Taking down the QB: Pass Rushers in the 2011 draft
Arguably the most important aspect of any NFL defense is getting to the Quarterback, rushing the passer, creating pressure. But for such an obvious observation, there are so many teams that still do not have the ability to create consistent pressure on the QB. Rushing the QB on a consistent basis out of the 34 defenseis something the Arizona Cardinals have struggled with for a long time, not since Bertrand Berry in 2004 has a single defender on the Cardinals recorded double digits sacks for a single season. This past season Calais Campbell led the team with 6.5 sacks. Pressure and getting to the QB on a consistent basis is something the team lacks, and needs to address early in their offseason, most likely through the draft during the last weekend in April. But how does one go about finding a pass rusher that is going to get them what they want and not someone who is impressive in some aspects, but then does nothing at the NFL level like recent highly drafted pass rushers Aaron Maybin and Vernon Gholston. This is going to address how to find the guy you want, and eliminate the guys who might cost your team big time.
1: History will suggest that in a 3-4 defense to grab the elite pass rusher in that spot you really need to grab a guy in the first round. There are a few exceptions, but they are not found easily, if one were to compile a list of the best 3-4 OLB’s over the past say 6-8 years, mostly you will find guys who were drafted very highly.
DeMarcus Ware was the 11th overall pick in 2005, Shawne Merriman who had an electric start to his career was the 12th overall picks in 2005. We all know that Terrell Suggs was the 10th overall pick in 2003, we have Brian Orakpo breaking out in Washington he was the 13th overall pick in the 2009 draft. We all know Clay Matthews, he was the 26th overall pick in 2009, Tamba Hali was the 20th overall pick in 2006. Most of the pass rushers consistently at the top of the sacks and pressures lists are guys that were drafted in the first round. Now we have the Cameron Wake exception, Wake is just an incredible athletic specimen that somehow went undrafted through the cracks, no idea how. Then we have the Keith Butler exception (Why he is so highly regarded, and why Pittsburgh so dearly want to hold onto him), Butler a LB’s coach is the only guy who has taken multiple non first round rush LineBackers and turned them into consistently productive players, could be scheme as well, but with Woodley (2nd Round), Harrison (UDFA), Porter (3rd Round) he has three guys that have come from non-first round picks and turned them into elite pass rushers. But depending on definition of elite and then adding in consistency elements, of those top tier pass rushers over the past 6-8 in the 34 defense, if you include John Abraham for his time in New York, 7 of the 12 top tier 34 OLB’s were drafted in the first round, the exceptions being Wake, Porter, Woodley, Harrison and Dumervil, with the latter depending on some consistency in the future after his 17 sacks in 2009 from 34 OLB. If you really want to get your top calibre pass rusher you have to look at the draft, and you have to look early.
2: Testing, now I know a lot of people hate the combine and dismiss it as nearly useless, but the 34 OLB position in particular is one that tests that are often overlooked can come to the fore. Now there are numerous different styles of this type of analysis but mine is based around the timing and measurements of four drills;
The 3 cone drill, in which one must time under 7 seconds.
The Short Shuttle, in which one must time under 4.20 seconds.
The Broad Jump, in which one must record a jump of 10’00” or greater.
The Vertical Jump, in which one must record a leap of 35” or greater.
The Vertical Jump and Broad Jump test a players explosiveness, there is a size factor to this, a 270 pound man leaping 35” is more impressive and explosive than a 230 pound man doing the same. But there are usually a similar size element to 34 OLB’s however there are some adjustments that one can make if a player is close in a couple of elements, but also has a bigger size to say he is just as explosive as one who has gone over my specific thresholds.
The 3 cone drill and the Short Shuttle measure a players ability to change directions quickly and accelerate out of pivots very quickly. It can give a good gauge on what players will be agile and flexible to play in space at the next level and those who are going to struggle to do so, these times are set times, those who get close are noted, but size is not a factor, because a bigger player is going to be expected to be less agile and have less acceleration around corners, and is probably more suited to playing with his hand in the dirt.
To be a really top quality OLB in the 34 defense I would want a player to fit all four of the requirements I set out above. To be draftable 1st round player, you need to fulfil three of the four criteria including the 3 cone drill. To be worth a middle round look you need to fulfil at least two of the four criteria including the 3 cone drill or Short Shuttle. Those who only qualify in one or none of the criteria are most likely not going to make it in the NFL as a 34 OLB, as are those with two criteria filled, but not the 3 cone drill or Short Shuttle criteria.
If we apply these criteria to players in the past who have done well and done poorly, and then compare to those who are in the draft this season we should get an idea of whom the Cardinals should take a look at in the draft, and who the Cardinals should look to avoid if they want to avoid a player being a flop.
3: The application:
The Successful Players
DeMarcus Ware – 6.85 3 cone, 4.07 Short Shuttle, 10’02” Broad, 38.5” Vert. Demacus fits all four of the criteria and has gone on to have a career in which he has so far recorded 80 sacks in his 96 starts, the only season he did not garner double digits was his rookie year when he finished with 8, he has led the league in sacks twice including a year with 20 in 2008.
Clay Matthews – 6.90 3 cone, 4.18 Short Shuttle, 10’01” Broad, 35.5” Vert. Clay fits all four of the criteria, he has played just two years in the NFL, but has recorded double digit sacks in each of them and was arguably the best defender in the NFL in 2010.
Cameron Wake – 7.12 3 cone, 4.13 shuttle, 10’10” Broad, 45.5” Vert. Wake was a star in the CFL and has found the NFL game to his liking too. He fits three of the four criteria and shows incredible explosion, his 3 cone might be a little slow and could be a reason why he is not used much in coverage but his good Short Shuttle time is indicative of his ability to bend and change directions quickly around the edge.
Shawne Merriman – No 3 Cone Available, 4.21 Short Shuttle, 10’01” Broad, 40” Vert. He misses out on filling three of the four criteria by .01 of a second, so he is very close to being considered passable, and with no 3 Cone available he could also fit that criterion. Had a great start to his career before a knee injury post Steriod use stole his explosion.
Brian Orakpo – 7.26 3 cone, 4.45 Shuttle, 10'10” Broad, 39.5” Vert – He misses out because of his lack of special ability, but as a pass rusher he shows the tremendous explosion needed, I would not have gone after Orakpo as a 34 OLB, however as a 43 DE he would have been high on my board.
Tamba Hali - 7.28 3-cone time, 4.31 shuttle time, 8'10'' Broad, 30'' Vert – One of the strange occurances. Hali fails all four of my 34 OLB criteria and likely would have been crossed off my board, yet he had a really huge 2010 season, someone strange, but on my side he was drafted as 43 DE and shows very good hustle and technique at the OLB spot and is not all that good in coverage.
Connor Barwin – 6.87 3 Cone, 4.18 Short Shuttle, 10’08” Broad 40.5” Vert – He is here because I think he could have a huge season in the Texans 34 defense this season. He satisfies all four of the criteria, and will more than likely have the inside track to one of the OLB spots in their defense. He is going to be a good test of my theories.
*Note, could not find data on Suggs, Woodley or Harrison*
Both Ware and Matthews were high draft picks who fulfilled the testing criteria and have had NFL success
The Failures:
Vernon Gholston – 7.12 3 Cone, 4.40 Short Shuttle, 10’05”, 35.5” – Gholston is one of the most high profile failures in the draft of late. And while he has the explosiveness, he fits neither of the 3 Cone nor the Short Shuttle times. He would have been very low on my draft boards according to these criteria as a 34 OLB, but I may still have drafted him highly to play end in a 43.
Aaron Maybin – 7.52 3 Cone, 4.38 Short Shuttle, 10’04” Broad, 38” Vert – Another of the most high profile failures, Maybin tested miserably in the agility and Change of Direction drills and would have been very low on my board as a 34 OLB.
Larry English – 7.26 3 cone, 4.38 Short Shuttle, 8’11” Broad, 36” Vert – Another first round OLB pick that has gone wrong for the selecting team. His 3 Cone and Short Shuttle times are horrible and he tested badly in the Broad Jump over a foot short of the threshold. Not one I would have drafted at 3-4 OLB.
Cody Brown – 7.10 3 Cone, 4.40 Short Shuttle, 10’00” Broad, 36.5” Vert – Our famous bust, the 2nd round pick did not test well in space yet we still drafted the man from U Conn. His times would have forced him low on my board as a 34 OLB.
Robert Ayers – 7.56 3 Cone, 4.47 Short Shuttle, 8’06” Broad, 32.5” Vert – The Broncos were lambasted by many for drafting Ayers into a 34 OLB position and looking at his test it is easy to see why, he is nothing more than a 43 DE, and even then his explosiveness is less than what one would want, would njot have even thought about him at OLB, and probably low on my board at 43 DE too.
Gholston has earned a reputation as the NFL’s most infamous pass rushing draft bust, He tested poorly among my criteria.
The 2011 Contenders:
Von Miller – 6.70 3 Cone, 4.06 Short Shuttle, 10’06” Broad, 37” Vert – My favourite to be selected at #5 overall, he fills all four of the criteria, he was incredibly productive at Texas A&M and should be able to transition to 34 OLB better than any other player in this draft. My #2 overall player in the 2011 draft.
Robert Quinn – 7.13 3 Cone, 4.40 Short Shuttle, 9’08” Broad, 34” Vert – Quinn is a favourite of many, but not me, he fails on all four criteria, and he would not even be on my board to play as a 34 OLB. I don’t think he is going to succeed in space and does not have the Orakpo type explosion to make up for it. As a 43 End still highly draftable.
Aldon Smith – 7.19 3 cone, 4.50 Short Shuttle, 9’10” Broad, 34” Vert – Similar to Quinn, many think he can transition to 34 OLB, I don’t he looks like he is too stiff and his testing proves this, as a 43 End top 15 pick, just don’t put him at OLB.
Sam Acho – 6.69 3 Cone, 4.32 Short Shuttle, 9’04” Broad, 33.5” Vert – He only passes on one level, but it is the most important 3 Cone drill. He is still going be around a 4th round grade on my board as an OLB, but I would still not mind giving him a guy, because of the tremendous 3 Cone and the production he had in college.
Brooks Reed – 7.11 3 Cone, 7.28 Short Shuttle, 9’05” Broad, 30.5” Vert – The local product fails on all four levels, but he IMO is the next candidate to defy the numbers to be a productive pass rusher at 34 OLB, this is because of his hand usage and relentless mentality that he has. Probably a guy I would draft in the late 2nd maybe Early 3rd Round as an OLB in the 34.
Justin Houston – 6.95 3 Cone, 4.37 Short Shuttle, 10’05” Broad, 36.5” Vert – He fits three of the four criteria and that includes a sub 7 second 3 cone drill. He is probably the 2nd best option by the numbers and he has experience in a 34 defense. If someone traded up to #5 and left us at the 15-18 range Houston would be a guy I would consider, though I am concerned about how stiff he looked in LB drills at the combine.
Dontay Moch – 7.09 3 Cone, 4.38 Short Shuttle, 10’08” Broad, 42” Vert – Moch has numbers similar to that of Shawne Merriman, however Merrimans game was based off of pure power and explosion, Moch’s game is based on speed, and he does not really show the COD or agilit
Chris Carter – 6.88 3 Cone, 4.34 Short Shuttle, 9’06” Broad, 36” Vert – Carter fills two of the criteria including quite a nice looking 3 cone time. He is probably a guy we could look at at the top of the 3rd round a maybe get a productive guy in the mid rounds.
Scott Lutrus – 6.89 3 Cone, 4.09 Short Shuttle, 10’01” Broad, 38” Vert – Never thought of Lutrus as a possible pass rusher in a 34 defense until I looked at his times and measurements. The Huskies rarely blitzed their LB’s out of their 43 scheme and Scott is already comfortable in coverage. He is a hard worker and I have no doubts could be a steal to a team drafting him in the 5th/6th round and hoping to convert him into OLB. He has the size and times, and at worst you get a guy you will be able to put back into his natural position inside if it fails.
Ryan Kerrigan – 7.18 3 Cone, 4.39 Short Shuttle, 10’02” Broad, 33.5” Vert – Kerrigan has been bandied around a little bit as a 34 OLB though he is far more suited to playing as a 43 End. He does not meet the criteria and his testing agrees with the notion that he should stay playing with his hand in the dirt.
*Note no 3 Cone or SS times for Jabaal Sheard or Greg Romeus*
Von Miller satisified all four criteria and should be the pick for Arizona if he is ther at #5 overall, on the other hand, highly regarded Robert Quinn failed all four criteria and should be avoided by all 34 teams.
4: Conclusion: The Cardinals need help at the pass rusher position, they need it bad, they have lacked a quality pass rusher since Bert Berry was still in his late prime and capable of racking up 14.5 sacks in a season. If they are going to grab one, they need to act early, they need to look in the first round for the best athletes at the position and snaffle them up. This means that Von Miller really needs to be the #1 guy on their board. He is productive and uber-athletic and the transition he is making is less because of his time at 43 WILL as a sophomore and his junior and senior seasons as a “joker”. If they miss out on Miller, the next best option is to try and get back into the middle of the first round and go after a guy like Justin Houston, who is not as agile or as quick as Miller, but he provides more power than him and might be a more complete pass rusher. If neither of them make the trip here then it is probably best to look to stock up in other areas and look for a developmental guy like Chris Carter from Fresno State or Sam Acho from Texas in the 3rd round, or maybe take a flier in the 5th round and look to convert Scott Lutrus to a pass rushing OLB.
Either or, Pass Rusher is high on the list of needs for Arizona coming into the 2011 offseason and there are not that many quality pass rushing talents in the draft who have the wherewithal to make the transition to OLB in a 34 defense. If we wish to heal the position this season, then early in the draft is the place to find our cure.
Thanking for reading.
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Good stuff
Only 32 teams in the NFL though (says 34 under Von Miller picture). My thoughts on pass rushers are: scheme matters more than players, that is why you see UDFAs such as Wake and Harrison that have become very good pass rushers in the NFL. Wake may be an anomaly because I don’t think Miami has the defensive name that Pitt does, but overall scheme is what matters. However, you still need effective players with athleticism, mechanics, and brains in order to create an effective pass rushing unit.
Also, the combine tests are a bit of a joke considering the only major difference between the successes and the failures that you mentioned were the shuttle times. Otherwise, the data was a bit inconclusive.
Really good article and good research.
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My bad on the 34 and 3-4 mixup...
By reading it, it made me think 34 NFL teams not 3-4 defensive scheme teams. I was just saying that in general, I believe a great scheme is more important than great players. For example, we all know Adrian Wilson is a very good player, but due to a bad defensive scheme last season (and maybe some injuries) he was less effective.
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by Tyler Nickel on Mar 17, 2011 6:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Scheme is important
Scheme is an importtant factor, but when a player is probably nhjot going to be able to perform a task specific to a position, why even consider asking him to play the spot.
Quinn struggles badly in sapce so why ask him to translate into a 34 OLB. Similar to how a safety might struggle to cover in man coverage, do you then ask him to man up on the slot receiver a whole lot.
Common sense, you don’t draft a guy who struggles in space to be a 34 OLB. And basically what these criteria do is take a guy who was a DE in college and has little to no film in space and projects how he is going to fare in space. Quinn projects really badly in sapce, whereas a guy like Acho, Carter and especially Miller all project pretty well in space and at the same time they are all more than capable of rushing to passer.
Are you working
In a scouting deparment? Great write up….I’m sold for Miller at 5
Good post
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Really good post and research
Miller has been my choice all along and I hope he is still there at #5.
Green
I have Green 4th overall;
Peterson, Miller, Daerus, Green.
Positional value is taken into account somewhat.
That's crazy talk.
Positional value is taken into account somewhat.
I’d say so.
That and I don't think Green is as good as he has been hyped up to be
I don’t think Green is close to his hype. People have been calling this guys a hybrid of Randy Moss and Larry Fitzgerald, when in reality he is not even close as a prospect to either of them.. He is not near the athlete he was made out to be, he is quick not fast and is a very technically gifted player.
He is a safe pick, and I hate to use that term, but he is becasue of his size, quickness, route running and hands he is not likely to be a guy who is going to bust or flop at the NFL level, he is likely a guy who will produce no matter what. I do struggle to find an NFL comparison for him, becasue guys of his size usually are not as “finesse” as he is in his game, nor do they have the quickness that he possesses, but they also usually have a little bit more athleticism to them.
He is not all that much separated from Julio Jones as a prospect. Jones possesses the athleticism that everyone thought Green had, but on a thicker frame, he runs very well in both pads and in shorts and he also a very good route runner. The only thing seperating Jones from being the #1 receiver in this draft is his inconsistent hands. He seems to break concentration every now and then and drop the easy passes. Jones possesses a higher peak than Green, becasue if he puts it all together he is the next Andre Johnson, they have the same thickness and the same uber athletic ability to develop at the next level.
Green on the other hand as a prospect seems similar to a guy like Charles Rogers (Though Rogers possessed more athleticism.) A tall thin guy who had tremendous amounts of production in college and was thought to be a “can’t miss” type prospect. In terms of what he will play like on the field, I see a guy similar to the of Chad Johnson (note* Without all the off field crap) a guy who will be very productive.
That clear some stuff up for you?
Green
SO Green plays faster than he tests and Jones tests faster than he plays… Look at production. Watch and see Green consistently get open. Being quick at his size gives him 2 weapons at his disposal to gain seperation, which is what gets you open! I agree he’s not Moss or Fitz, but he is not far behind! Jones is a high risk pick, cuz he tested so much better than expected… But he didn’t produce to that level, so your left wondering why?
Rodgers was built just like Jones… he was 6’4+ and 225. WHats Jones? I would say Jones has alot more Rodgers in him than Green does! I take Green over Jones every day of the week! Green reminds me (tho not in size) of Greg Jennings a little. Jennings isn’t really fast, but he is quick and he still gets open deep. Same as Green does… Jennings uses crisp route running and quickness to get open! Same as Green does… Both are silky smooth in everything they do on the field… And Green size make his ceiling that much higher! Theres a good comparison, except for size, for AJ Green!
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Green at the combine was 6-3 211
Rodgers at the combine was 6-3 204
Johnson at the combine was 6-3 225
Jones at the combine was 6-2.5 223
Rodgers
Looked it up… Kinda
Rodgers 6’3 220…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Rogers_(American_football)
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You got a link to his combine stats?
I’ve tried to go back and look at previous year players but they don’t seem to save them for long.
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Linkage
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=28482&draftyear=2003&genpos=WR
He did not participate in anything at the combine, but he did measure in as all do. At 6023 of 6 foot 2 inches and 3 8ths of an inch. And 203 pounds.
He ran reportedly ran a hand timed 4.43 at the MSU Pro-Day.
Guess that mean we're at a stand off...
Either way Green is the safer player and the better player! The comparison to Jennings still stands to.
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I said Green was better
I have him ranked higher at WR and on my big board, but the gap is not all that much.
I also said Green is the safer player.
All I said is that I think Jones has the higher ceiling. The Chad Johnson compariosn I threw out was a good one (In terms of where I think Green can produce), but the Julio Jones ceiling I see is Andre Johnson, and that is best WR in the NFL ceiling.
Jones' ceiling
Might be higher, but his floor is like Charles Rodgers! You know you’ll get good to outstanding production but Julio could be a bust as much as he could be great…
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Jones has a much higher floor
And don’t forget when he was drafted 2nd overall Rogers was thought about as a can’t miss prospect. He was tall and rangy, ran exceptional routes, had great hands and was very productive. The weed issues were there, but injury curtailed his NFL career.
Andre Johnson was an athletic specimen who ran very quick and showcased amazing athleticism but his concentration was called into question becasue he would sometimes drop easy passes.
Development: Physically Andre Johnson is ready to dominate the NFL. Mentally Andre Johnson will need to work on what most physically gifted athletes don’t learn in college: How to run good routes, get separation at the line, hide movement ques… Andre Johnson may be one of the few with enough talent to overmatch experienced corners before he even grasps the smaller details of the position. If Andre Johnson develops mentally, he could be a top 5 receiver.
Remind you of someone, maybe Julio Jones.
Weakness: It’s a stretch to find one, so I’ll say Charles Rogers is only 6’2" and only 200lbs and has no pro experience.
Development: Charles Rogers will be starting for Detroit this year. Charles Rogers has a lot to learn about facing a much smarter, more talented, and more experienced group of defensive backs. Give him a couple years of adapting and if he’s willing to put in the hard work Charles Rogers will be one of the better receivers in the league.
Sound Familiar. Somewhat like AJ Green?
Not implying that Green is going to bust, I have said the complete opposite in the past, but the ceiling the Jones has is best WR in the NFL, Green is going to be a guy consistently amoung the 5-8 best receivers in the NFL, but I don’t see him ever pushing a claim to be right among the best, similar to a Jennings now (Who i have in the 5-7 range)
The only similarities between Rogers and Green, based on that, are.. Well, actually. No. There are no similarities.
There are a lot
Both are tall and slender WR’s who have been tremendously productive on the collegiate level. Both are/were considered cannot miss WR’s becasue of their elite skill. Both are/were tremendous vertical receivers using their ability to leap and their body control to make great catches over CB’s.
As prospects the two of them are incredibly similar, if you cannot see that then….
It is not me saying AJ Green is going to be a horrible bust don’t touch him. It is me saying AJ Green is very comparable to one of the best WR prospects in the draft over the past 15 years.
I was referring
strictly to the bolded part in your post regarding Carlos Rogers. You’re right.
If you think Jones is ever going to be anything resembling Andre Johnson you are truly delluding yourself!
But then you’ve convinced Skelton is the way to go at QB!! So whatever!!
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Ceiling
I think it is reasonable to say the Jones has an Andre Johnson like ceiling. He has the same game as Andre with the same flaws coming out of college.
2 – I have never said Skelton is the way to go at QB, I have said that we need to find out what the kid has. And the best way to do that is to give him a long term shot at starting.
You wanna start him this year don't you?
That makes him the way to go… at least for now, and now is all that really matters in the NFL isn’t it?
Jones will never reach anything close to Andre Johnson, IMO!
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Now is not all that matters
The NFL is not going to cease to exist in a couple of seasons (Well we never know with the CBA), but there is such a thing as looking long-term when you are lacking talent on your football team.


























