a WR in the first round. I’d go with Alshon Jeffery from the Gamecocks. Big man, Hes got hops, and the highlights I’ve seen got hands like Fitz. Personally I’d want Vontaze Burfict next to D-Wash and between Scho-Cho, and build our OL and WR through FA. We say it every year but THIS D is going to be a terror next season.
Good choices
I am not sold on Vontaze like some are but I don’t think Jeffery will be at our pick since we continue to win games.
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Especially given the recent trend of WR in the draft
Julio Jones was supposed to be a mid first round pick, and jumped all the way to 6th. Teams are desperate for impact WR, which may help us by pushing back some very good players which should have been drafted higher
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Julio's draft stock was also helped by a freakish combine
At 6’3 & 220lb he ran a 4.34 40, good for 2nd fasted among WRs… with a fractured foot. If the Falcons didn’t trade up to get him, he would have likely slipped out of the top 10
by cardinalbrown on Dec 16, 2011 5:12 PM MST up reply actions
Im not sure the browns would have passed on him
they desperately need WR help. And this year WR is the biggest need on at least 3 top 10 teams, Rams, Jags, Browns, along with other teams needing WR help, but not necessarily as their number 1 need. I see possibly 3 WRs going in the top 10 this year
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Blackmon is def a top 5 pick
I think Jeffrey goes in the 8-12 range. Depending on interviews, Floyd could go anywhere from mid to late 1st. I forsee some great discussions with you over draft prospects over the next few months
by cardinalbrown on Dec 16, 2011 7:27 PM MST up reply actions
Oh no,
Vontaze is the real deal, and will change the identity of our defense, he will bring the nastiness we are lacking at LB
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Dec 16, 2011 6:57 PM MST up reply actions
I don't like vontaze
He might be the most overrated player in the country. He’s been worthless this season
by forget on Dec 16, 2011 7:44 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I think
with the right coaching, Vontaze could be a beast. With a good state of mind, his athleticism could be a force on any defense, the only problem is getting him to that state. He’s fallen quite a bit on most draft boards because of his play this season, he’s been struggling to find a balance between agression and passivity, i hope he can find that balance. (Unless he plays for the Cowboys, Eagles, or 49ers).
As one of my friends said “He ain’t perfect, but he’s Burfict, you gotta see what you can get”
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You can't build your o-line through free agency
Not many teams let good o-lineman go.
by forget on Dec 16, 2011 7:45 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Also, Rec'd the post
This will be interesting to see what others think.
Stucky gone next year? Better youngsters waiting in the wings?
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I personally like Stuckey.
I believe he could be a good WR in this league given the chance. It may just be bias since he came from Clemson. Given the chance we should negotiate a deal with Johnson and if we get a shot @ Blackmon during the Draft, let them battle it out in Preseason and cut Johnson if Blackmon is better.
Rather build the line
Or the defense before grabbing a WR or RB
by Jesse Reynolds on Dec 14, 2011 7:26 PM MST up reply actions
Well I don't think the D needs to be built. Solid LB corps and many of them can be potential greats.
CB’s will be good too considering we’ll have Toler back and maybe DRC if the Eagles let him go. But I do agree, we need to solidify our Tackles before we get a WR. I think we’re set at RB with Wells and maybe possibly Williams. But if FA is void of any good Tackles then we should get a WR and draft Tackles.
The Eagles are letting go DRC?
Even if they don’t, we’re still set. Like you said, Greg Toler will be back, and AJ Jefferson and Patrick Peterson have improved a ton this season.
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They didn't resign him when we traded him.
That’s why he was allowed to practice when other traded players and FA’s weren’t allowed to.
They didn't resign DRC because he has a real cheap contract good through 2012, with a player option for 2013
We didn’t trade DRC when he was playing at a ProBowl level so it makes sense why they didn’t resign him right away. Given how he has preformed so far, good move by the Eagles FO. Regardless, DRC is still worth the 1 year – $1.13M deal plus a $650k player option in 2013 (my guess is he’ll opt out).
by cardinalbrown on Dec 16, 2011 5:23 PM MST up reply actions
If we are going to play Steelers defense we need to stack the shelves just like they do
I understand wanting to have an explosive offense but our depth on D is pretty thin.
by Jesse Reynolds on Dec 14, 2011 10:25 PM MST up reply actions
I don't think DRC comes back under any circumstances
He doesn’t fit the bill for the kind of physical CB that Horton wants, and lacks any kind of decent work ethic. Monster talent only gets you so far.
I think the biggest needs are obvious: OL, specifically Tackle on both sides. Depth on the D Line, Depth at OLB, Depth at WR.
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I would agree on the positions
but would probably argue that we need to draft starters at OLB and WR. Acho has been good all year, but we can’t rely on Schofield to be a starter. Find a solid OLB who can challenge Scho, if not take his spot. And obviously, we need a #2 WR, because Roberts hasn’t shown consistently that he can be that guy.
DLine depth is definitely another need though. Can’t have Dockett and Campbell playing ever defensive snap. Or if one of them gets injured, we have no adequate replacement
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No doubt those are needs but...
We need an OT that can actually protect the QB. Our defense has been solid past 5-6 games and now we need to make the offense solid. Starts with protecting the quarterback there.
While I agree,
that DRC doesn’t fit the mold Horton may want, there is no denying Horton has this defense tackling better at every level. I think he could coach the risk taking out of DRC and make our D as dangerous as ever.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Dec 15, 2011 6:06 PM MST up reply actions
DRC deserves second shot.
Signing DRC to a one, possibly two year deal would give us another chance to see how he improves. A lil time with Lott and a lil time with Horton could be beneficial to him. Toler, PP, DRC, Wilson, and Marshall… Can you say beast Secondary?
Only reason I say Marshall as a FS is because we’ve seen him back there and he’s been good.
i think we need to go pass rusher in the first round
if there are no elite tackles left.
haha what do you think the odds are of Levi Brown starting at LT next season??? since we aren’t picking as high in the draft, we could miss out on the best tackle prospects….Levi might have one more run left in him! lol
Well hopefully we get one or the other
by forget on Dec 15, 2011 7:16 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Brown has been rock solid as of late,
but he will have to take a paycut to hang around.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Dec 15, 2011 6:07 PM MST up reply actions
Ya he's definitely not good
Bit he isn’t bad either lol.
by forget on Dec 15, 2011 7:18 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I still wonder about moving him to RT and paying him RT money...
if he would agree to that, we would only have to fill one hole at tackle. And he probably needs to face it, he’s not gonna get the LT money on the free agent market after what he has done in AZ.
Not a lot of elite 3-4 pass rushers in this draft class though
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No way Levi is tackle next year.
I bet he gets cut as he isn’t worth the amount of money he’s going to be getting paid next year. Think it’s something like 8 mil.
They can restructure the last year of his deal.
It would be advantageous for him to do so, he won’t start for any other team except the cards.
by forget on Dec 16, 2011 11:03 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Actually Levi's cap hit is nearly $17M in 2012
No way in hell he is going to be back for that much. Now 1 year for $8M is an offer that may get him. That’s a ton of money for an underperforming LT but I believe you’ll start to see a huge increase in veteran FA contracts (already started to see that in 2011 under the new CBA). Levi is a tough case to judge because is his very good at run blocking, terrible at pass blocking, and great at committing false starts.
by cardinalbrown on Dec 16, 2011 5:29 PM MST up reply actions
Thank you I was reading down through here and finally someone stated the obvious.
Levi gone = more cap space.
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If he wants 9 mil a year he will also want some guarantees.
Therefore the idea of negotiating a contract for him at that price then cutting him would not work.
I wonder what happened to Williams,
he was a camp star last season, plus comes with the size and speed to be dangerous down the field.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Dec 14, 2011 7:41 PM MST up reply actions
True...
Apparently the Coaching staff believes he hit a “plateau” last season. He’s on the roster though. If by some anomaly Fitz were to go down, he’d take his place.
Really?
He wouldn’t slip in behind Roberts?
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Dec 14, 2011 8:02 PM MST up reply actions
It's the X, Y, Z thing.
Fitzgerald, Steven Williams and Demarco Sampson all fall into the X category. Roberts, Doucet and Stuckey into the Z category. Y = tight end. They have Sampson currently as Fitzgerald’s back up on the depth chart now. Johnson is behind Stuckey.
Thanks for the correction.
I thought my information was off because we’ve seen Sampson come in more for Fitz than Williams has.
Part of why he isn't active is because he doesn't play special teams either
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Too inconsistant.
Haven’t heard anything solid. That’s as much as I’ve seen anywhere. Kind of sucks because he looked like he had some serious potential. Activating Jaymar Johnson doesn’t look good for him.
I just noticed
that they have Johnson at the bottom of the depth chart behind Roberts, Doucet and Stuckey in the Z receiver position. Could be Williams isn’t his main competition after all.
Well coming off of the Practice Squad is understandable. We did see him on the field once but that play backfired on us.
I want to see him make a catch though.
I had it in my head that Williams was the guy he would be replacing.
Don’t know why other than I’ve been disappointed to not see Williams active on game days.
Yeah.
Jaymar has been in the league longer and has not shown he can be a good WR. I like him as a person and as a team player, but I believe that Williams has a lot more he can bring to the table. Although I’m not a GM so I don’t have to much room to talk about what I see in players hah.
You can never have too many pass rushers,
but I’d rather have Jackson than Johnson,
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Well maybe Fitz,
is negotiable and would be willing to redo his deal to bring in someone that will take all the focus off of him, then again Fitz is still getting it done, and like Greazzy mentioned there are plenty of WR’s we can draft in later rounds; let Fitz groom them; and unless they become another Boldin get mid to second rounders for them when they are RFA’s.
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Juron Criner or Ryan Broyles in the 3rd
I think Criner is going to be a beast in the NFL. Hate that he went to UofA but success in cardinal red with make me forget about that. Greg Childs real late because of knee issues. Nick Toon and T.Y. Hilton are some later round prospects as well.
by cardinalbrown on Dec 14, 2011 10:54 PM MST up reply actions
Broyles is a stud
He’s probably gonig in the 1st round.
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didn't he tear his ACL?
that’ll probably make him a 3-4th rounder
Hey, Schofield slipped to us,
maybe Broyles can also.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Dec 15, 2011 6:07 PM MST up reply actions
Lol I wouldn't complain
That guy could be one of the best slot WRs in the game!
by forget on Dec 15, 2011 7:15 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
McGahee tore all 3 ligaments
and still went in the 1st. Broyles is the same kind of talent. OScho was never a 1st rounder.
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Do u remember Willis at the U???
He was going to be a top 10 pick! Broyles wouldn’t go in the first even if he didn’t get hurt. No one would use a first rounder on a slot guy.
by forget on Dec 15, 2011 9:16 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Patrick Willis?
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Dec 16, 2011 6:59 PM MST up reply actions
Willis McGahee
The man with backwards bendable knees
by cardinalbrown on Dec 16, 2011 7:21 PM MST up reply actions
LoL,
he was good in Buffalo, Baltimore, and now Denver.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Dec 16, 2011 9:29 PM MST up reply actions
I really don't think there is any way that happens
Until MAYBE late into that contract. Right now he is simply the standard in the NFL and he got that contract because he obviously wanted it.
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Please stop with the FA WR talk - this should just not be a priority - The mantra is O line O Line O line
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Dec 14, 2011 8:20 PM MST reply actions
That's Draft.
There are no good O Linemen in FA this year. At least none that will hit the market. And those good ones who will, are going to be Centers and Guards. With how much we fought to get Deuce back, and how much we are paying Daryn Colledge I don’t think we’ll be chasing any of those. There will be viable Tackles in the Draft though and should be able to take over for Brown and Bridges. Although it is my opinion that Levi has been playing much better as of late.
In comparison to how Levi played before
he’s been doing very good. Bridges and Keith have been god awful this year
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He should be getting a lot of credit in some of these wins... I've seen him running down field and making some big blocks.
Over the last few weeks there seems to be less sacks and a lot less pressure coming from the left side.
Even with the better QB play
Bridges and Keith have still sucked. Levi is at least holding his own out there
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Fought to get Deuce back?
I doubt they did so much as fought traffic to pick him up at the Greyhound station after getting booted out of Cincinatti.
Brown has always been a fantastic road grater,
problem is we’ve been passing far too much to play to his strengths, and let’s face it if we let a guy like Brown shove his way downfield early it has to wear down the Dlineman in front of him and help his pass protection.
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Great post
Earlier in the season, I thought the Cardinals needed a #2 WR, because Doucet, Roberts, and co. weren’t taking enough pressure of Fitz, but I’m going to wait till the season is over to decide. After the last game, where three different WR’s got TD’s (Fitz, Doucet, Roberts, and for the first time since 2009 or something), there’s hope in that.
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If he is willing to lower his price I'm up for it
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9 mil a year?
no thank you. he’s a good player though.
looking back on it, how great of a signing would Malcolm Floyd have been? i think we missed out on that one.
Floyd has missed A LOT of time this year.
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Dang you're right, he missed a whole month!
Haha nevermind then.
by forget on Dec 15, 2011 7:13 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I know...
he was on my fantasy team!
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Should have kept Boldin
But filling that #2 slot wont be hard. FA would be intrested in us, if we #1 get our QB possition settled. Kolb hasnt showed us anything yet. Upgrade our line and grab our next SS. Take a hard look at the QB’s comming out.
I agree with you about wanting Boldin in a Cardinal uniform still
But it really wasn’t our choice. Did we make mistakes by promising him an extension in ’07 and not fulfilling our promise? Yes. Did we try to make up for that by offering him a huge contract? Yes. But by that point the bridge was already burned and he was under no circumstance going to resign with us.
I think we are good at QB with Skelton and Kolb. But hey, if Landry Jones slips to us in the early 20’s (very optimistic about the rest of the season) then we should go for it. Kind of like the Rodgers scenario when the Pack took BPA even with an established starter
by cardinalbrown on Dec 16, 2011 5:37 PM MST up reply actions
Really?
I would say that QB and RB would be the two positions we definitely don’t draft this season. We have two young QBs battling for the #1 spot as is. The situation with Favre in GB was different because he was already fairly old when they Drafted ROdgers, and we’re looking ahead to the near future, when they would need a replacement for Favre. I don’t see us needing to find the next QB for a while.
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My point was BPA
I hate to think this because it’s fatalistic, but Kolb has had 3 (maybe 4) concussions in the last 2 years. If this streak of concussions continue, he won’t be in the league long. All my point was you take BPA over need (with need factored in to the draft board)
by cardinalbrown on Dec 16, 2011 7:20 PM MST up reply actions
No need necessary,
If the BPA is a DE we take him.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Dec 16, 2011 9:29 PM MST up reply actions
Alright, i can expect that
especially with Whiz’s new draft philosophy. Personally i don’t see QBs being ranked very high by Whiz and Co. I just want some OLineman, and literally any defensive position
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Maybe we grab LB's
with our first 4 picks, and let each and everyone of them make the most of the limited time most will see on the field.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Dec 17, 2011 9:55 AM MST up reply actions
Finally, a free agent post about a player I actually like
If we can make the cap work, I’d love it. He doesn’t strike me as a headcase — more like he’s out there having fun, and the guy can really play.
by tw3kr on Dec 16, 2011 5:36 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
If we draft in the middle of the pack?
DeCastro should be the pick. Restructure Brown’s contract and move him to RT and then look for a FA LT…Demetrius Bell or Jared Gaither. That could solidify the line for a few years.
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