Good chance Skelton is the starting QB next year
Whisenhunt said from the very beginning that he was a "project" when they first drafted him. They knew he had the physical tools and the mental capabilities of an elite QB, but they needed to get him some experience and work him into the playbook. He can make all the throws, and the accuracy is there, but he has to do a better job of reading the defense. That's going to come with more playing time and experience. Right now though he's a work-in-progress and you really can't expect too much out of him. He has been steadily improving despite not having an offseason (the most important time for a QB to develop), lack of first team reps, and a nagging high ankle sprain which he has kept quiet about (probably why his throws are little higher because he isn’t able to set his feet). If you look at his numbers from last year you’ll see a significant improvement.
Completion percentage is something that people need to take notice. Last year he had 47.6%, this year that rose to 54.9% that an improvement +7.3%. Eventhough those aren’t numbers to boast about, it still shows that Skelton has been improving in the past year. He’s also been taking more shots downfield, and a reason why his average yardage has rising from last year. Something that Kolb has yet to do, or possibly can’t do. Either way, him taking risks have either resulted in a HUGE gain, or a turnover. From the looks of these numbers, he’s been winning most of the battles through the air. Once he gets a hold of adequately adjusting to scanning defensive schemes, he’s going to be much tougher to beat. I think the general consensus for the coaching staff going next year will be that his numbers are expected to improve.
Three things that I would love to see him work on this season would be: 1) his decision making in the pocket 2) being able to convert on 3rd downs and 3) REDZONE efficiency. If he can improve on those key elements, then there is no doubt in my mind that he could one day be a good QB. As of right now though I like what I'm seeing out of him, and he definitely has MORE upside than Kevin Kolb at this point of his career.
I think Skelton's numbers could have been better too, because this year's offensive play calling has been horrendous. I don't understand why OC Mike Miller continues to make stupid decision by throwing it on third and short or when we are close to the end zone. Beanie has not being fully utilized this entire year, and BOTH Skelton and Kolb where throwing the ball when they had NO reason to be throwing it to begin with. In the Ravens game when we had the lead, I couldn't understand why Kevin Kolb was trying to throw the ball instead of running the clock. Mike Miller deserves much of the blame because of his inability to convert on 3rd down and extend drives. Both Skelton and Kolb struggled because of stupid play calling, but Skelton handled the job better that's why they had more wins. I don't know if it was the lack of the offseason, but he really screwed offensive production this year with bad play calls, hopefully this year more player become acclimated and grasp his offensive scheme.
As for Kevin Kolb, Cardinals have to find a way of restructuring his contract. There is NOWAY he should get 10 million for a season that he didn't even play half the time. I’m also concerned with his health, concussions are serious, and they can be detrimental to a player’s livelihood. Kolb doesn’t have the body to take serious punishment, and I think he has a little too much pride in himself to give up. While I do respect Kolb for his courage and his admiration for getting back onto the field, I don’t think he should be pushing his body to its limits. Hopefully, Kolb can find some other way to contribute to the game he loves, but as a QB in the NFL it’s not going to happen. I would think that he would best be suited as a future NFL Head Coach one day.
Last week I was disappointed with the outcome, but I'm certainly NOT surprised. Cardinals should find a way to handle the Kolb mess, and find a veteran QB during the offseason, and then give Skelton the opportunity to compete for the starting job (which he'll probably win). People have to show some patience with this kid because he still young and is only going to get better.
I have a GOOD feeling about next year (as long as Kolb is not starting). Right now though, I just want to finish 8-8, and beat the Seahawks this week, and end the season on a good note.
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I can't believe I read the whole thing.
Although I agree that Skelton could probably start next year, I disagree with your rationale.
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by hevchv on Dec 31, 2011 2:15 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Skelton has a chance, but it's still a small one
And as much as you hate Kolb, he was a lot more consistent than Skelton was.
Keep in mind when you are judging Kolb, 4th year or not, he was in his first year of a system that is totally opposite from what he spent the previous 3 yeas learning. No QB steps into a complex system like the Cardinals have and immediately grasp the whole concept.
I think both QBs have shown a lot of potential, but Skelton is in his 2nd year in this system, and look at the improvement he showed. Kolb will likely show similar improvement next season, especially with a full offseason to prepare and continue to learn.
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Gotta say
I was very hard on Kolb during this season, especially after Skelton got his first two wins. Most people may remember me rambling on about kolb sucks and Skelton is our guy, much like you are now. But the fact is, the more I saw of Skelton, the more he was exposed. And then I started rewatching the Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and Carolina games and I must say, Kolb looks to be the better QB. The Dallas game only helped Kolb in my eyes. I see them competing in camp and barring a complete shit show from Kolb I expect him to win the job. But Skelton is still a very interesting prospect, he has skills that a lot of QBs don’t n just needs to sharpen them a little.
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by cgcardzfan on Dec 31, 2011 9:32 AM MST via mobile reply actions
I disagree on Kolb
Kolb was going into a new system that was completely different from the one in Philly. He also had no off-season to work with, whereas Skelton has been in this system for two years now.
Also, in the games Kolb went 1-6, most of them were extremely close. Then, right after Kolb got injured (For the first time), the defense clicked and started playing like a Top 5 defense. If they had played like that in the first 7 games started by Kolb, we would’ve gone 6-1, easily.
Many fans said the defense clicked because Skelton was QB. The Dallas game proved that wrong. Coming off a concussion, Kolb was rusty in the 1st half, then clicked in the 2nd half, and won the game. So it showed that Kolb could win with this new defense against a good team.
So in the end, Kolb still needs to prove a lot, but at least he showed potential. He wasn’t a completely disaster, he just didn’t match the Tom Brady hope that many fans had for him. With a whole off-season, both him and Skelton will improve a ton. Let them battle for the job in training camp.
Joe Saunders: "They played a really good game, so hats off to us"
Skelton had no offseason to work with,
and Whisenhunt after he was drafted said he should be ready to play this next season. Only time will tell.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Dec 31, 2011 11:27 AM MST up reply actions
Skelton still had more time to work with the offense
Point is, training camp and a full off-season will help both of them. Let them battle for the starting job, better QB takes it. That’s the only way we’ll find our QB.
Unless, of course, we somehow get Drew Brees in Free Agency. But there’s a better chance the entire team will move to New Mexico and call themselves the New Mexico New Cardinals.
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Skelton also had much more time in the offense than Kolb
And during the lockout, he was working out with Fitz and the rest of the guys in the workouts they set up
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And Kolb also isn't used to Fitz's type of receiving
Coming from an offense dominated by DeSean Jackson, who’s a speed receiver. As he spends more time with Fitz, Kolb will become more used to his style of playing.
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Nice article,
bring on the hate….
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I don't have a problem with the post
But not mentioning the defensive improvement as reasoning behind Skeltons record takes it down a notch for me. All I expect next season is an open competition. if Kolb can’t win out the job he doesn’t deserve it in the first place. I just want SOMEONE to emerge as a legit QB so we can sure up the rest of our holes.
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At this point Skelton is the better QB.
If you rewatch the game tape you’ll see that the degree of Skelton’s throws where much more difficult than that of Kevin Kolb’s. Skelton had more picks because he was taking more shots down field, something that we didn’t see alot of Kolb doing this year. Kolb was mainly throwing to his outlet recievers, and throwing short intermediate routes. He wasn’t throwing 20+ yard darts like Skelton had been doing all season long. Overall, I think Skelton has much more upside than Kevin Kolb. He just needs an offseason to improve his skills.
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It doesn't matter to me
He plays borderline terrible for almost the entire game and it forces our defense to play lights out every game, Luckily, they have been. The point I am trying to make is you don’t want your starting QB to struggle through 75 or more % of the game before he can start putting points on the board. We need someone who can keep our offense stable and play for 4 quarters. Let them prove who is better going into next preseason.
Kolb wasn’t good enough to prove he was the starter but neither was Skelton. It is pretty even at this point from the sample size we have (which IMO isn’t enough time just yet) so there needs to be a competition. Let’s see if the guy the FO brought in to start for the team is worthy of that role or if the player they drafted is a better fit/QB. I don’t see how the scale could be tipping toward Skelton. I think things are dead even and whoever is better will get the job.
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7 ypa for Skelton 7.7 ypa for Kolb
Taking more shots down the field doesnt really matter if they fall incomplete.
I really like Skeltons potential so I’m not a “hater” but I still think he has a way to go before he beats out Kolb as starter.
by Birdman from Mesa on Jan 1, 2012 1:08 PM MST up reply actions
+1
Kolb also has a 13.4 yards per completion number, Skelton’s is 12.6
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It matters to me
Being able to finish in the 4th Quarter is important to me, because it shows that the QB isn’t going to get flustered no matter how far behind the team is. It just takes one quarter for a QB to turn the entire game around, and the way that Skelton’s been doing it in the 4th Quarter speaks volumes of his potential and his maturity as a QB. We need a player who can lead 4th Quarter drives at the end. Kolb showed me time and time again, that he can’t handle the position in situation when the game is on the line. As I’ve said before once Skelton has a full offseason to fully develop as a QB he is going to significantly improve. Besides, look at other 2nd Year QBs they aren’t doing too hot either (mainly because they didn’t have an offseason either). Skelton, Bradford, McCoy and Tebow aren’t exactly lighting-up numbers either. The only difference is that we got him for much cheaper, he came from an FCS school, and he has the most potenital.
We just have to be more paticent with him, and hope that everything pans out for the best. So far though, Skelton is making good stride and progressions in the passing game.
Keep it real!!
But then technically isn't Kolb 1-0?
Because he’s only played one game with this new defense.
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No he's 3-6
Only because Skelton came in the San Fransisco game, and bailed him out after he got hurt, but since Kolb started that game he’s going to be credited for the win. Technically he’s 2-6, but officially he’s 3-6. Both of the games that he did win were unimpressive, and we should have lost both of them. For those of you expecting an improvement from Kolb…. not going to happen. Sorry, but he’s already in his 5th year and has done absolutly nothing to show for it, except for a couple of unimpressive 300 yard games, and concussions which sidelined him most of the season. The guy can’t even keep healthly throughout a season, and he is not a dependible or reliable QB that we can count on to win game. This guy should already be in the PRIME of his career and from what I’ve seen out of him, this is the best he’s probably going to get.
Main difference between Skelton and Kolb is that Skelton is making mistakes that 2nd year players usually make. Kolb is making mistakes that you typically see out of rookies and 2nd year players. This team need as new direction and its obvious that Kolb isn’t the answer.
Keep it real!!
So what does Kurt Warner's comments about this offense mean to you?
If you hadn’t heard them before he has stated that it takes a full year to really feel comfortable in this offense we run in Arizona. So Kolb had no offseason and now has had 1 year. Let’s just see how he looks next year. It is pointless to argue with you though because you continue to say nothing about the defenses impact towards the mid-end of the season. And either way I think the coaching staff is going to have an open competition, if not slightly leaning toward Kolb anyways. I just want to see someone play well enough to be a respectable starter. Both Kolb and Skelton did not show me that this season.
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Fair, but it still doesn't validate your argument
Skelton is a 2nd year player. Kolb is a 5th year player, his skill set should be much more refined at this point of his career. Learning the playbook does require some time, but overall skill is what really matters at this position. Seeing how Kolb already had 4 offseason, and Skelton hasn’t even had one, you’d expect Kolb to blow him out of the water. The sole fact that were even having this conversation is stupid on Kolb’s part, because this job should have already been his. Instead we are going into next season with an open competition.
It is also much more difficult for a rookie not having an offseason, and learning to adjust to the pace of the game. Than it is for a season veteran, like Kolb, to come into a new offensive system. Besides, we can practically make the same argument for John Skelton being that Mike Miller was given OC responsibilites on February 16, 2011. He could of made some changes to the playbook that Skelton isn’t familar with, or wasn’t comfortable with. You see guy like Cam Newton and Andy Dalton tearing it up (guy who didn’t have time last season, or spend any time with the offense) in the NFL and you look at Kolb a 5th year veteran QB who can’t even hold his starting job. That’s just sad….
Either way, the Cardinals front office dumped Kevin Kolb on Whisenhunt’s lap and forced the trade to send a 2nd round pick and DRC. Even Whisenhunt himself said in a press interview that he first didn’t endorse the trade, because he didn’t believe trading an elite Pro Bowler for an unproven backup QB.
Cardinals made that trade for one reason and one reason only: To resign Fitzgerald. Let’s face it, Fitzgerald is the only reason why the Cardinals HAD TO make the deal to begin with. They had to find a way to appease Fitz and making it more appealing for him to stay. Otherwise, we’d be seeing Fitzgerald leave someone else. He is the golden goose and the reason why so many fickle fans even go to the games. Without him Cardinals would have had a much harder time selling out tickets. The Kolb trade was NOT a coaching decision, it was an executive decision.
Either way, Fitzgerald seem to be leaning on the player that can get him the ball, and that’s seems to be John Skelton. Also keep in mind that Whisenhunt drafted John Skelton, he didn’t draft Kevin Kolb. Its obvious that Whisenhunt feels more confortable with Skelton than he does with Kolb playing under center.
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This
The sole fact that were even having this conversation is stupid on Kolb’s part, because this job should have already been his. Instead we are going into next season with an open competition.
You see guy like Cam Newton and Andy Dalton tearing it up (guy who didn’t have time last season, or spend any time with the offense) in the NFL and you look at Kolb a 5th year veteran QB who can’t even hold his starting job.
is right on the money, IMO.
I don’t know about the complexity of the NFL, but you see rookies QB’s doing a respectable job and you have to wonder if having no offseason is starting to become an excuse.
Kolb did do well in the Dallas game, however, and were it not for the injuries he might (probably would) have kept on improving. But for the money paid, I think more must be produced by Kolb. Skelton should be given a longer leash than Kolb because of the difference in their contracts, and age.
What happens when next season Kolb does get the start, doesn’t play well with an offseason to learn whatever he needs to learn and a healthy body? He has no excuses left, just a greatly overpaid average quarterback… next year is crucial for Kolb to succeed or the organization will try to build around Skelton, if he keeps on progressing.
The rookies also had more time to actually learn the offense than Kolb did
They got their playbooks right after being drafted, and they were able to work with their teammates to learn it.
Kolb didn’t get his playbook until a couple months later. Big difference.
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Rookies had to adjust to the NFL,
Kolb did not…Wish or Wash take your pick…
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Jan 1, 2012 12:17 PM MST up reply actions
What I am saying is that the rookies had it easier because they actually had more time to prepare.
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I know that appears to be logical
Kolb has been around longer, should know how to play the game, etc. But every QB, coach, scout and “expert” talks about chemistry and knowing the system. Very few QB’s can step into a system with no chemistry with their WR’s and no knowledge of a system and thrive, especially a system that can be as complicated as ours can.
Chemistry and grasp of the offense make the QB. Having 1 year like Skelton had, or 4 months like Dalton and Cam has a bigger impact than you recognize.
Does it mean Kolb will do better because of an off season? I think so, can he beat out Skelton? Guess we will see.
by Jesse Reynolds on Jan 2, 2012 12:30 AM MST up reply actions
If you want to say no offseason is an excuse
The rookies still got the playbook sooner than Kolb did because he was traded later on in the shortened training camp. I know Kolb hasn’t played well enough but I am giving him a year because of what other QBs say about our system who have played here. I agree next year is crucial for Kolb to succeed it really is a make it or break it year for him. All I am saying is they had more time to learn the offense (and they run a MUCH simpler offense than we do).
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You mean Kurt Warner,
and he is the only one. Kolb sucks, that is all.
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I am going to laugh if he is good next season
And you have to eat crow. Not saying it will happen but it is going to be hilarious if it does.
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Nah,
he won’t start next season.
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Thank you,
Trading for Kolb had to be Excecutive…but you may as well give up the Kolb supporters have every excuse you can think of to justify his dismal play. PP won the game against Carolina and Jason Garret refused to win. It wasn’t like Kolb took charge and just dominated either.
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How has Kolb's play been dismal?
Its been less than we expected, but he’s played as well as Skelton has.
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Which is pretty bad considering,
We’re talking about a fifth year veteran comapred to a second year project…
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and he has played better than Kolb,
even Wolfley now admits he has earned his shot at the top spot on the depth chart.
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He has earned a shot
But earning a shot doesn’t mean he will necessarily win the starting job. It means that he has played well enough to battle with Kolb next season for the starting job out of training camp.
Yes it is impressive for Skelton to be playing this good already, and Kolb has been disappointing in accordance to the amount of hype he got. But those circumstances don’t make Skelton clear cut better option. Let them fight for the starting job next season, and let the best QB win
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They both have upside but I have to say this WHO F'N Cares! JUST F'N WIN!
Winnnnnn! Justtttt winnnnn! Nothing really matters in the NFL other than that!
by Punisher3190 on Jan 2, 2012 12:54 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Whisenhunt already knows who he's going to start next season
This game is very remincent to 2007-2008 season when the Cardinals played their backup QB in Kurt Warner after Leinart broke his collar bone in a game against the Rams. Warner took command of the offense and this team went a respectible 8-8 season. This is a VERY similar situation. I think Whisenhunt will be smart to say to his coaching staff and the media that there will be an open QB competition going into next year, but not name a starter till after the preseason. Most fans probably have it in the back of their mind that Skelton will probably be that guy going into next year. Top priorty going into this offseason is restructuring Kolb’s contract and insuring that Calis Campbell gets his payday because he’s a free agent after the season.
Keep it real!!
by AZ Fan #1 on Jan 2, 2012 1:45 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Kolb's contract is not getting redone. He will either live up to potential in '12 or get cut next offseason
Top priorities are resigning Campbell and redoing Levi Brown’s deal
by cardinalbrown on Jan 2, 2012 11:04 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Can't resign CC,
without reworking Kolb’s deal it’s gobbling up to much cap room for a bench warmer.
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Man you just don't give up do you? I mean what are you trying to prove by hating on Kolb so much? We get it ... you hate Kolb. Let it go!!!
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That's not true at all
Can’t resign CC if Levi Brown gets paid like Larry next year.
by Jesse Reynolds on Jan 3, 2012 8:36 PM MST up reply actions
Kolb may be traded in the off season
Given where the Cards are and the dire need for QB’s in so many teams, the Cards may looking to trade Kolb and recoup that investment (the investment may have been where the Cards were and also probably made ncessary to sign Fitz)
I hear all of you making the agrument that Skelton is not a definitive starter and Kolb also has not proven. Agree that Kolb is in a new system. But the entire idea of signing Kolb was to have a veteran who could land running within a few games and his overall performance before that in Phily was not entirely great. And from a business perspective, when the team is looking at signing other players, losing the big money that has to go to Kolb could be used to sign other players on OL and a second go to receiver if need be.
Probbaly even Fitz, if he had a say, would not complain about Skelton as the starting QB vs Kolb now.
Given there are only three decent QB’s (of which only 2 could start) in the draft while there are 5-6 teams looking for a QB. That may generate a demand where a team may want to take away Kolb for a early round 1 draft pick.
Maybe in the first round there's only three QBs that should be taken
especially with Barkley going back to USC, and RG3 possibly returning to Baylor. But as a whole, this draft is deep with QB prospects. Some pretty good 2nd/3rd rounder QBs that will get taken
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Please like the kid as back up, but give Kolb time in the system. As shown in second half of Dallas game, give him time and good D he will do better. Next year with both backs healthy and improve OL play we will see I feel better accuracy than with John. Face it when John throws interceptions he makes it easy with his poor throws
Last night John once again proved that he isn't ready to be an NFL starter
Still very inconsistent and still having huge luck (also Larry and Defense) on his side that’s constantly bailing him out. I still believe that he can be an above-average starter but there is no sign that he’ll be on that level by next year. None.
Alright Canuck,
let me fill you in, John Skelton has done nothing but get better with playing time on the field. Guess what your boy Kolb is every bit as inconsistent as Skelton. As far as Larry bailing him out, Larry would do that even if it was Josh McCown under center. Kevin Kolb isn’t durable enough to be a starting QB in the NFL, period.
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John hasn't get better
He still has not played a game consistently well for a period of at least 2-3 quarters straight. The passes to Larry yesterday were terrible. In last 3 mins of the 4th, we had a chance for an FG game winning drive but instead, John missed Larry wide open twice and we ended up punting. The 1st one in OT was thrown over him and not in the way Larry was running. And the one handed catch was the one of the worst throws I’ve ever seen to a wide open receiver. He’s been this way in all of his career starts with no shown improvements at all so far.
You may be right about Kob’s durability, but the only way to know for sure is to start him next season.
by CanadianCard on Jan 2, 2012 7:11 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Hopefully some more time with Lott will fix his durability
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Playing 1 respectable quarter does not mean he is improving with playing time.
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by Airwave on Jan 3, 2012 1:59 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
"There is NOWAY he should get 10 million for a season that he didn't even play half the time."
He’ll most likely still get it, there is no sign that he won’t. Injuries are a serious concern but past QB’s in similar position like Schuab were also injured in their first seasons but were still given chances.
Schaub,
was also a machine when he wasn’t injured, same can’t be said for your boy Kevin Kolb.
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He was better in his first year
but he wasn’t a machine. 9 TD’s and 9 Int’s (in his first year with the Texans) doesn’t qualify a qb as a machine
He didn't really break out until his third year with Houston
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Schaub in his first year in Houston:
192/289 (66%) 2241 yards, 9 TD, 9 INT, 87.2 rating, 7.75 YPA in 11 games. Not exactly setting the world on fire.
Kolb in his first year in AZ:
146/253 (57.7%), 1955 yards, 9 TD, 8 INT, 81.1 rating, 7.73 YPA in 9 games. Not exactly setting the world on fire, but strikingly similar.
Schaub was a 4th year NFL QB when he made the switch too. I guess Houston made a HUGE mistake by keeping him around seeing as how he was so terrible his 1st year in a new system.
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by robloosli on Jan 3, 2012 8:11 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
We don't have 3 years to wait.
Veterans such as Adrian Wilson, Larry Fitzgerald, Darnell Dockett want to be in a team with SB contention. It wouldn’t be fair to them wasting their perfectly good years on a QB who hasn’t shown that he can consistently keep his job. Canadian for all that you’ve hated on Skelton for stupidest of reasons, you cannot deny that he progressed significantly over last season. Kolb, meanwhile, has gotten worse every year he’s played and the stats prove it. Right now Kolb is slightly better than Kolb, that’s not saying much seeing how Skelton is a 2nd year player and Kolb is a 5th year veteran. I think Whisenhunt will make the right decision and got with the guy that gives him most upside in the future… hint hint…. not Kolb.
Keep it real!!
First you say that we don`t have three years to wait
and then you say go with the guy that has the most upside in the future. Just go with the better QB, and at the moment their is very little separating these two QBs. Let Kolb and Skelton battle it out in the pre-season and training camp, and go with the better QB.
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LOL
No fcking kidding. Go with the guy who gives the best chance to win. Neither has shown that yet, next offseason will prove who our starter is. I don’t understand how playing at an NFL starter quality for 1 quarter of a game does means you are improving every start. I don’t get these Skelton people, they are exactly like Tebow fans.
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The air is rather thin up there in Denver
must be getting to there heads. But hey, their defense and just enough offense from Tebow might get them to a Superbowl, so what do I know
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The stats actually prove the opposite of what you said
Kolb has not gotten worse every year. You didn’t even look, did you? Haha. His best games have come this year and last.
I also wouldn't really count the week 17 game from 2010 against him because the Eagles had most of their backup players in there with him
No D-Jax, no Maclin, nothing.
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Did all the math with this one
His numbers in 2010 were 115 of 189 (60.8%) for 1197, 7 TD , 7 Int, rating of 76.1, 6.33 YPA
Take out the week 17 game which the Eagles treated like that Week 17 Packers game we had in 09, except Philly didn’t have most of their starters on offense out there (Maclin, Jackson, McCoy, and Celek were all out) and his numbers look like this.
97 of 153 (63%) for 1035 yards (6.7 YPA), 6 TD, 4 Int, rating of 85.2
That looks a lot better to me.
Even in that game, Philly would have won if not for a last minute TD drive by the Cowboys 3rd string QB.
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You go-getter, you
I had an idea from looking over everything before the trade happened and didn’t feel like pissing around with the details again when it was obvious this guy didn’t either, heh.
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More than me that's for sure but I have a kid almost here!
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
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Skelton in his 2 seasons:
2010:
5 games, 60/126 (47%), 662 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT, 62.3 rating, 5.25 YPA.
8 games, 151/275 (55%), 1913 yards, 11 TD, 14 INT, 68.9 rating, 6.96 YPA.
I don’t know if I would call that significant improvement, but it is improvement from last year. I think both Kolb and Skelton are nothing more than potential. Skelton showed some good and bad, just like Kolb. Kolb showed improvement over this season, see the Dallas game as an example. Skelton showed some improvement over the season too. Obviously if Kolb can’t stay on the field he can’t be the QB of the future, but I don’t see how it’s possible to write him quite yet.
As a side note, Skelton is a 2nd year player, but didn’t have to learn a new system this season. Kolb is a 4th year player, but came to a new system that is 100% opposite of the one he spent the last 3 years learning, and is considered one of the most complicated systems in the NFL. Even a HOF QB like KW needed a year to master it.
Next season is make or break for Kolb, and likely Skelton too. If neither of them step up and play better than they did this season, it won’t matter because the Cardinals will still be looking for their future QB.
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by robloosli on Jan 3, 2012 8:20 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Here are Kolb's numbers
2009: 5 games, 62/96 (64%), 741 yards, 4 TD, 3 INT, 89 rating, 7.7 YPA
2010: 7 games, 115/189 (60%), 1197 yards, 7 TD, 7 INT, 76 rating, 6.3 YPA
2011: 9 games, 146/253 (57.7%), 1955 yards, 9 TD, 8 INT, 81 rating, 7.7 YPA
His accuracy continues to fall, and he doesn’t seem to be getting any better. The stats show me that he doesn’t have the physical capabilities to endure an entire season, and his numbers seem pretty stagnate from the 3 previous season. These are absolutely pathetic numbers for a QB; especially for a player that has been in the game as long as he has. I’m sorry Kolb fans, but you guys sound like the dilusional fools that are in constant denial that this guy will ever pan out. It is time to cut our losses and go with the guy that gives us the best chance to win. And as I’ve hinted numberous times its not Kevin Kolb.
Keep it real!!
You can stop now
The stats show me that he doesn’t have the physical capabilities to endure an entire season…
Actually, they show you that he was a backup QB for two of those seasons. Yes, he began 2010 as a starter but the second he went out, Vick took over and Andy Reid never looked back. Not happy that he was banged up to begin the season, but the number of games he played in has more to do with his role on the team than recurring injuries.
… and his numbers seem pretty stagnate from the 3 previous season.
Overall this is true. He was in a totally new and unfamiliar offense in 2011, which obviously has something to do with that. The fact that he was able to avoid a big drop-off in production despite being unfamiliar with his receivers and the offense speaks volumes.
These are absolutely pathetic numbers for a QB…
Simply false. Those are average numbers, at worst.
… I’m sorry Kolb fans, but you guys sound like the dilusional fools that are in constant denial that this guy will ever pan out.
If anyone’s in denial here, it’s you. Your facts don’t support your arguments. Do you just not understand the stats? Compare Kolb’s numbers to a quarterback that didn’t end the year in the top 3 (Rodgers, Brees, Brady).
Alongside all the reasons the sane fans have brought up time and time again in this argument, the bottom line is this: Kolb performed fairly well given his situation. He may or may not have lived up to expectations, but I think we can all agree that expectations were too high for him to begin with, in retrospect. The only stat he posted all year that was “absolutely pathetic” was his win/loss ratio, and it would be absurd to blame all those games entirely on him. The biggest concern with Kolb should be getting an entire season out of him.
Whether you believe he will succeed or fail, it would be delusional to think Kolb won’t be with the team in 2012.
by tw3kr on Jan 4, 2012 3:39 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Kolb performed fairly well...
Only if you don’t consider winning games as part of your performance. This is the key difference. And before you start with “..but the Defense!” Consider that Kolb had the ball and a chance to win or tie in 4/6 losses this season. This is the key point in contention between the Skelton folks and Kolb folks.
And the defense
let up the go ahead score in all of those games when the Cardinals had the lead. It works both ways.
The defense played significantly better in the 2nd half of the season, you can’t deny this. The QB doesn’t win or lose the game by himself, it’s a team effort. You can’t place all the blame on Kolb for losing or give Skelton the credit for winning without acknowledging the difference in the rest of the team’s play.
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Of course neither QB gets all the credit or blame
BUT, Kolb had his chance in those games to make a statement about his leadership and physical skills. And he did not make it. If Kolb comes back and wins vs. NYG, SEA, BAL, and WAS (all VERY winnable), or even some of those games, we ARE NOT HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. Kolb would the the starter hands down. Skelton, for all his demerits, has made that statment. Give him the ball, he will win you the game. Even with the defense and bad offense, Skelton had a key role in all those 4th quarter comebacks, and occasionally played out of his mind, regardless of his poor performance during the remainder of the game. Now, if you could show me that Kolb had been consistently good, but only suffered a few “unlucky plays” in those games (like the WAS fumble), then I could believe you. But alas, you cannot, because Kolb has also not played well for a full game. I keep hearing the Dallas game was his best- do you remember the 1st half?
by tonyman121 on Jan 4, 2012 10:01 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
This
because Kolb has also not played well for a full game
When has Skelton played well for a full game?
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And look at NYG game
Defense let up 2 or 3 TDs in the last 5 minutes. All Kolb’s fault the defense couldn’t stop a JV Jr High team that day.
Washington, the defense gave up yards and the winning score, all Kolb’s fault.
BAL, the defense let up a 3 TD lead.
Any way you look at it, Kolb is no the only reason the Cardinals lost those games. The defense couldn’t get off the field.
In each of those games, Kolb helped the team get the lead, at times, big leads. According to your logic, that makes no difference, as the only time it counts is if it’s the game winning drive. Double standard much?
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Agreed
Really, the blame should go to Kolb and the Defense.
But if Kolb had the defense that Skelton was able to work with during his games, I am very confident that Kolb would have been able to lead some of those late drives.
The team as a whole vastly improved as the season went on, and I feel Kolb would have done the same thing as he got more experience in this offense.
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Again, Kolb IS NOT the only reason the Cards lost those games
But he did not help himself by not winning when he DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. As far as the BAL game- one of those late TDs was a result of Kolb throwing a late pick in Cards territory. If Kolb could sustain drives and score points in the 4th quarter, we win both games. But he did not. And I fully aknowledge Skelton has not had a full game. But it’s apples and oranges. If they’re both going to suck, I’ll take Skelton.
He was hit as he threw and the ball popped up into the air
That isn’t all on him.
Its like when the ball bounces off of Andre’s helmet and gets picked off to me when that happens. Frustrating, but not all on the QB.
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Again, not ALL on Kolb
But a good player MUST take advantage of opportunities. Yes, ONE SINGLE play did not decide that game. If Kolb directs the offense to ONE TOUCHDOWN IN THE ENTIRE SECOND HALF OF THE GAME the Cardinals may have won. If he even directed a few more long drives the Cardinals maybe win the game by running out the clock. It’s also not all on the defense. But you also can’t play the “what if?” game so much. the FACT is, Kolb lost 6/8 games, and in 4 of them, he could have won it. the other two he played so terribly it’s not even worth discussing.
You fail to acknowledge
that Kolb is one of the reasons we had the lead late in those games, and then the defense let the lead slip away. Simply saying that Kolb had the chance at the end to win and failed doesn’t cut it. You probably also ignore that Skelton is one of the reasons we had to come back in the 4th quarter in all those games. If he would play better early, they don’t have to make a 4th quarter comeback. Of course that’s not convenient for your argument, so I see why you choose to ignore it.
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You're both right, imo
We have a fundamental schism at QB that boils down to this: Kolb hasn’t played poorly enough to get his butt kicked out the door, and Skelton hasn’t played well enough to make Kolb expendable. Both players need to show improvement next year and both will have the opportunity to do that. Is it going to be an open competition? I believe it will be a “his job to lose” type deal.
Agreed 100%
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Not sure what your point is
Simply saying that Kolb had the chance at the end to win and failed doesn’t cut it.
Why the hell not?
You probably also ignore that Skelton is one of the reasons we had to come back in the 4th quarter in all those games. If he would play better early, they don’t have to make a 4th quarter comeback.
I don’t ignore it. I even state he plays poorly in the first 3 quarters. But in the end, he gets the W. So for me and other who are results-centric instead of stats-centric, he is passable. I don’t care if Kolb throws for 300 yards. If he has a chance to win but can’t, he gets the L and everyone knows he could have won the game. it IS that simple.
In the long term though
you’d have to admit that you’d want the better statistical quarterback. They simply give you more offense from the QB position. Given a large enough sample, the better QB would very likely have the better winning percentage, all things being equal
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Not so sure
Doesn’t matter how good your numbers look if you can’t perform at your best when the game is on the line. That’s why I like Skelton over Kolb. That’s the ONLY reason, because I don’t think it’s something you can learn.
True,
but good QB’s will keep scoring points when the game is still on the line.
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Not sure where the "double standard" lies
The standard is winning. The standard is perfoming at a level that allows you to win.
Alright,
if someone has time I’d be curious to see the 2nd half, time of posession comparisons between our signal callers.
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+1
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So because some of us support,
Skelton the Qb who played half the season; instead of Kolb who played half the season, that means we are not sane? Goood to know
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Not at all what I said
Skelton supporters have plenty of good reasons to want him as their QB. I wasn’t arguing that point.
lol.
Yeah, I guess all of us who witnessed Larry Fitzgerald post monster numbers in the 2nd half of the season, and this team come back from a 1-6 record are all in denial to who the better QB is. Look, I posted the numbers that clealy show that Kolb has gotten worse each year. His accuracy, and TD/INT ratio are the biggest indicatosr that shows that he is not improving. If you refuse to acknowledge the facts then that is YOUR fault not mine. Truth be told, he did not play like a starter he played like a 5 year journeyman this season.
Simply false. Those are average numbers, at worst
Nah… he pretty much sucked this entire season.
If anyone’s in denial here, it’s you. Your facts don’t support your arguments. Do you just not understand the stats? Compare Kolb’s numbers to a quarterback that didn’t end the year in the top 3 (Rodgers, Brees, Brady).
Why do I need to do that… he clearly was one of the top 3 worst QBs in the NFL. I could compare him to any of the top 3 worst QBs, and they would probably have more respectable numbers than Kolb. lol
Alongside all the reasons the sane fans have brought up time and time again in this argument, the bottom line is this: Kolb performed fairly well given his situation. He may or may not have lived up to expectations, but I think we can all agree that expectations were too high for him to begin with, in retrospect
First of all he didn’t live up to any expectation, he struggled the entire year. We basically had to fall back on a 2nd year player. Second, “expectations where too high for him to begin with?” lol Seriously? He is a PROFESSIONAL QB expecations are always suppose to be HIGH. lol. Kolb just couldn’t handle the pressure of a STARTING QB.
Keep it real!!
"He’ll most likely still get it, there is no sign that he won’t. Injuries are a serious concern but past QB’s in similar position like Schuab were also injured in their first seasons but were still given chances."
Will see what the bidwells will have to say about that…. He’ll get paid, but he wont get all that money. Cardinals have all the leverage at this point, they’ll either cut him or restructure his contract, take it to the bank.
Keep it real!!
I'm quite confident that the folowing 2 things will happen:
1. Kolb will get the roster bonus and be ont he Cardinals next season.
2. Kolb will NOT have his contract restructured.
Skelton proved nothing more than he deserves a competition. Kolb will continue to learn the system, and the best QB in camp will be the starter. Because Skelton has such a low cap number, Kolb’s big cap number is a non factor.
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I am 100% confident these 2 things will happen as well
Kolb is not restructuring people…..
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It's not that he would have a choice
If the team wanted to restructure his contract at this point, he would have no choice, because this year has been a dismal failure for him and his “worth” is significantly decreased from the beginning of the year. Should he stay on and start next year, he will have the opportunity to increase his “worth”. But right now, the Cardinals front office has all the leverage. Why? Because NO ONE WOULD PAY KOLB’S CONTRACT. If the Cardinals cut him, he might make 1/4-1/3 his current contract. Even restructuring to 1/2 would be a blessing for him.
clearly you have inside info about the workings of an NFL front office
How often does a contract get reworked in the 2nd season? I would bet it’s a rarity. As much as any fan wants it to happen, it is extremely unlikely. The Cardinals will still have his cap number next year if they cut him, so it doesn’t benefit them in any way other than they don’t actually have to pay the bonus, even though it will still affect their cap, meaning it is money they can’t pay to another player, so they still lose.
Besides, Kolb hasn’t been given the opportunity to show if the contract is worth it or not. If he bombs next year, cut him. If he is given the chance to start and he does well, what are you going to say then?
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He's had a 1 year audition
It’s not that he hasn’t had any opportunity. He’s had 1 FULL NFL season. Even without the preseason, there were 16 games. Even if you throw out the 1st 3 games he would have had as a preseason, he did not perform. He was injured and could not play.
I’m not stating I would cut him. I would use leverage in his worth to spend less of my money on a guy who may potentially hold a clip board for $65 MIL over 5 years. Now I would also agree that restructuring a contract after 1 season is a rarity. But for the $$ you are paying your QB who will likely play every snap of a season or none at all, it is a big deal. See Donovan McNabb’s deal with Washington last year.
a 1 year audition with no offseason to learn one of the hardest offensive systems in the NFL
The same system that a HOF QB like Kurt Warner had trouble adjusting to his first year. A system that is 100% opposite of what Kolb was learning the last 3 years. Like it or not, this season wasn’t a good indication of the potential Kolb has.
We’ll see what happens in camp this summer, Skelton and Kolb will both be given the chance to earn the starting job. To date, neither one has done anything to earn it.
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I remember things a bit differently
Warner didn’t necessarily have “trouble adjusting” to the new offense (BTW, more complex than the ‘Greatest show on turf’?). He just couldn’t take a hit and fumbled the ball every other possession (until he got those sticky gloves anyway).
Although I agree that neither QB has “earned” anything- they’ve both been mediocre.
Warner has been quoted several times
that he didn’t feel comfortable in the offensive system in AZ until he had a year under his belt. If that isn’t “trouble adjusting” than I’m not sure what is.
I never said it was more complex than the GSOT, just that it is known as a difficult scheme to learn and master.
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I'm crossing my fingers,
the team wants him to restructure and he doesn’t…That would be like Christmas in March
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Where does it say that?
Who has said the “team” wants him to restructure? Kolb is only guaranteed 20 million of this 63 million 5 year deal. So that is 4 million dollars a year if you do the math. That means the other 40 is performance laden. His cap number isn’t even an impact until after year 2 of the contract (as was designed by the FO).
This whole Kevin Kolb cap debate is silly. When Kolb plays well next season and outright earns the starting spot, will you jump ship like retiree?
by Jesse Reynolds on Jan 3, 2012 8:46 PM MST up reply actions
No one states that the team wants him to restructure
When I said it, I meant “I” would if I owned the team. I have heard no one mention this officially. It is strictly a business decision. If I’m heading into next year between a guy gettting paid $20M and one getting $600K for 2 years, I’m going to hedge my bets and lower guy one to the minimum possible. If I can’t live without the $20M guy, or someone else would pay $21M for him, then I count my blessings and the good choices I’ve made in the past. This is just NOT THE CASE with Kolb. Even if he pans out for us. This league has no guaranteed contracts, opposed to Baseball. He only gets the $20M for the 2 years if he makes the roster next year. Right now would be the time to tell his agent- “take 1/2 or get cut and test the market- see if anyone else will pay you $4M for next year for an average QB who hasn’t been able to play even 1/2 of a season.”
the fact that Skelton is only getting $600k next year
allows the Cardinals to pay Kolb and keep their cap for the QB position at a manageable level.
Beyond that, Skelton has proven nothing more than he has potential. Same as Kolb. Like it or not, both will beon the roster next year, and Kolb will have the same contract he currently has. Best QB in camp and offseason will start next season.
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It's not my money
But that is what I would do. And maybe it doesn’t hurt us to keep Kolb overpaid. But maybe it keeps us from signing CC, or other free agents we need.
I'm not sure what the cap numbers are but they're talking about using the franchise tag on CC if they have to
I have to think we’re okay there. I think Levi Brown’s salary hurts us a lot more right now than Kolb’s because Brown’s is actual salary — a big chunk of Kolb’s will come as a bonus. I think that affects actual cap space differently, but I’m not really sure.
Brown is due almost twice what Kolb is.
Cut him and hand that money to Campbell. Everyone happy, except Levi.
I like this idea
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I don't think there is a single person out there
In the team or in the league, who thinks Levi will get that money. They will restructure his contract, or he’ll get cut.
CC will be franchised if all else fails
and then if Kolb doesn’t live up to his contract after next season, he will be gone, and CC can get a brand spankin new contract. The Cardinal who is very likely to get his contract restuctured is Big Bad Levi Brown. Once his contract is restructure/he is released, CC can take the money he deserves this year
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As long as we keep CC
I will be happy. I really would prefer it this year though…
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Agreed
Do not want another Dansby situation.
by Jesse Reynolds on Jan 6, 2012 1:18 PM MST up reply actions
Kevin > John
Even though I agree. Somewhat. I dont think John Skelton will be the starter for next year.
Kevin didn’t have a full training camp to learn the playbook. And it really showed out there. Yeah, he went 1-6. But John also had the chance to learn the playbook after being drafted in 2010. Give Kevin this off season to learn the playbook before you throw the verdict (ie: hes not worth the 5 year contract) out on him. This article is posted 1 year early unfortunately.
NOW. Did John make a great case for himself to compete for the starting job. Heck yes. Like I said, Kevin, you have this year to learn the playbook or else John will be the starter after week 6.
There’s no way Wiz is going to go out like that. He’ll make the change early in the season. Im sorry, the Cardinals are so much better than the 49er’s, way better. Ken wants to be on top. Tod Haley is back (possibly. They fired the QB coach today. So who knows*) He’ll show Kevin a thing or two. And John.
But I’ll tell you what. This is a good thing to have. The Arizona Cardinals having 2 good quarterbacks for once. If something happens then one can easily take over and step in for the other without missing a beat with the offense/team.
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I beg to differ
While John Skelton did recieve a playbook, you have to remember that OC Mike Miller was only the coach till Feburary 2, 2011.He was only coach for one year, and you have to also remember that he didn’t have an offseason like Kevin Kolb. Kolb had 4 offseasons, the playbook had little to do with it let me assure you. QBs by their 2nd and 3rd year have an understanding of the terminology involved in running offensive schemes. Simple fact of the matter is that Kolb should of done more, because he had a SIGNIFICANT advantage over a 2nd year player without an offseason. Right now I would say that Skelton has much more upside than Kevin Kolb and that’s why Whisenhunt will probably go with the player he feels gives him the best chance to win.
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