FA/Trade QB Options - The Numbers
by Pantology on May 5, 2011 1:25 PM MDT
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PrintI'm surprised no one has bothered to actually compare the numbers for the QBs we are rumored to be considering.
Below (after the jump) you will find a chart comparing John Skelton, Kevin Kolb, Marc Bulger, Carson Palmer, Matt Hasselbeck, Kyle Orton, and Derek Anderson in a multitude of stats. From age, height, weight to their completion percentages, yards per pass attempt, touchdowns, interceptions, sacks, ratings etc.. and not just for their careers but for their most recent playing year as well (for example, Bulger would not have 2010 numbers so I used his 2009 numbers).
I marked the worst in each category in red, and the best in each category in green.
I think you might be surprised by some of the findings.
So what do you think, does it change your opinion of any of these possible future Arizona Cardinals QBs?
I'll admit, I was surprised at Carson Palmer's numbers.
Feel free to comment with another player and their numbers and I'll add them in.
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Here's what I think
I think every stat you have up there for Derek Anderson should be marked in red.
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But that wouldn’t be accurate.
I know it paints a bad image of Skelton, but it is the accurate assessment of the numbers.
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Doesn't change my opinions.
Palmer and Orton both look good in comparison but neither may be available. Kolb we know is being shopped. Hasselbeck is falling apart. Bulger runs the same risk. I’d feel like we had a chance with any of Kolb, Palmer or Orton. Bulger is too short term an option. Bulger as a first choice would be predicated on the idea that Skelton is actually looked upon as a franchise QB by the organization. I don’t believe they think that.
We have the best chance at Kevin Kolb
Then Marc Bulger, and then Carson Palmer. Maybe even throw in Donovan McNabb.
If we get Marc Bulger or Donovan McNabb, then it’s because we think John Skelton is the answer. If we get Kevin Kolb, it means we think he’s “The Guy” (And I say this because he’s going to be expensive, and you don’t waste draft picks on someone who you don’t think is going to be your QB for the next 5+ years).
So yeah, what you said.
I think the numbers are skewed because of the differing team systems. The stats only show a distorted picture of a QB. Deep throws short throws, attempts, receivers, all factor in. That being said I like Orrin the most in the bunch. I think he fits our offense the best. He is accurate. He can make correct reads and has good pre snap awareness and can get the ball out quick. He seems like a mini Kurt and I think he could protect our oline the same way Kurt did. Plus I like only having to trade a 2 rounder.
My issue with Orton, despite his numbers from last year, is I was at the Broncos vs Cardinals game.
We made Orton look like a fool.. but maybe that was just our defense playing awesome.. maybe that’s what we should have seen all year.
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Hey all
Curious fan from Mile High Report came by because of the rumors out.
Not to discount your defense last year but that game was the last one Orton played in due to rib injuries. He was injured in the Rams game, then played KC and you guys before Tebow was put in.
Interesting Chart on the QB prospects, I like it.
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
Not offended at all.
I didn’t follow Orton, so wasn’t even aware of the injury.
Thanks for your insight.
Tom Coniam
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But also a lover of the Steel Curtain.
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I was there too, and I remember hearing about him being injured
Surprised we didn’t get some Tebow time during that game because Orton was injured, and it was a blowout…
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I flew in to catch that game because I thought Tebow would play.
If you can protect Orton, he can pick apart a D. Nice playaction player with accuracy from 20 yards and in. Similar to a Trent Greene or a very poor mans Kurt Warner, minus Warners ability to stand in til the last second.
Speaking of that game, whats the plan for Hightower?
luckily im a bronco and a blazer fan
He's probably going to leave
He’s a UFA, and we drafted Ryan Williams in the 2nd Round (One of the top RB’s in the Draft). We’ve still got Beanie Wells, so our best guess is Tim Hightower is on another team next season.
he's only a RFA
and unless there are changes in a new CBA, will still be a RFA
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I still think Bulger's got something left.
And if you dropped off his last couple Ram’s years, all his % would sky rocket. That team was a disaster. I’d at least like to see the Cards bring him in for a meeting and work out. Q said he looked great in practice last year. Wish we could see some full speed action tho.
by Birdman from Mesa on May 8, 2011 8:56 AM MDT reply actions
Real Options
Lets be honest, the Bengals are not letting Palmer go because their owner is an idiot. The Bronco’s are not letting Orton go because right now he is a much better option than Tebow. We are also not getting Hasselback, he hates the Cardinals players and would not stab his fans in the back by going to a division rival.
The only real options are a trade for Kolb, signing Donavan Mcnabb, or signing Marc Bulger. The Eagles will never let Kolb go for only a first round pick. They will demand a first and second rounder at least, or a 1st round pick and an impact starter like DRC, they wouldn’t accept one of our running backs. I think that is to much for Kolb, he has not shown enough yet to justify that. This leaves us with Mcnabb or Bulger. Bulger is the more accurate quarterback so I say we go with him. He got the crap beat out of him in STL which diminished his numbers. With good weapons and average protection he can be a very effective QB for a few years. Just enough time for us to acquire a franchise QB to replace him or see if Skelton is the answer ( not likely).
Bring on the Bulger!!!!!!
Rumors still flying at MHR
As far as most fans of Denver are concerned Orton is already traded and Tim Tebow is our starter. All sorts of scenarios are out there but it seems that as of now Arizona has a trade with Denver to take place once the lock out ends.
thoughts?
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
Haven't you heard?
We have deals in place for every potential QB. We’re going into camp with 9 guys in the position. Our centers are working on snapping 2 balls at a time.
by hadrarius on May 11, 2011 7:48 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
I don’t see much consensus over here except to get someone. I happen to like Kyle Orton but the Denver fanbase as a whole seems to have him shipped out of town already. I would think Orton would be a great fit in Az, but Kolb could be the guy too. Just don’t know as much about him.
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
FWIW
I’d cheer for your team if they traded for Orton…he’s done well in Denver and deserves a shot to be a starter for the next few years. If he stays healthy, Fitz would LOVE him.
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Opinions; Who'd you rather... Kolb for a 1st or Orton for a 2nd?
Outside of Bronco fans, the feeling seems to be that Orton is still better than Tebow at this point, which equals the Broncos retain Orton. Bronco fans, by and large, disagree with this assessment for the following primary reasons:
1. Orton has one year left and isn’t part of future plans. Either he’s let go this year for something, or he’s let go next year for nothing.
2. The Broncos can’t know if they need to draft a QB next year until they give Tebow a chance to start.
3. The Broncos aren’t a SB team in 2011. Paying Orton $9M (instead of using it on a RB for say $3Mx3years) and thereby not using his value to bring in additional talent through trade… to win two more games in 2011… is a bad strategy.
Anyway, the point here is that I hadn’t really realized how many people think Kyle Orton is a Bronco for the season. It’s unlikely, IMO. So I’m wondering if this is the reason there hasn’t been much chatter about Orton to Arizona, or if it’s because you guys like Kolb so much more?
Von. Doom. Pow!
Unlike the Eagles who have Vick, the Broncos only have the still raw Tebow
So even though Kolb & Orton only have one contract year left, the Broncos are the team in a bind. If Orton IS available, I’m fine with trading a second round pick but IMO he won’t be available. Kolb is worth a first round pick, and nothing else, if you believe in his upside. The Eagles will have trouble getting a better offer because the number of chasing teams has greatly diminished after the draft plus everyone in the league knows that they have to trade him this year or get nothing next year when he walks. IMO the Eagles are in a much weaker trade position after the draft.
The Eagles are a perennial playoff team and Vick is a 215lb scrambler. And yet, they're willing to take the risk
Why not the Broncos?
The dual talk here is puzzling. The Eagles will be placing their playoff team in the hands of a newly signed free agent QB whenever Vick goes down – they’re open about that, and they’re OK with it. And everyone else thinks it’s fine and normal. But then they act as if the Broncos can’t leave their 4-12 team in the hands of Brady Quinn or a newly signed veteran? I don’t get it.
Trading Kevin Kolb from the Eagles means there is literally nobody to backup the often injured Mike Vick – a thirty year old QB that’s only played in 16 games just once in his entire career. So he will get injured. And his backup will play. And the Eagles will likely have the playoffs on the line. But that’s OK. But for the Broncos to start a QB in his second year is bad mojo and frowned upon?
Orton has trade value and expense and is not the future of the Broncos. Getting what you can for him now, to save money and add talent to your team, so that you can start your young QB to see what he has, is very normal and logical.
We would still be in better shape than the Eagles are at in the backup QB position, and we’re still not as screwed when we go to our backup as the Eagles are. And we’re not likely to have the playoffs on the line.
Kyle Orton is available. Stalling Tebow’s progress for another year by starting Orton won’t make the Broncos a SB team. Instead, it allows the team to evaluate what they have in the youngster so that they can move forward or move on.
Von. Doom. Pow!
Trade rumors
I’m another Denver fan…
The rumor trending at MHR is Orton plus a 2nd for Dan Wiliams and Beanie Wells.
The jury is split on that one over there – any reactions over here?
one of those 1st rd picks is a complete bust and has next to no value league wide!
Do you think the rest of the NFL doesn’t realize that Wells hasn’t beaten out Tim Freakin Hightower in 2 years?!! Well is basically a throw in at this point! Nothing more… So in essense the trade really is Orton and a 2nd for Williams. Not too unreasonable… Since your getting a QB and a draft pick that is w/in 12 picks of where you got Williams!
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Wells needs to step it up
But he’s not a complete bust who has next to no value. He’s not far removed from being that potential-laden 1st-round pick with a respectable rookie season under his belt. He was banged up for most of the year in 2010 and to be quite honest, how many players on the squad didn’t see their stock fall after this last season? I am disappointed with Wells at the moment, but any reasonable observer will tell you it’s too early to go parading around the boards decrying Wells’ value.
Complete bust?
I think Leinart is insulted by that statement. 2 years while dealing with injuries and no O-line? Not exactly the opportune scenario for a fair assessment. I believe I read that Ryan Williams was rated 15th overall on the Cardinals board (for reasons unbeknown to me), combine that with the fact that our current ‘starter’ is a RFA, Wells is unproven (not quite a bust yet but last season didn’t help his argument), and LSH is nowhere near an every down back. I can see the reasoning behind the pick.
However, I assume you’re not a fan of Kolb either following this logic? 5 years in the league to beat out an old McNabb and a fresh-out-of-jail Vick. And he’s still considered the ‘future’ of whatever franchise grabs him. He’s a bust too right?
by cardsfanforlife24 on May 15, 2011 12:11 AM MDT up reply actions
Injuries can make you a bust too...
Not being available and accountable to play on Sundays de-values a player. It really doesn’t matter why he hasn’t beaten out Hightower. THe point is he hasn’t!
Kolb is a completely different situation. QB’s don’t often make immediate impacts as rookies. Especially ones coming from a spread who has to learn just to take snaps from center. And no matter what McNabb is now, he did take Philly to a SB and NFCCG 4 times. So he had no chance of beating out McNabb, his 1st couple years. Hope your smart enough to realize that comparing a RB impact as a rookie is not even in the same ballpark as a QB doing so… ANd it took a MVP type performance from Vick to keep Kolb on the bench.
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'hope your smart enough...'
What part of my post was disrespectful? It was simply a question that I wanted your take on kid no need to get brass balls behind your keyboard.
Obviously a rookie QB doesn’t have the same opportunity to make an immediate impact as a rookie RB. I agree with your statement about how injuries can make you a bust too, however, I’d hardly call a rb with 1,100+ yards and 9 td’s in his first two seasons a complete bust. And with the amount of time Kolb has been in that system, you would think he would have been having his own MVP type performances to win the job and retain it.
by cardsfanforlife24 on May 15, 2011 11:05 PM MDT up reply actions
If you know that then why did you mention Kolb at all?
Cuz if you did, then he isn’t relevant to the discussion. Since you ask, I like Kolb. A late 1st would be about right for him IMO. Not for a high 1st by any means.
Beannie is a bust to me cuz he isn’t starting at a position where its not at all unusual for rookies to make an impact.
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after reading some other posts you're in
i can see why you’re so on edge and passive aggressive. you’re constantly on the defense on this site! but you and i have never had an exchange before, so relax :)
And you made a comment in your first paragraph I’m gonna use and swap players. “It really doesn’t matter why Kolb hasn’t beaten out McNabb or Vick. the point is he hasn’t!” Different position, yes, but the same competitive philosophy applies in my opinion.
by cardsfanforlife24 on May 15, 2011 11:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanx for the psychological profile
But since I highly doubt your a psychologist you’ll forgive me for LMAO about it. QB’s are best suited to sit and learn for a couple years. RB is a plug and play position. You do understand that right? Completely different situation altogether. And Kolb would have remained the starter had it not been for Matthews concussing him… That opened the door and an MVP candidate stepped thru the door. Let me restate that for you… It took an MVP candidate to put/keep him on the bench.
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Curious
where did this trade rumor originate? Just because other teams want our NT doesn’t mean he’s available. Without him, our already abysmal defense is completely garbage and he’s only played one season with us. I’d be surprised to find out what “expert” predicted this trade scenario.
by cardsfanforlife24 on May 15, 2011 12:01 AM MDT up reply actions
I exactly agree with this assessment
As a Bronco fan, I know that Orton is currently better than Tebow. However, we can’t continue to carry 2 starting QBs – that means we have no QB, in effect. With Orton’s contract situation, the Bronco’s need to get value for him at other positions.
I know he played horribly against you guys last year – but in that game and the KC game he was injured. He played very well in most situations for the first 10 games – and given the media and fan focus on Tebow, it had to be hard on him. Very accurate, a great guy – even fans from Chicago still root for him, out of nostalgia. I think he’d fit great in AZ – don’t know if he’d be better than Kolb, but I’d rather have Orton myself.
I get it
Ditch the winning QB and go with the potential. If he flops, Andrew Luck is your consolation prize!
by Jesse Reynolds on May 14, 2011 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Orton + Fitzgerald
As a Bronco fan watching Orton and Brandon Lloyd, I can only guess what Fitzgerald would do for a guy like Orton. I mean seriously, Brandon Lloyd is a pro bowler now? I still see the video of him as a 49er ducking a ball thrown to him.
If Orton goes anywhere, I’d like it to be the Cardinals. If for nothing else, to see what he and Fitzgerald can do together.
I love that video of Lloyd
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