State Of The Franchise - Future Of The Franchise Part III
Well, it's been awhile but I'm back. . In parts 1 & 2 I covered the "State of the Franchise" part of the story with where we are and how we got here. In parts 3 & 4 we will cover the "Future of the Franchise". In other words, what do we do and what are our chances for success. Since this part of the series deals with what we should do to right the ship, I thought it best to wait until we got closer to the draft and see if there were any labor updates.
As I stated previously, this team is a disaster right now. This team spent the entire 2010 season without di
rection or identity and all you have to do is listen to our best player talk about his future to tell how far away he feels this team is of winning. Two years removed from being seconds away from winning the Super Bowl, Fitz, a player who, in his own words, has admitted he has been well taken care of and would like to stay here, is for all intents and purpose letting everyone know, 'Either this thing gets turned in the right direction or I'm outta here'. Does that sound like the words of a player who thinks we are just an 'average' QB away from being a good team? And if we can't get a player like Fitz, a guy who is the epitome of a team player, to stay, who's next? Better yet, how are you going to get elite talent to come play here if you can't keep your own elite players?
So how do we get this thing turned in the right direction? We know now last year should have been a year strictly dedicated to rebuilding. So unfortunately, a process that might have been a little further along is really kind of at the beginning stage. Not that some pieces weren't put into place, namely on the defense, but the process must continue. And you don't continue a rebuilding process by signing aging veterans. It is one thing to sign a veteran to hold down the fort while a player that is on your roster develops. It is quite another if you don't yet have the youngster on your roster. You then find yourself continually filling the roster with veterans and never really filling the spot. Now we have many holes on this team whether it be QB, LB, TE, OL.... you are not going to be able to fix everything overnight. But if you develop your youth properly, and you PLAN LONG-TERM, you will not find yourself rebuilding every five years. Patience, and not going for the quick fix all the time is the key to rebuilding.
Going forward, with the labor situation unsettled, the only thing we can depend on is the draft. Not that you don't do your homework in regards to the open market, but at this point we have no idea when the situation will be settled. With that said, when you look at our two units, until an above average, or better yet, good QB is in place, it is clear that the defense is much further along than the offense and that is where we should concentrate in the draft. Why? Because if you have at least one very good unit, you can game plan around that unit. You could argue our offense could use 6 or 7 players as it stands right now. And I'm just not sure that any of the QB's in the draft afford any immediate help, although I am sure someone will come out of this draft class and shock everyone.
So let's go to the defense and see where we can make some strides. Absolutely, LB has to be addressed, specifically the right side I have been a big proponent of R.Quinn but, sadly, I doubt he is going to be a Cardinal. I also don't think Von Miller will be either, and that actually makes me happy, but that is for another post. First, since we can assume that we will be playing a Dick LeBeau-esque style of defense, being that Horton is an 11 yr disciple, you have to look at the type of player we are going to draft to fit the system. And it is clear that to play OLB, particularly on the right side, you have to be able to drop into coverage and not just zone but be able to play some man-to-man. It is a read and react position and the Steelers RARELY blitzed from this position unless it was a pure passing down. It is a position that has produced 13 Pro Bowlers for Pit in the last 20 years, yet has been filled by players like Greg Lloyd(6th rounder), Joey Porter(3rd) and James Harrison(undrafted). In other words, you don't have to be a #1 pick to be successful at the position. So if there is someone further down in the draft that could fill the bill(K.J.Wright, Mark Herzlich) why would you use your #1 pick on this position. I'm calling it here first. Von Miller WILL NOT be drafted by the Cardinals, even if he is available at No.5. If he is there and Dareus and Peterson are gone, I could see a trade down to anywhere from 8 to 11 and going for OL help. As far as inside on the right, you have to be a run stuffer who plays well in a phone booth and can get to the QB when called on. Somehow, someway I think the Cards end up with Martez Wilson, even if they end up reaching a bit for him. Yes, I know all about his bad pro day and if you were asking him to play outside in space you are probably making a mistake. that is NOT what he will be asked to do in our system. He fits perfectly for what we are trying to do, and brings a Steeler-esqe attitude with him that won't hurt his chances of landing with us. Buff has also shown interest at No.35. I personally hope they draft Von Miller and shy away from going back to back on LB's.
As far as DL, we have talent AND depth but they need to understand that job #1 in this style of 3-4 is stopping the run, not getting upfield to the QB. This type of defense succeeds by putting the other team in 3rd and long and THEN sending the blitz. If everyone does their job on 1st and 2nd down, there will be plenty of sacks to go around on 3rd down. I will say this, though. If Marcel Dareus somehow falls to us at #5, you can bet the house that we will draft him. Take it to the bank!
As for the secondary, now that we have Ray Horton as our new DC, I expect this unit to be a strength on the team if things play out like I think they will and Patrick Peterson is available at #5. He is the rare complete CB(solid vs run AND pass) who adds the added weapon of the return game(if needed). But there are a couple of things that need to be addressed. 1st, I think Toler is absolutely fine on one side and will only get better. It amazes me how quickly some people are willing to give up on him and try to relegate him to nickel. Remember, this is a 2nd year player out of St.Paul College. The fact that he was a starter last year is remarkable enough. He is already solid in run support and will only get better in pass coverage as he learns the game. No, he is a keeper and should at least be given a fair chance to win one of the 2 starting positions. That being said, I think it is about time someone gets in the grill of DRC and explains to him that he is NOT Deion Sanders, in fact, he looked more like Col.Sanders last year. TACKLING IS PART OF THE GAME. No more trying to 'push' runners to the ground. HIT SOMEBODY FOR CRISSAKES! Oh, and btw, shut down corners don't play eight yards off the line of scrimmage. Shutdown corners line up nose-to-nose with WR's and stay with them stride for stride. Until I see him do that play after play, referring to him as a 'shutdown' corner is complete and utter garbage. But as talented as he is, quite honestly, I don't think that is something we are ever going to see out of him. His game is all finesse and speed. Tell me the last time a player like him played in a Steeler secondary? If we draft PP, I could absolutely see us trading him before the season starts. And he is someone you could probably still get a future No.1 for, particularly from a team that feels they have a chance to make the playoffs(Oakland and Tampa Bay come to mind right away). You may have to sweeten the pot slightly, but I sure wouldn't mind having 2 No.1's next year with Luck, Landry Jones and Matt Barkley coming out next year. As for safety, I really think AW has a chance to bounce back and have a solid season under Horton. His problem has been in man to man coverage, but if you watch LeBeau's defense, Polamalu is rarely left alone in man to man coverage, and I am pretty sure Wilson will spending alot more time either around the line of scrimmage or in zone coverage. And Rhodes, although not a true centerfielder is enough of a playmaker that would fit this type defense very nicely. Raheem Moore(the only true centerfielder in the draft) or a Ras-I-Dowling who played CB in college but would probably transition nicely to FS ala Malcolm Jenkins are possibilities but I don't really see it as a need strong enough to use higher draft picks on.
Now for the offense. QB, QB what are we going to do at QB? First, I don't think we will use our first pick on a QB. New regimes do that, not ones with many holes to fill and a somewhat questionable future. Just ask Dennis Green how well that usually works out. That takes Gabbert, Newton(Thank God) and most probably Locker out of the picture. I saw Mallets non-denial-denial of drug use at the combine and can't imagine he would be a guy Whisenhunt would have any interest in, particularly because of his immobility. But if he is still around in the 2nd round, how can you not consider him? We are a team with enough high character people to influence a kid like him that we should think long and hard before dismissing him. I would so much rather take a chance with a guy like him, than a prima donna like Cam Newton. Other than character and mobility issues, the biggest problem with Mallet will be coaching the Bobby Petrino OUT OF him. After that, the pickings get thin. I've always liked Kaepernick, just not sure he is built for taking an NFL pounding. Lot of people high on Christian Ponder. Me...not so much. As it stands right now, I don't see the answer for the Cardinals QB situation in this draft. We'll sign a veteran and see how the season and 2012 draft play out.
RB position....until we start using what we already have consistently, addressing this position is moot, which is unfortunate since there are some nice players that could be weapons at the next level like Dion Lewis. I would also like to see AZ take a shot at an Owen Marecic or Henry Hynoski, nice fullbacks who bring a little something extra to their game. Tired of the no-dimensional FB's we have been using.
WR position does not need to be addressed, unless a real burner is available after the 1st 2 rounds. If Fitz decides to wait and see before making a decision on his future, there is nothing you can do about that. Sign Breaston; I'll be really, really pissed if he eventually walks. Doucet can stay or go at this point, he is not on the field enough to matter; Roberts looks fine; Komar and Williams add adequate depth.
TE: the draft has gone from last year, a year that may eventually go down in history as the greatest TE class ever, to this year, one of the weakest in, at least, the last 10 years. When all the buzz at the combine was about Virgil Green of Nevada....enough said. I'm still stunned that we didn't pluck any of the remaining TE's last year when we were drafting in the 3rd round. Don't get me wrong, I like Andre Roberts, but revisit this 5 years from now and Cardinal fans will be asking "You mean we could have had Jimmy Graham, instead?" But since this offense rarely utilizes the TE anyway, even if Kyle Rudolph drops to us in the 2nd, my guess is we pass and pick, Oh I don't know, Lee Smith out of Marshall in the 7th round....very frustrating since Pitt offenses have always been known to utilize the TE. I would really like to see AZ go all out to sign Zach Miller whenever FA starts(he is still out there, right?). He would bring back the physicality to the receiving corp we lost when Q left while still being a downfield weapon. He would also be an immediate improvement as a blocker at the position, something we lacked sorely last year. He is not a dominating blocker, mind you, but surely an upgrade. It is a signing that would also please Fitz, I would think.
OL is a place we may be able to make some hay in this draft and I fully expect us to draft 2 or 3 lineman. But, if you are looking for Levi Browns replacement at LT, keep looking because it is not going to happen in this draft, unless we trade down, which I addressed earlier. Costanzo looks prototypical, he has the BC pedigree and will probably be a solid pro, though not necessarily a Pro-Bowler. Solder, next to Newton, is the biggest risk in this draft, and I'm leaning towards bust. For all Carimi's bluster, I still say he ends up at RT. And for all the talk about Ty.Smith, he has never played LT at any level. The fact that he, a RT, is being talked about at #12 or earlier tells you all you need to know about the LT's in this draft. Ben Ijalana looks like he will be a solid pro, but I really think he will also be gone(NE) by the time we pick in the 2nd. But guys like Joe Barksdale, Chris Hairston and especially James Brewer could be had for 4th round picks and should be considered.
At guard, I love Rodney Hudson, but it would probably take our 2nd rounder for him but he is still be worth it. Size is the ?, but bulking up to 299 did not hurt him one bit at the combine. Putting him between Sendlein and Brown would really help our pass-blocking as he excels in the zone blocking scheme we used last year. He is also an excellent inline run-blocker but sucks in the screen game...but when was the last time we actually ran a screen pass? Of course, it is highly unlikely we draft him because of our affinity for drafting huge OG's. Marcus Cannon is massive, but is not the pass blocker Hudson is and we need to get better at pass blocking. Keep an eye on William Rackley, also. He is just the type of small school player Whisenhunt loves. And Carl Johnson could be considered late in the draft.
Bottom line for the OL, expect AZ to draft at least 2, maybe 3 OLinemen and could quite possibly be the only type of offensive players we draft, save for maybe 1 other position.
Now this whole post has dealt almost solely with the draft because at this point, I'm not even sure there is going to be a real "Free Agent Signing Period". The owners and players seem perfectly content to let this play out until late August or early September so only the most industrious of teams will be able to work out trades at that point and do you know what it's going to be like signing free-agents and bring them in for maybe a 2 week training camp/preseason? There will obviously be some movement because alot of players will just be let go, but I think most of the bigger names will end up staying put, probably signing shorter deals than they would under normal circumstances. If something can get done by, say, mid-late July I think you will see more trades than you normally would at that time of year. Players will be flying all over the place.
I really think that PP will be our pick at #5. The way this is playing out, if Carolina drafts a QB at No.1, the only way he doesn't fall to us at No.5 is if someone trades up with Cin at No.4 to get him. That being said, I would still like to see the Cardinals try to create a little noise and at least hint that they might be interested in trading down. They need to be prepared and I really, really do not believe all the hype over Von Miller going to AZ. I've watched enough tape on him and enough tape on how Pitt plays defense to say that AZ will not draft him.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Revenge of the Birds' (ROTB) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of ROTB's editors.
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Very nice assessment
In the third paragraph…..great write up
Nice post
I think that if Kyle Rudolph is in the 2nd Round, we’ll take him. Either him or Casey Matthews (ILB, could be great with Von Miller, Daryl Washington, and O’Brien Schofield).
Strong post. Interesting points.
Quite frankly I’m getting tired of draft speculation at this point (as will happen this close to draft, but especially given the no other off-season stuff to discuss) but this post was refreshing since you had some different ideas then just starting another thread about Miller/PP.
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Herzlich
just looks like he would be a beast off the edge….
And with a name like that....
they could nickname him “Blitzkrieg”
by PhoenicianPakFan on Apr 23, 2011 11:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Herzlich is more of a 34 ILB than OLB.
In a 43 he would be a good SamOLB, but in a 34 he’s a better fit inside, IMO.
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Herzlich
6’4" 244, Suggs 6’3" 260, Ware 6’4" 262….Once any NFL trainer puts him on a program Herzlich will be in the same range as either of the taller edge rushers…
by Cardsfan928 on Apr 24, 2011 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions
He's
more like Demarcus Ware than Patrick Willis
by Cardsfan928 on Apr 24, 2011 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions
I know about him
His size and everything. Not saying he can’t play 34 OLB, but he isn’t ideally suited for it.
From NFL… “Herzlich possesses rare intangibles for an NFL Draft prospect. Is a highly-productive player who has a terrific blend of height, bulk and top-end speed. Plays with good awareness and discipline and doesn’t stay blocked long. Can make plays from sideline-to-sideline and can stay with running backs in coverage. Can rush the passer and displays great closing burst.”
Nothing in that really suggests OLB! It does point to an excellent ILB and play caller IMO, at least in a 34. As a 43 OLB look at his ability to play coverage and his physical and aggressive nature. Both point to a SamLB in a 43.
You might be forgetting… I’ve scouted most of these guys to see if they can play OLB for the Packers! His bio and play suggest a 34 ILB than a OLB!
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Look at his draft page and combine numbers
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/profiles/mark-herzlich?id=2495164#tab=1
Lacks speed and explosiveness as a pass rusher! His 40 it beyond slow, his cone and shuttle times leave alot to be desired! No way he can play 34 OLB based on those numbers. WOuldn’t even consider a guy at 34 OLB w/ a 40 time over 4.8, or respectable COD ability. Herzlich doesn’t measure up as the explosive pass rusher you want outside!
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Really enjoyed this post
Good perspectives and alternative points of view from everyone else. I do think that we would draft Miller if he falls to #5, but I also think that he won’t be a winning horse right out of the gate either. He definitely needs some mass to his structure and he needs to work on his coverage skills.
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He could be a shut down CB, but only if the coaches allow him to do what he does best! Pitts D is a zone based scheme and the CB don’t play alot of man. I don’t know how Horton is going to play his DB’s, but if you want DRC to become a shut down CB, you have to allow him to play man coverage. Thats what he is best at… As for lining up in Off man, that is entirely up to the defensive play call. Very rarely does a CB have a choice to play press man or off man. DRC is best lining up over the WR and staying in his hip pocket and running w/ him. If he’s playing Off coverage, thats on the D Coordinator! Look at his cousin… Exceptional in man, not physical at the LOS, but will try to re-route the WR some before getting on his hip and staying w/ him. DRC could do that if the DC allows him to. DRC is also just like his cousin in that neither wants ANYTHING to do w/ tackling anyone, other than maybe a WR! Antonio Cromartie is a powder puff when it comes to tackling and so is DRC. Not going to change…
Horton has to play to DRC strength and let him play press man. If he sticks to the Steelers style D, where they play mostly zone, then DRC will be wasted!
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I'm hoping to see a mixture of man and zone with the CB's
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by JoeCB1991 on Apr 23, 2011 11:43 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
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Dear Stroh...You completely missed the point on DRC and quite honestly the Pitt D
First, DRC played plenty of man last year and teams(I remember the beginning of the Denver game in particular) came right at him. The reason he has played far off the WR’s he covers and does not play much press when he is man is because he is VERY susceptible to pump fakes(think Steve Smith). What makes him good is his recovery speed and his ability to get around WR’s to break up passes without comitting PI along with being a threat to take it back everytime he gets the ball. Unfortunately, last season he committed a ton of PI. And, you’re right, it is up to the defensive call, and because he is not any good at it, he is not asked to do it. And if you can’t do it, you cannot be considered a shut down CB. As weak as a guy like Deion Sanders used to be vs the run, he always lined up nose to nose with the opposing WR and didn’t mind laying hands on them. I mean, do you know any CB’s that play off that far and can’t get even a little physical who are considered ‘shut-down’? And, btw, Antonio Cromartie is Dick Butkus compared to DRC.
But that is my point about DRC. You CANNOT play like that and be effective in a Pitt style defense. It is based on stopping the run first. The CB’s MUST be able to step up and take on RB’s. It is the reason Bryant McFadden, a guy AZ fans couldn’t wait to get rid of, was welcomed back and given a starting job in Pitt. Trust me, it wasn’t because of his coverage skills.
And Pitt also played some press man on pure passing downs but usually only to one side with Ike Taylor lining up nose to nose with the opposing teams best WR. And Ike Taylor has the size (6’ 2" 200 with long arms) strength and athleticism to disrupt the pattern long enough to force an ‘under blitz pressure’ QB to look away from his #1 target. DRC would never be asked to lay hands on a WR to disrupt the pattern. So what do we do, change the defensive philosophy for one player? Of course not! But, you being a Packer fan(like my brother) already knew all this, I’m sure.
BTW, you are totally off on Herzlich, also. But my fingers are tired so my response will have to wait
Fair enough...
I don’t know enough about DRC to know why he isn’t playing man up coverage. Or that he’s susceptible to pump fakes… And your right about his playing the Pitts syle, he just isnt’ suited for it either as a zone cover guy nor from a physical style of play! Thats part of why I mentioned that the DC has to put him in a position to use his strenghts! The only CB on the Pitts team that could play press man was Taylor, unfortunately you can’t really play him in press and the rest of the team in zone. Just doesn’t work that way. They lack the CB to play press. THey played maybe 1/3 press or man coverage, but even when they did the Packers picked them apart.
As for Herzlich, we’ll see.. I REALLY don’t see 34 OLB in his future. I’ve looked at alot of possible 34 OLB for the packers in this draft. Watched film, read alot and he has nothing I want in an OLB! Whether thats due to his cancer recovery I don’t really know. I know pre-cancer he was being mentioned as a possilbe pass rush guy, but nothing I"ve seen since has given an indication that he will be able to do that again. Thats not to say he MIGHT not regain what he once had, but I’m not going to take him to hope he gets back to pre-cancer ability. Right now looking at him he’s a 34 ILB or 43 SamLB, IMO…
If you don’t think Antonio is a powder puff and as bad as DRC in physicality you havent’ seen this video… Look for #31 on the left side! Watch how physical Antonio is!!!
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d815ce81b/Shonn-Greene-Highlight-WK-19-vs-Chargers-2009
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BTW - That video is a PLAYOFF game!
Antonio watched Greene run right past him w/o even attempting a tackle. I can’t imagine DRC can be worse than that. Be happy to look at any video you can find to change my opinion…
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I do agree on Herzlich being more of a 3-4 ILB if we get him
Also, what do you think of Toler in a Pitt style zone defense? I think he would be a better fit with that than DRC with how physical he is. There are a lot of plays from last year where he just nailed people.
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Nice post....
I love the quote on DRC – ’in fact, he looked more like Col Sanders last year…" LOL!!
Thanks for this. Can’t really disagree with your assessment. I do like the fact you’re stressing its all about skill assessment. Whether you’re talking round 1 or 7, its the ability to find the right players…..nice job!

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