Top Five Quarterback Wishlist For The Arizona Cardinals
by Skii on Feb 27, 2011 1:48 PM MST
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PrintTop Five Quarterback Wishlist: *Note*: None of this can be done before the CBA thing is fixed, but I'm an optimist, and I think it'll get done soon
1) Kevin Kolb
I've wanted Kevin Kolb since before last season ended. He's a young QB who's had some great games. Although he's had some bad ones too, his good ones stand out the most. He's a 2X NFC Offensive Player of the Week, his first two starts were 300 yard games, he had a 300 yard game against the Falcons last season (Top NFL team), and the only reason he was benched was due to injury, and Michael Vick playing like, well, Michael Vick. He has a ton of potential, and fits the West Coast style Offense.
The one problem is he might come at a high price. I'll only support trading for him if we can get him for a 2nd Round pick, and maybe a little more (Like a conditional pick). I don't want to trade our 1st Round pick. We've got other needs that can be addressed with the #5 overall pick (Like getting a fantastic pass-rusher). But, if we can somehow get Kevin Kolb for a 2nd Round pick, then I want the Cardinals to be all over this deal.
2) Marc Bulger
Marc Bulger is a FA this Off-season. He was a QB for the Rams, and was decent until the Rams fell apart, and couldn't provide him with the talent necessary to survive in the league. If we can't get Kevin Kolb, I can live with picking up Marc Bulger. He's endorsed by Kurt Warner, and could provide the necessary competition John Skelton needs to improve.
3) Matt Flynn
This may come as a surprise, but I think trading for Matt Flynn would be beneficial. The Packers have Aaron Rodgers, who's young, talented, just won them a Superbowl, all while winning the Superbowl MVP award. To sum it up: They're not exactly worried about the QB position. I'm sure we can get their backup, Matt Flynn, for cheap. Maybe a 5th round pick or something. He had a good game against the Patriots last season. In that game, he threw for 254 yards, with three Touchdowns, and one interception. I think he has a lot of potential, and definitely wouldn't mind seeing him competing for a job in training camp.
I like the idea of Donovan McNabb playing for the Cardinals. He's a veteran who's accomplished a lot in the league. He also lives in Chandler, and has always wanted to play for the Cardinals. He could mentor John Skelton for a couple of years, while giving us some decent play. I know last season wasn't his best, but he still was decent, considering he had to deal with the whole Redskins team fiasco, and had to deal with a Coach who obviously didn't really support him. I personally believe he has a couple of years left in him. He's only one more year older than Marc Bulger. He could probably be had for a late draft pick, but I have a feeling he'll be cut, which is even better.
*Note*: Donovan McNabb will be much higher on this list if he's cut by the Redskins
And
5) Kyle Orton or Carson Palmer
I left these two for last because it's not looking like they'll leave their current teams. Cincinnati has already said that they want to keep Carson Palmer, and Denver said that Kyle Orton is their current starter. But, Carson Palmer has threatened to retire if he doesn't get a trade, and you never know about Denver, which is why I'm even bothering to include them in this list. If there's any chance we can get Kyle Orton or Carson Palmer, I want the Cardinals to jump at it, because Kyle Orton was the league leader in yards for a large part of last season, and Carson Palmer could benefit playing with WR's like Larry Fitzgerald and Steve Breaston. You never know.
If we can't get Kevin Kolb, my first pick, then I'll be okay with getting any veteran, and having them compete against John Skelton for the starting job. The veteran can push John Skelton towards becoming a better player. But, in the end, it all comes down to the CBA getting signed, which I hope happens soon.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Revenge of the Birds' (ROTB) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of ROTB's editors.
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Thought this might interest some people...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/26/mcnabbs-agents-said-trade-or-release-coming-after-the-draft/
I know a lot of people are down on McNibbles, but come on people, he’s 10x better than anything we had last year. I think it’s a good plug and play and gives Skelton someone to develop under. If we bring in Kolb or Flynn, what happens when Skelton is ready to play? Why did we even draft Skelton?
Soo... you'd turn down a QB who could turn into THE franchise
In favor of a 5th rd pick brought in to gradually learn the position?
Here’s what would happen with Skelton: either he develops into trade-bait, or he doesn’t.
I'm starting to warm on Jake Locker, Skii
After watching his combine, and hearing a lot of discusssion on him. I don’t want to draft him at 5 overall, but if he was there for our 2nd round pick, I wouldn’t be opposed to it. I still think accuracy is a concern, but he has the arm strength and Awareness to be a QB in the NFL.
We all bleed Cardinal Red, but most of us don't recognize it!
"It takes no talent to give great effort"--Chris Petersen
I knew his stock would rise after the combine
I’m hearing that he was the best QB there.
I agree, I don’t want to draft him with the #5 pick, but if he drops to the 2nd Round, we definitely need to go after him. It would be a huge steal.
Good chance he'll be there in the 2nd round
With the “sexier” picks of Newton, Gabbert and Mallet ahead of him I think there’s a good chance he’ll still be around for the 2nd round. How did Kaepernick and Dalton do?
"When life gives you lemons, I say f**k the lemons and bail."
Not that great during the passing drills from what I heard
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
How about
Taking Greg McElroy in the middle of the draft….Dude nailed the Wonderlic, but so did many other busts…However this guy played in the SEC…
Not impressed with the wonderlic.
Took sample tests. It just shows how much athletes are pushed through school that so many score poorly on it.
Rec'd
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Nice article
I’m totally on board with 1, 2, and 3. But I almost want to move Flynn over Bulger. Flynn looks great and came from a great passing team. He proved he could perform as a plug-in player to an offense very similar to our’s when it was high flying. He’s younger, and doesn’t have the injuries the Bulger has had.
Section 103, Row 19
An article from Milwaukee Journal Sentinal on Flynn
Looks like with the CBA uncertainty and possibly no QB school for McCarthy and his QBs, they really want to keep Flynn since he’s been there a while. Might take a lot to get him, probably far more than the Cards want to give.
by PhoenicianPakFan on Feb 28, 2011 9:29 PM MST up reply actions
at combine the best qb goes
- ryan mallet
- jake locker
- christen ponder
- cam newton
I say this cause I watched the ball placement and zip and footwork I was disappointed in cam newton thought he will be drafted then be out of the league in 4 years. I am in love with mallets arm. And I don’t know how u feel but for a QB not to throw at the combine is bullshit
The Devil Birds just got cha
by DaCards on Feb 27, 2011 2:00 PM MST via mobile reply actions
I'm hearing the same things
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
But doesn't Mallet have personality issues?
I kept hearing the buzz about his press conference but I’ve never actually had the time to find out what it was about.
"When life gives you lemons, I say f**k the lemons and bail."
He was asked about drug use.
His response wasn’t too impressive apparently. From what little I read he didn’t come off very well at all.
Also heard
he quoted his college stats to an answer about his abilities or something. I don’t know where the clip is. Came off as really arrogant though apparently.
by PhoenicianPakFan on Feb 28, 2011 9:31 PM MST up reply actions
*as an answer to a question
That should have said.
Someone asked him something and he just said something like, “6,000+ yds and 60 TDs. Nuff said” or some silly thing. Again, I can’t find that actualy interview/response so I have no idea exactly what context it was in but I found it interesting considering what others are saying about him.
Would love to see AZ get a good QB, just really dislike Mallett. What would be great is if they could get someone like McElroy or Kaepernick in later rounds and have a bit of time to develop them.
by PhoenicianPakFan on Feb 28, 2011 9:33 PM MST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure they asked him
What he had to say to people disapproving of his accuracy or something.
I don't know
His "character concerns’ could have him sitting for a while.
But he was considered the top QB
In the Draft only a few weeks ago, so I doubt he’ll fall that low. It’s possible, but improbable.
+1
Blaine Gabbert “passed” on advice of his agent Tom Condon. It’s weak. Game tape is more important than throwing against air.
Right!
I find it laughable. Don’t you find it a little strange how Gabberrt is talked about as a top 10 pick by all the pundits? Here’s a suggestion: go over to You Tube and look at Gabberts tape. Let me know if you see a top 10 pick. I see Alex Smith.
Gabbert played in a “Air raid” spread offense. 4 WR’s and a y-flex TE. 16 td’s vs 9 picks. The farther Gabbert threw the football down the field the more the ball sort of hit a wall.
Not to mention
Someone else on here said that he spooks from the pocket way too soon and ends up thowing on the run, where he is much less accurate. You do that in the NFL against NFL CBs and safties and you’ll get picked, or a D-lineman will put your lights out.
"When life gives you lemons, I say f**k the lemons and bail."
Why not?
He may be nearing the end of his career, but he still has a few years left in him. He’s a good enough QB to make us NFC West contenders, and he could provide the leadership and mentoring John Skelton/Rookie QB needs to become a starter. After a few years of being contenders, he retires, and we move John Skelton/Rookie QB up to being a starter.
He did play in the Superbowl, after all. That kind of leadership is valuable.
He also had a good year before he was traded to the Skins
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Plus, while he was with the Redskins
He had to deal with tension with the Coaching staff, and their lack of communication with him (Like telling the media before him that they were benching him).
Not saying he doesn't have something left..
…but this guy is Wiz neighbor for god’s sake. We would have gone after him if we had ever wanted him. AND we don’t. Right or wrong he won’t be in cardinal red next year.
by Punisher3190 on Feb 27, 2011 8:20 PM MST up reply actions
Kolb might take more then a second rounder
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6384866/27679808
I have seen it with Eagle players before. The Eagles want alot for players that have been groomed over the years. An Andy Reid groomed QB is just not gonna come cheap.Just look at the Mike Vick before and the Andy Reid groomed Mike Vick. The difference is night and day. Reid is the best in the business when it comes to teaching qbs. Other teams are going to have to pay for that.
Rules of thumb,
1st. There is never a price too great for a possible franchise QB.You pay the price and grab a qb “Who ever that maybe”. Because its amazing what your team can do with a great QB.
" Everyone misses Kurt Warner"
2nd. You surround the team with talent the next two years. Holes can be filled through FA, trades and multiple drafts. You dont need to win the Sb this year. But you at least want a shot at the playoffs the next few years.
" Just ask the Chiefs and Tampa bay"
Come on guys, Larry Fitzgerald is the greatest WR in the entire NFL . You need to get him someone good to throw the man the ball. Not a bunch of guys that lost a step.
1)Kolb – Dont care what the price would be get him
2)Flynn- Dont care what the price would be get him
3)Orton- I dont think Denver will let him go.
Those are my picks for the Cards in that order. If your looking towards the draft for a qb. Dont bother, The guys in this years draft are just not that good.
by greenage on Feb 27, 2011 5:15 PM MST reply actions 3 recs
You're right
A franchise QB is extremely important to a franchise’s success. I think the reason people are skeptical about the idea of trading our #5 pick for Kevin Kolb is because they haven’t seen the results they want to see. But, I think that considering the low amount of games he’s started, and the number of games he’s thrown for over 300 yards in, and the fact that he’s a 2x NFC Offensive Player of the Week, that’s enough to trade for him.
Matt Flynn would be great too, because we can get him for a low price, and he played great against the Patriots Defense in a game both teams were trying to win. I’m also pretty sure it was his first start ever.
Yea
Flynn looked really good that game. This is where you really hope the Cards front office does there home work. You find your man no matter who it is. Then do what ever it takes to make him your own for years come.
This chart shows what the Draft spots are worth in points.
http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/draft/draft_point_value_chart.htm
The Cards have so many holes all over the team. Plus the need of a qb. If the Cards dont use the draft picks to get a QB from another team. They need to take that number 5 pick and trade back for more picks this year and next. Either way, they need to retool the team the right way. And its not and should not be by using the number 5 pick in the draft. Even though thats the sexy thing to do.
Plus if things dont work out for you this year. Just do what Eagle fans do. Just wait till next year. You never know whats going to happen.
Oh Plus
There are Soooooo many FA this year. Filling hole dont seem like too much of an issue. If your willing to spend the money.
Well, that's a given
None of this can happen with a new CBA, so we’re all assuming it’ll happen sometime soon.
What this bit about "de-certifying"?
Will that prevent a lockout so we can have a season this year? And will everything be settled enough to have a normal season?
"When life gives you lemons, I say f**k the lemons and bail."
No
In tech terms in means no lock out. But the reality is. Theres still no football till a deal is done." Its a lock out" The De-certifiying is basicly instead of having a mediator in a meeting . All meeeting will be done in a court room . Then a Judge can step in and say whats wrong and right. Whos gets to speack and so forth. " Baby sitter" That my understanding of it anyways. Most people from what I hear have this going on all the way till sept.
One thing I'm worried about is if he is just a guy who is flourishing in Andy Reid's system
Along with Vick and McNabb
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Not that I'm saying they are just system quarterbacks
Just worried that they are
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I hear you loud and clear
Hey I’d be worried myself. You just have to hope the front office isnt just looking at the games played but the ability, foot work, desision making skills, smarts, and god given ability of the QB. Before they go ahead and grab a guy. Dont you wish we could get a hold of the game tapes they look at. So we, as fans can make a better judgement on a guy.
I see it this way...
If whiz ad the rest of the staff have seen good things from skelton and believe that he can lead the team and develop soon into the franchises qb then I believe we will get bulger so he can help develop skelton and be a stop gap for a year or two and then skelton take over. Now if we get kolb or any other young qb then I believe that the staff isn’t to confident in skelton because you don’t give up draft picks for someone who you expect to start for a few yrs then hand over the reigns to someone his backup. That’s my take on this qb situation.
by BIGRED CARDINAL on Feb 27, 2011 7:22 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Skelton was a 5th rounder.
He is not the heir apparent or any such thing. If the Cardinals have the chance to bag a QB that can win now they have to jump at it. I don’t think they should trade the #5 pick for it unless they are swapping 1sts, but that is probably a moot point as the CBA doesn’t look like it will get done any time soon. Bulger they probably sign regardless of what else they do.
The round in which he was drafted...
has no bearing on whether or not he is or is not the heir apparent. At times he did look good and you never know seeing as he never got much time with the first stringers due to the qb carousel and the fact that he was playing behind a line which played on a pee wee fb level, he may have what it takes to be a franchise qb. Also he was a rookie who was thrusted into the starting role maybe with some time he can be really good and maybe the coaching staff sees that you never know.
by BIGRED CARDINAL on Mar 1, 2011 5:02 PM MST up reply actions
Maybe, and maybe, and you never know.. exactly.
You don’t bank on a guy you drafted as a project to carry your team right now. Sharpen his learning curve with the potential loss of an off season and where is he at? Backing up a more experienced player just as originally planned. If Skelton is our starter next season the Cardinals are in trouble.
and the season was over...
When Skelton was on top of the depth chart, he showed he can move away from pressure…and a few other things…
The fact that he was the only AZ QB ever drafted by Whiz
makes the notion that he can’t be the heir apparent because he’s ‘just’ a 5th rounder completely rediculous.
Section 135, Row 35
by AJ BirdWatcher on Mar 4, 2011 7:19 AM MST up reply actions
Heir apparent
Means that it’s a given that he is next in line to lead the team. That is not something that can be taken for granted on this team under Ken Whisenhunt. Draft position is not the main factor in that at all. It just seems to me that a lot of people are expecting too much from Skelton too soon. Whisenhunt has been forthright from the beginning about letting it be known that Skelton was not ready, that he only played because the other options were failing. Skelton didn’t get his chance until the season was lost. He didn’t play well enough to merit the belief that he’s “the guy”. He was taken as a project and still needs a lot of work. Could he become a good QB? Sure. Then again maybe he won’t ever develop. It’s too soon to tell. As far as being the first QB Whis drafted, what would have been the point of drafting one sooner with both Warner and Leinart on the roster? Being the first QB Whis drafted with the Cardinals doesn’t make him anything special.
Misinterpretation
I meant more that he will be given the opportunity to be the guy at some point here. But you’re right nobody at the position is the heir apparent and that includes anybody they get this offseason. Hopefully all will compete and the best man will win.
Section 135, Row 35
by AJ BirdWatcher on Mar 7, 2011 5:31 PM MST up reply actions
Hightower
Is all I’m gonna say about your 5th rounder statement….
So many choices
Looks like a good year to be QB shopping. I’m not ready for a rookie QB, but would roll the dice if one slips to the second round. I just hope we pull the trigger on the right guy. The Von Miller You Tube video was impressive. I wasn’t a big fan of some mock drafts until I saw the video. Looks big and fast with leadership skills. Run stopper!!
Wish list
1st round: Von Miller
2nd Round: Kevin Kolb Trade
by Dingers Roadkill on Feb 28, 2011 5:29 PM MST reply actions
just for me skii
because I know that you know that I know you know how I feel o0 … Can you show me an article where Whiz mentions Kolb as someone he’s interested in?
Flynn is interesting, but I think Bulger or Palmer sound more like Rod Graves
Well, Coach Whiz himself hasn't said he's interested in anyone
He’s said very little about the QB situation as a whole (He hasn’t even hinted what the futures of our current QB’s are). But, Fitz has said he’d like Kevin Kolb, so I can give you a link to that if you want.
the candy hearts
very cute
I guess I won’t be surprised to see a big shake up, but I’m thinking its going to be buisness as usual for graves
Becoming more and more convinced...
That it is not even worth talking about. I’m getting the feeling that both players and owners are very content to let this thing go until late August early September meaning trading for someone is out. That would also mean a VERY limited training camp/preseason to go along with the very limited FA signing period. I mean, are you going to sign a Bulger, give him a week or so to learn the playbook and then name him your starter for the year? Why bother?
Next year, Luck, Matt Barkley and probably Landry Jones are coming out and I would take any of the three over any in this draft lot or any available FA’s or trade options. We as fans have to face facts that this team is at the early stages of a rebuilding process and needs to make long-term decisions for the franchise. If you look for short term fixes you find yourself rebuilding every 5 years.
Once a new CBA is in place, then let the speculation begin. But until that time, we have one tool to make our team better and that is the draft. And if this thing drags out, even the rookie class is not going to be much help. We, unfortuately, may just have to grin and bear it and see a repeat of last year, which may not be all that bad in the long run.
by toolman234 on Mar 1, 2011 8:43 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
We're not rebuilding
With Whiz as our coach we will never be in a situation where we are rebuilding. Whiz has said it outright, and if you think about his Pittsburgh background, you will already have this in mind: our goal is to field a competitive team every year. We will be better some years than others, yes, but we have talent everywhere but a couple positions. It just so happens that one or two of those positions are critically important.
Needs: QB, OLB, OL
Wants: CB, TE, FB, P, RB
In my mind, we only have needs in three groups, and while we could benefit from upgrades in other areas, it’s not critical to our success.
Unfortunately, For the most part...
we were not competitive last year. And until you have a QB or a dominant running game or a dominant defense you are ALWAYS rebuilding. We have none of the three areas I just mentioned. Not even close.
Carson Palmer really wants out.
He may be an option after all
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Palmer-ready-to-retire-if-Bengals-won-t-let-him-?urn=nfl-328569
this seems most likely
unfortunately i’m sure the 9ers amongst other teams will be courting him as well. historically, we’ve never been a team to do blockbuster trades which is what I believe this will ultimately come down to. i hope we can get him, we desperately need… well.. you guys already know
by cardsfanforlife24 on Mar 3, 2011 1:18 AM MST up reply actions
I'd be leary of Carson Palmer
Do you really want a QB that quits on his team and then hold that team hostage? I don’t think Carson Palmer is showing any class at all whit his stunt. I am not surprised but I am disppointed that Palmer is getting a “free pass”. I would not want the guy on my team at all. Palmer has played very well lately, incase you hadn’t noticed.
Palmer has stated he wants to play on the west coast. Pete Carroll any one?
He's probably fed up.
I would be too. Some of the worst owners in sports.
He is a huge upgrade though and hopefully he could mentor Skelton in the process.
by Jesse Reynolds on Mar 4, 2011 12:37 AM MST up reply actions
Go watch his game tape
Palmer’s decision decision has degraded along with his passer rating.
Well let's not say
Quit on a team, hell the head coach had a new contract in his desk for well over a year and a half…
Marvin Lewis
Is not the problem in Cincy. The problems start with the owner and Carson Palmer. Lewis wants better facilities (outdoor practice bubble, roster control, etc.). Even the Bidwills provide decent facilities.
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