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Holding All The Cards: What If You Owned The Arizona Cardinals?

First I'd like to say hello. I've read this forum for three years now & just today decided to post. Probably because the lockout has slowed things down & I couldn't get my fix by just reading your guys' informative post. So I decided to try a conversation stater here goes. (This is purely for entertainment purposes so lets not be all uptight about what is or isn't currently allowed.)

You Now Own The AZ Cardinals!!!
You have appointed yourself President of Player Personnel. Graves & Keim are both retained along with Coach Whiz & Staff with the understanding that the faults laid with the previous regime.(lets hope this is true & Mike's transition into power changes that.) The CBA is agreed too, leaving Franchise Tags in place, a Rookie Wage Scale, Free Agency after 4 years, & a 56 Man Roster.(these are the only details needed for this exercise.) You have all the same ways (FA, Trade, UDFA) to fill your needs. What would you do?

Star-divide


Me, I would start with the offense. First I want the original Whiz offense, Power Running, Play Action, Vertical passing style & attack mentality while being versatile enough(Players Talent allows for this) to maintain long drives. Second I have to identify & acquire players that fit & can flourish in my system with tweaks according to their talents.

The QB question I believe can be broken down quite simply. First we analyze our depth chart & immediately cut DA. I personally like Skelton & would keep him as my backup QB & possible QBoF. Barlett can stay as the 3rd string/scout QB. Max Hall is nothing more than camp fodder. I would then contact the Eagles, Bengals, Broncos, & Marc Bulgers agent. All of these QBs have positives & negatives, none are elite. I would be okay with anyone of them after the mess that was last year. All have a shot of reaching their potential or reviving their careers. John Skelton has all the mensurable s needed as well. My main concern would be compensation. I do not want for any reason to give up a 1st round pick period! So with all that in mind I would offer the three teams a 2nd in 2012 & their choice of Tim Hightower, Rashad Johnson, or a 2012 5th round pick. At the same time offer Bulger a 2 year deal & see which of the four bites first. That gives me one year to see what we have with our new acquisition & Skelton so that I know if I need to draft a QB with our first next year. I prefer Palmer if I must choose but am ok with any.

At Rb I think we are set with or without Hightower. FB is also covered with the rookie Anthony Sherman.(plus one of my defensive UDFAs can play FB)

TE depends on two things: how committed are we to using our TE in the offense, & would we rather allocate those funds to another position. If TE is the way we go(I would but am open to other options) I sign Zach Miller to go with our rookie Rob Housler & Jim Dray. If we go in another direction I would sign UDFA Schuyler Oordt a blocking TE with potential to develop.

WR is Larry Fitzgerald, I would make him the highest paid WR in the league. Breaston I would offer a fair offer if he accepts good if not oh well.(I wouldn't offer a contract if we signed Zach Miller) Then I'd make a minimum offer to Doucet it can't hurt. Stephen Williams & Andre Roberts both show flashes at one time or another. The others are serviceable with the chance of improving. I'm intrigued with our rookie Sampson & would als like to pick up UDFA Ricardo Lockette for Special Teams(kick returner) & to develop.

Now the Line, which to me is most important of all. If no Zach Miller this is the only positions I'm spending on in free agency. First I would resign Duece Lutui unless he purposely prices himself to high in order to leave AZ, in which case I throw the same pile of cash to one of the FA Guards(Joseph, Clabo, Yanda, etc.) Then I sign Jared Gaither & Willie Colon to play LT & RT. Levi Brown is moved to LG, resign Brandon Keith, & I sign UDFAs Jake Kirkpatrick & Tim Barnes to Play Center.

This leaves me with a Depth Chart of:
QB-1 Carson Palmer (insert your flavor here)
2 John Skelton
3 Rich Barlett
RB-1 Beanie Wells
2 Ryan Williams
3 LaRod Stephens-Howling (possibly Tim Hightower)
FB-1 Anthony Sherman
TE-1 Zach Miller
2 Rob Housler
3 Jim Dray (2 & 3 move up if no Zach Miller, replace w/ Schuyler Oordt)
WR-1 Larry Fitzgerald
2 Andre Roberts
3 Stephen Williams
4 Demarco Sampson
5 Max Komar or Early Doucet or Ian Williams or Steve Breaston
6 Ricardo Lockette
LT-1 Jared Gaither
2 Jeremy Bridges
LG-1 Levi Brown
2 Rex Hadnot
C-1a Jake Kirkpatrick
1b Tim Barnes
RG-1 Duece Lutui
RT-1 Willie Colon

That's it for the offense I'll have another post for the defense & special teams soon. What do you think? What you do?

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Revenge of the Birds' (ROTB) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of ROTB's editors.

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First, I'd offer a TON of money to Peyton Manning to bring him here

If that didn’t work, I’d take the Bengals owner out to dinner, get to know him, and then offer him a good deal for Carson Palmer, while stating that they’re good with Andy Dalton and A.J. Green. If that didn’t work, I’d talk to the Eagles about Kevin Kolb. I’d state that I refuse to give up a 1st Round pick, and that there aren’t many teams left interested in him. I’d also talk to the Bronco’s about Kyle Orton. If all that doesn’t work, I’d go after Donovan McNabb. If that doesn’t work, then something’s wrong.

As for RB, I think the FO has already decided that Tim Hightower is going to leave, and I think we’re set with Beanie Wells and Ryan Williams.

For WR, I’d resign Steve Breaston immediately, work with Fitz to getting a new deal, and as for Early Doucet, I’d keep him for a #4 WR, although I don’t know if he’ll resign.

For TE, I’d have the Coaching Staff work with Robert Housler to develop him at a fast pace. I’d also focus a lot of time on bringing Zack Miller here. He’s a Phoenix native who’s a beast TE.

For the O-line, I’d try to bring in Logan Mankins. I’d re-sign Deuce Lutui and Jeremy Bridges, and as for other O-line FA’s, I don’t know much about them.

Depth Chart:

QB-Peyton Manning if God is kind, but realistically Kyle Orton or Kevin Kolb (With a slim chance of Carson Palmer, and backup plan of Donovan McNabb)
2-John Skelton
3-Richard Bartel or Max Hall (Depends on how much he’s bulked up)

RB-Chris Beanie Wells
2-Ryan Williams
3-LSH (Tim Hightower isn’t going to stay here to be the 3rd RB)

TE-Zack Miller
2-Robert Housler
3-Jim Dray

WR-Larry Fitzgerald
2-Steve Breaston
3-Andre Roberts
4-Early Doucet (He’s only 4 because I don’t know if he’s going to resign)
5 and 6-Stephen Williams and DeMarco Sampson

FB-Anthony Sherman

O-line: Anything that’s works better than last year. Logan Mankins would be awesome.

by Skii on Jun 1, 2011 9:52 PM MDT reply actions  

Wow, that's a long comment

I just realized that I didn’t even consider cost yet. Anyone want to go through my comment and tell me if it’s reasonable?

by Skii on Jun 1, 2011 9:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Manning, Mankins, Miller, Lutui, Breaston

Manning’s price tag in particular is going to hamstring your cap space. WIth DA and Hayes coming off the books and our already-league-bottom team salary you could probably pull it off, but I don’t know how much you would be able to spend on defense.

by tw3kr on Jun 2, 2011 12:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well, franchise tags would have to get thrown out

and Peyton would have to be willing to play for the Cardinals. If he is, he will want the biggest contract in the league, and frankly, he’s going to want much more to be with the Cardinals than let’s say the Colts. He’s going to arrest your potential for improving your team across the board. You even have to look at the idea of time constraints in trying to court Manning. I believe Brown when he says Palmer isn’t being dealt, I don’t think either is a viable option for you.

I think the veteran QB market and demand is a little greater than you think. The talent pool isn’t nearly as saturated as other positions, and there will be high bids coming in fast, and teams and players all scrambling to get signed assuming there is a season. Your refusal to deal high for Kolb (I don’t think they’ll take anything less than 2 2nd round picks) may cause you to miss out on him which may work out on your favor, he really isn’t proven.

The Broncos have talked of dealing Orton, but Tebow and Quinn aren’t solid options and the owner said point blank Orton is only leaving for a high price, higher than you role playing as a GM are willing to pay. I think Orton stays put, and Hasselbeck in Seattle too not that you mentioned him.

So what’s a Cardinal GM to do? McNabb wants a new start, but isn’t sure to play to his former abilities. There won’t be any significant trade interest, wait for him to be cut and sign him at a low price. Sign Marc Bulger for the veteran minimum. Send a 2nd round pick to Green Bay for Matt Flynn and have the three compete in one of the most intense (and possibly rushed) QB competition in preseason history. Start the winner, relegate the middled one to backup and cut the clear loser. This way you have a viable QB starter and backup, and you’re still not arrested from selecting a 1st round QB in an upcoming draft if it doesn’t work out.

Other people are saying it but Mankins Miller and Breaston will not be cheap to sign/keep.

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by Bro Namath on Jun 11, 2011 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't know

Breaston & Miller would be pricey that’s why I had to make a choice in mine but that would be sweet. Plus although I would love Peyton he would cost a boat load and is well worth it but we would have to cut cost some where I would think. Then again this is hypothetical & you are the owner so I guess that would depend on how much you willing to invest & how much you want to earn. I’d pay to win but then again I’m using Imaginary millions big difference. Great negotiating for a QB though. Always enjoy your post skii.

by draft on Jun 1, 2011 10:11 PM MDT reply actions  

This could be something that should go on the front page

As for what I would do.

Like Skii said, I would bring in Zack Miller from the Raiders, and I’d also like to see someone like Logan Mankins brought in. Then be aggressive in finding a new QB such as Kolb, Orton, Palmer, or Bulger.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

by JoeCB1991 on Jun 1, 2011 10:13 PM MDT reply actions  

Assuming the CBA offers an opportunity to use the franchise tag

I put one on Deuce and use him to get Kolb. The Eagles are weak at OG and I have no love for Lutui’s antics or his below-average play. It wouldn’t be a 1-for-1 player trade, but it would work for both sides. Alternatively, I could see Hightower having value in Denver.

For tight ends, I bring back Patrick and let Spach go. We’ve got two promising young guys and a cheap, balanced veteran. No need to chase a free agent, especially a player like Zach Miller. Our tight ends combined for, what, 20 catches over the last two years? Don’t you think Housler will be enough there?

I envision RB Williams becoming a dynamic, multi-purpose starter. Wells settles into a Michael Bush-type role, using the year to either show promise or wash out of Arizona. Hightower & Sherman split Jason Wright’s duties (albeit with a few more carries).

Assuming Breaston returns, I don’t think we need more than 5 WR’s on the roster, with 2 on the practice squad. The extra spot should probably go to the offensive line.

I’m mainly interested in spending money on a quarterback and on the offensive line. There are really good players available at OG, and I’d rather pay one of them than Lutui. Artis Hicks would be ideal. I’d also look to add Evan Mathis, a veteran who can compete with Hadnot for the other job, on the cheap. The only other players I’d add would be a couple of undrafted rookies to the offensive line. We need to add some players worth developing there.

by tw3kr on Jun 2, 2011 12:54 AM MDT reply actions  

why

is everyone so down on Hightower? The fumbles, ok, I get that. That can be worked on and improved, see Tiki Barber.

But he has been by far the best RB for this team since he’s joined the team. He was able to rush for 4.8 yds/carry behind this terrible line last year while Wells averaged 3.4.
He can catch a bit, he can pick up a blitz. Is he awesome and irreplaceable? No, not at all. But to just anoint Wells as some super player is confusing to me. What has he done? Didn’t we waste our 2nd round pick on a RB to light a fire under Wells’ ass? Or to replace him?

by KDean75 on Jun 2, 2011 8:25 AM MDT reply actions  

Replace him would be my guess.

Unless Hightower leaves as a FA soon, which I don’t know when he is a FA. But Hightower has been the better of them. And isn’t Wells in Whis’s doghouse? Seems he is always in Whis’s doghouse.

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by Strohman on Jun 2, 2011 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

Fumbles, injuries, mistakes on pass coverage

I agree. But I think everyone agrees Wells talent is on a different level.
Hightower is a hard worker but he isn’t a dynamic runner. Other than some long runs bounced to the outside, he doesn’t show much ability to run between the tackles.
I’d like to keep him, but business is business.

by Jesse Reynolds on Jun 2, 2011 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

so why

keep Wells over Hightower? Potential? Maybe?

He’s shown to be a lesser runner than Hightower, worse in the passing game, and is extremely injury-prone.

by KDean75 on Jun 2, 2011 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Potential

Also the fact that he had a pretty decent second half during the 2009 season, and also because he’s a 1st Round pick that we drafted in the last couple of years, and you don’t want to quickly label him a bust without giving him all the chances he deserves.

by Skii on Jun 2, 2011 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

The dreaded "P" word..

The word that gets coaches fired… LOL No doubt Wells is more talented, but how long do you give a guy before the “P” word is replaced by the dreaded “B” word? Especially at the RB position, where its not unusual for them to start and make an impact as a rookie.

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by Strohman on Jun 2, 2011 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have seen

Much greater runs by Wells than Hightower is capable of. Bouncing off would be tacklers, extending runs, etc. Hightower can catch, pass block and maybe break out a big run if the o-line sets the edge but he can’t run up the middle and he goes down easy. I like the guy, a lot, but he isn’t as good as Wells when healthy. That’s the big issue with Wells, will he stay healthy? If he does, he’s the best back on the team.

by Jesse Reynolds on Jun 2, 2011 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hightower

has had a few nice runs himself though. Remember the only bright spot in the playoff game vs. New Orleans?

by Cardsfan928 on Jun 2, 2011 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

And yet..

He still hasn’t been able to beat out Hightower. Or get out of Whis’s doghouse. Doesn’t bode well, IMO.

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by Strohman on Jun 2, 2011 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

He's been mostly injured

He really hasn’t been given a decent chance at all.

by Skii on Jun 3, 2011 12:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

+10

Exactly a position that takes usually 100 carries to know you’ve got someone special or not running.

by Cardsfan928 on Jun 2, 2011 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Do you have any documentation of that?

Or is that just your opinion? And Beannie had over 100 last year and nearly 300 in his 2 yr career! Guess he failed by your own account! LMAO

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by Strohman on Jun 2, 2011 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ooops...

Thought you were replying to Jesse and agreeing w/ him. My bad.

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by Strohman on Jun 2, 2011 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Haha

Busted you antagonist you! :P

by Jesse Reynolds on Jun 3, 2011 12:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

The only thing keepin Beanie from overtaking Hightower

Is his health. He was hurt in training camp rookie year, so didn’t learn the coverages, yet was clearly the better back, getting the majority of the carries by the end of the year.
Year 2, Beanie was injured, and I don’t think he ever really got healthy, but our line also never played very well.
Neither back really had an opportunity to get into a rythm over the course of a game or the season due to our complete ineptitude on offense last season.
Don’t get me wron,g, I love Hightower, but long term I’d put my money on Beanie.

We all bleed Cardinal Red, but most of us don't recognize it!

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by robloosli on Jun 2, 2011 6:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Wells had a really good rookie campaign, and was dinged up for most of last year. Wells has the ability to be great. Hightower is a solid runner with very little value because he can not hold on to the ball. He actually struggles to catch the ball for as often as he is asked to do it. If he shows up this year and never lets one hit the ground then we’ll talk.

by tw3kr on Jun 2, 2011 7:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

He's play in 30 of 32 games...

If he suits up he isn’t injured, just hurt! Thats life in the NFL… And what has he produced? A whole lotta nothin!

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by Strohman on Jun 2, 2011 7:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's hard to look good

If you don’t get the ball. The Cardinals run the ball less than any team in the league over the past 2 years. Good running backs need a few carries to build a rythm. When Beanie gets in a rythm he shows he is much better than Hightower.

We all bleed Cardinal Red, but most of us don't recognize it!

"It takes no talent to give great effort"--Chris Petersen

by robloosli on Jun 2, 2011 7:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Your trolling again

Quit Bashing Cardinals players, please.

by Cardsfan928 on Jun 2, 2011 8:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just giving my opinion...

Are you sure your not the one trolling for an argument? Seems alot of your fellow Cards fans think your the troll. You Cards fans seem to be good at excuses and allowing them. If he suits up he’s not injured, just hurt and you gotta suck it up and produce anyway. Thats how it is on every successful NFL team.

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by Strohman on Jun 2, 2011 9:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

"You Cards fans seem to be good at excuses"

Not to group thousands of fans into one stereotype or anything.

by Skii on Jun 3, 2011 12:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry.

I’m just hearing every excuse. Injuries, OL, playcalling… At some point the Cards gotta quit allowing excuses or fans gotta quit making them.

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by Strohman on Jun 3, 2011 3:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

It's a good point

There is a difference between being injured and hurt. I tell that to my players all the time. Injury means you can’t play because of damage or risk of even more damage, hurt means just that, it hurts but can still be played on (ie a sprained ankle).
I do question Beanies durability, but I don’t question his ability. Mike Williams of Scouts, Inc agrees. If his input holds any value.

by Jesse Reynolds on Jun 3, 2011 12:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't doubt his ability

Just his will, desire and heart to produce no matter the obstacles.

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by Strohman on Jun 3, 2011 3:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well yes

no excuses for beanie he needs to produce this year. I feel Williams & Wells would be a good tandem with the Hyphen as the 3rd down back at times. Timmy is average with fumble problems and a rfa. Nothing really against him I would just go in another direction. Thats the point what would we do if it was our team, our money, our decision for our reasons.

by draft on Jun 3, 2011 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

This
The only thing keepin Beanie from overtaking Hightower Is his health.

is what Mike McCarthy refers to as ‘availability and accountability’.
It means everything.

"It's a great day to be great, baby!"

"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."

THE BEARS STILL SUCK!

by NorthStarr on Jun 4, 2011 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

oh thank the good lord

another Packer fan with deep insights on the Cardinals.

by KDean75 on Jun 5, 2011 6:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

You disagree with that, then?

And, I’m here as a football fan, to talk football with other football fans, not as a Packer fan, per se.

Problem with that?

"It's a great day to be great, baby!"

"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."

THE BEARS STILL SUCK!

by NorthStarr on Jun 5, 2011 7:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

I am, in fact,

touring through all of the fanpost sites throughout the league for that purpose. :)

Have a great day.

"It's a great day to be great, baby!"

"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."

THE BEARS STILL SUCK!

by NorthStarr on Jun 5, 2011 7:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think we all want to talk Cardinals football

Bringing up Mike McCarthy doesn’t have anything to do with the Cardinals.

We all bleed Cardinal Red, but most of us don't recognize it!

"It takes no talent to give great effort"--Chris Petersen

by robloosli on Jun 5, 2011 6:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

as

Robloosli mentions, Mike McCarthy has no bearing on this conversation, at all. Make a football comment all you want, but why don’t you at least make the comment relevant to the conversation.
You could make your point without bringing up McCarthy,City of Green Bay, Ted Thompson, LeRoy Butler, Aaron Rodgers, Lambeau Field.
If you can’t, then you are just here to troll.

by KDean75 on Jun 6, 2011 5:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

Bringing up McCarthy was relevant,

because ‘availability abd accountability’ was relevant to what you said, and Mac keeps saying that, I happen to know avout that.

"It's a great day to be great, baby!"

"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."

THE BEARS STILL SUCK!

by NorthStarr on Jun 6, 2011 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

Don't mind them

We appreciate input from anyone.

by Jesse Reynolds on Jun 6, 2011 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

as long as there is

a general respect for the site it is — a Cards site. That’s what we ask.

Like the Cardinals? Revenge of the Birds is where to go.
Like Arizona Sports in general? SB Nation Arizona is where you'll get it all.
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by Jess Root on Jun 6, 2011 10:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thank you,

to both of you.

As I have previously stated, I am currently in the middle of visiting all of the NFL teams’ fanpost sites, as a football fan wishing to talk football with other football fans, regardless of team affiliation, and I always try to remember where I am and be respectful when I am on another team’s site.

Now, in talking football, I will occasionally mention my team, when I think that doing so is relevant to the discussion.

IMO, there is nothing wrong with that, as long as one doesn’t come over and act like a true troll by hurling insults and spewing other vitriol in a calculated effort to tick off the host site’s fans.

We at Acme Packing Company often welcome visitors from other teams’ sites, including those of our division rivals, who do the same.

There is almost always mutual respect and hearty conversation about football, in general, and about our teams, in particular, and, you know what?
Sometimes I learn something that I didn’t previously know. Imagine that. :)

Finally, I at least am wise enough to know better than to lump all of a team’s fans in with a small, acidic minority, and will be happy to talk football with any Cardinal fans who want to come over to APC and do what I am doing here.

I love football, and have been having a blast on this tour that I have been taking of the fanpost sites.

Best of luck luck to the Cardinals in 2011.

PS: Happy D-Day, everybody, and please join me in thanking, and saluting, The Greatest Generation! :)

"It's a great day to be great, baby!"

"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."

THE BEARS STILL SUCK!

by NorthStarr on Jun 6, 2011 11:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

So, I guess

Cardinal fans aren’t open to talking football with other football fans who happen to be fans of other teams?

Because, this comment that you +1000’d is the closest thing to a hostile reaction that I have received from any of the 15 teams’ sites that I have visited since I decided, a couple of weeks ago, to visit every team’s site for that purpose.

  • Have a great day. :)

"It's a great day to be great, baby!"

"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."

THE BEARS STILL SUCK!

by NorthStarr on Jun 5, 2011 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Its just him...

He doesn’t like any disenting voices of reason! Gotta be 100% Cards Homer or he calls you a troll. Funny thing is, on another thread, he was called a troll by other Cards Fans!! I LMAO at that!

http://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2011/5/26/2191079/the-ugly-truth-kevin-kolb

About 3/4 of the way down the thread followed by a comment by me titled. LMAO.

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by Strohman on Jun 5, 2011 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

please

specifically show which comment refers to me as a “troll”. There are 800 comments on that thread.

by KDean75 on Jun 6, 2011 5:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

and

whoops, wasn’t directed at me.

by KDean75 on Jun 6, 2011 7:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

The comment below this one is why

Nobody wants to hear anything about the Green Bay Packers, no offense in particular, thank the poster below me…Until he started blowing up our boards I had no idea that if the Green Bay Packers played themselves the universe would indeed, implode.

by Cardsfan928 on Jun 5, 2011 7:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hightower

He is a RFA right now. The main problem that you guys are going to run into is that Zack Miller is going to get franchised by the Raiders.

by Nick Thoreson on Jun 2, 2011 12:44 PM MDT reply actions  

I don't see Miller in AZ.

You just drafted a TE in the 3rd didn’t you? And its not like they have shown much of an interest in throwing to or utilizing the TE’s the way it is. Some of that is a complete lack of talent at the position, but even so…

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by Strohman on Jun 2, 2011 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

And the cost is pretty prohibitive.

Plus he was franchised, wasn’t he? Pretty much ends the debate right there.

by Jesse Reynolds on Jun 3, 2011 12:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

No

He wasn’t Franchised in time. I only make the move if we are gearing towards a power run offense and utilizing the TE position hence needing three. Yet the O Line was my priority with Miller more of a luxury.

by draft on Jun 3, 2011 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

Beanie

He’s leaning toward another first round blunder to me, but in his defense the way he played in college put his body through a beating. Which will only get worst in the NFL, I’d be happy if we get monster seasons and when it comes time to resign him let him go elsewhere, because if he actually does stay healthy the next few seasons it probably won’t last for long.

by Cardsfan928 on Jun 2, 2011 3:52 PM MDT reply actions  

His scouting report going into the draft included...

Injury prone and an unwllingness to play thru a variety of minor injuries. Like you said… Leaning stronglly toward a 1st round blunder!

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by Strohman on Jun 2, 2011 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Playing through an injury for almost all of last season

Makes him inwilling to play through nagging injuries now?

The guy has only been here for two seasons, it is too early to call him a bust. Even if he was a disapointment last year. In his rookie year, he showed what he can do when healthy and getting 15-20 carries a game during the second half of the season when our ground game was also vastly improved.

The Cardinals need to see what he can do next year before they make any decisions on him.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

by JoeCB1991 on Jun 2, 2011 4:15 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

playing thru injuries...

Means doing so, while still putting up reliable consistent numbers. If he has to take a seat every time he twists his big toe, he’s useless… ANd I don’t care what the injuries were, if he suited up, he wasn’t injured, thats the NFL code! Still making all the usual excuses for a lack of production I see… He was acitve for 30 of 32 games in his career and has yet to produce. If it smells of a bust, talks like a bust and acts like a bust, it IS a bust!

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by Strohman on Jun 2, 2011 7:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

You know what

I’m getting a feeling a lot of this is because you don’t like Ohio State. Not that I care for them in any way, I’m just getting that vibe out of you.

And I am not making excuses for his play last year, he was injured and he had a bad year. What do you want me to say, that he is a bust because he had a knee injury that he played through but couldn’t put up good numbers?

All I am saying is that he needs one more year, what the hell is wrong with that? You don’t just give up on a player after two years, especially if you have seen that they can play well.

Also, it doesn’t matter if Hightower is the starter because of how Whiz wants to split carries among the two. Its like Bryan Robinson starting but Dan Williams taking most of the snaps towards the end of the year.

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by JoeCB1991 on Jun 2, 2011 7:58 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Like I believe I asked before...

How long do you give a RB. You just answered it. I don’t care for OSU, but it has nothing to do w/ where Beannie went to college. Honestly, If he were a Badger I would be saying the same thing. College football means little to me, except as it relates to the players ability in the NFL.

Every player is hurt by the 4th game or so.. Some can still play, other cannot. The ones that cannot, don’t last in the league.

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by Strohman on Jun 2, 2011 10:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

The difference with Beanie

in this case was the type of injury. He was recovering from knee surgery. Yes, if he was playing he is expected to produce. But knee injuries for a guy who runs and needs explosion take time to get full speed again.

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by Jess Root on Jun 2, 2011 10:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Training staff.

Then your training staff is hurting the team by allowing a player who isn’t capable of being productive to play anyway. Is that what your saying? That makes even less sense, IMO.

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by Strohman on Jun 2, 2011 10:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Huh?

He was capable of playing, but limited reps.
We also had depth issues with RB’s last season because of the injury bug.

by Jesse Reynolds on Jun 3, 2011 12:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

If he's hurting the team.

And can’t produce as Jess suggested (knee injuries not allowing exposiveness and speed) he doesn’t belong on the field. Gotta find another way to win. We (Packers) played w/o a running game all year too. And before you come back w/ “but you have Rodgers”… It doesn’t matter. Put players on the field that can play and produce or don’t play them. Simple as that IMO…

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by Strohman on Jun 3, 2011 3:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

And quit

bringing up the Green Bay Packers.

by Cardsfan928 on Jun 3, 2011 6:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Itr was relevant...

No running game to speak of…

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by Strohman on Jun 3, 2011 8:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I remember a few games where Rodgers was the leading rusher

Such as the first game against Atlanta.

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by JoeCB1991 on Jun 3, 2011 9:34 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Good Memory

Also Detroit 2 and Chicago 2… And he was the 2nd leading rusher in about 5 games too. Rodgers led in rushing 3 games.

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by Strohman on Jun 3, 2011 9:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Stroh's point is a valid one.

Seems to me that if he wan’t fully recovered from the knee injury, to the point of being virtually non-productive, then he should have been placed on PUP to begin the season, ala James Starks (and Al Harris).

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by NorthStarr on Jun 4, 2011 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just stop

One thing that can’t be argued is the Cardinals have one of the best and longest running training staffs in the NFL, enough with your bashing already.

by Cardsfan928 on Jun 3, 2011 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Lott is an excellent S and C coach.

But the athletic trainers and team Dr.‘s? I seriously doubt that! I used to be an S and C coach on a much lower level, so I know Lott is among the best, but I’ve never heard a good thing about the athletic trainers or Team Dr’s.

You saying it is not going to convince me otherwise. Now if you have some documentation I might be interested in reading it.

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by Strohman on Jun 3, 2011 8:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

36 years with the same head trainer.

Unfortunately he retired, but our injury issues only sprung up this season more than usual, the last few seasons most of our superstars managed to stay very healthy.

by Cardsfan928 on Jun 3, 2011 9:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Another Bidwell Cronie...

Same head trainer for 36 years doesn’t make him one of the best.

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by Strohman on Jun 3, 2011 9:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

You don't watch a lot of Cardinals games do you?

The play calling over the past 2 years didn’t give Beanie much of a chance to show what he could do, except for the last 5-6 games his rookie year. When he was actually given the chance to run the ball he was explosive.
When the entire team sucks, and the line and QB play is the worst of it, I don’t care if you have Adrian Peterson in the backfield, your RB is going to look bad.

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by robloosli on Jun 2, 2011 7:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just about every game.

Not nearly as close as I watch my Packers, but I watch. Play calling, the OL, his injuries… Lots of built in excuses, is all I see.

Speaking of AD, you could have had him… Remember? He put up 1300 yds and a 4.6 ave, behind a poor Vikes OL last year.

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by Strohman on Jun 2, 2011 10:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Adrian Peterson

Also got the ball a ton, and wasn’t playing through a million injuries.

by Skii on Jun 3, 2011 12:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

Only fumbled once last year with over 300 touches

Counting carries and catches.

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by JoeCB1991 on Jun 3, 2011 1:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

You also know about Adrian Wilson's injury

He didn’t get surgery for it until the offseason, he was hurt all year. But you are saying that if you suit up you aren’t injured?

Players play through injuries all the time. And no, playing through injuries does not mean that you are still puttibg up good numbers while doing so. It means that you are injured and you decide to suit up and play through it.

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by JoeCB1991 on Jun 2, 2011 8:02 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

If you suit up your hurt, not injured.

Thats the NFL. Your teammates and coaches don’t care. If you suit up you have to produce. Go ask them on twitter… Bet they tell you the same thing.

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by Strohman on Jun 2, 2011 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

1. I'd hold a party in a hot tub.

With smoking hot college girls. Cuz I’m rich baby! Rich! (p.s. Matty your not invited).

2. Then I’d find out where the Bidwells buy their bow ties. So I can look sharp on game days.

3. I’d put Philip Marlowe on retainer to investigate the private lives of the other 31 team owners and other key personnel around the league. I would then use all the dirt he uncovered for maximum leverage in negotiating.

4. I would fire every ball boy in the building and replace them with the ice girls from next door.

by hadrarius on Jun 2, 2011 7:53 PM MDT reply actions  

Gotta add, The Big Sleep is one of my favorite crime/noir books.

by Jesse Reynolds on Jun 3, 2011 12:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Raymond Chandler is awesome. Dashiell Hammett is pretty good too.

by hadrarius on Jun 3, 2011 7:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Best answer

actually all have been good but man that was awesome. Great debate guys.

by draft on Jun 3, 2011 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

sign fitz

we need to sign fitz and build the team and do what ever it takes to get andrew luck

by DREday1 on Jun 2, 2011 8:32 PM MDT reply actions  

The only way we can get Andrew Luck

Is if we tank a whole season. I don’t care how bad we are, we’re not going to lose every game, or close to it, to get the 1st pick. Honestly, if we do have another bad season, it’ll probably be like the last one: 5-11, or something around that, which means a high 1st Round pick, but not high enough.

by Skii on Jun 3, 2011 12:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

How'd I roll

Total offensive roster spots (25)

QB: Anderson should take up a different challenging sport. Retirement. He has no potential, even as a clipboard. A wasted roster spot. (Spots 3)
1A)Carson Palmer: If he’s available, I bring him in from Cincy. He gets to throw to Fitz, has sold his house and real estate in AZ is warm as opposed to a cold wet winter.
1B)Kyle Orton: If Cincy owner loses his mind and won’t trade Palmer…I feel we evaluate Skelton and Bartel. Orton gives us time to do so. 3 years to develop Skelton or a draft pick into the “Franchise.” Orton can throw the rock. So I offer Denver a trade. Next year 2.
2) Skelton: Here’s to potential. I liked what I saw last year, but he needs to develop.
3) Bartel: Better than Hall. Knows the play-book from last year.

RB: Wright is going to retire. Bet on it. (Spots 4)
1)Hightower: Not elite, but has improved year after year. Picks up the blitz, does the small things. 4.8 ypc <————Fix the fumbles Timmy.
2)Wells: This is year three. Junior year is make or break year. Show me what you working wit.
2)Williams: 2nd round pick. Nothing else to say.
3)Stevens-Howling: Exciting change of pace back. Special teams scoring threat. And did I mention heart?

WR: Doucet is a goner, thank you for your time, but he isn’t well enough to produce. (Spots 5)
1) Fizt: Do you follow the Cards? Lock him up. Orton can chuck the rock that will help.
2) Breaston: Anyone think no signing Boldin was a mistake? Dude was a warrior. Want to make that same mistake again?
3) Roberts: I questioned the pick, and for a while he proved me correct. But he righted his course.
4) Williams: As a #4, with Fitz and Breaston around him, I can see him develop into a steal. Get a bit stronger.
5) Komar/Sampson – The loser of the training camp battle goes to the practice squad.

TE: Buh Buh. No, really, buh buh. There is the door Mr. Patrick. Thank you for your time here. (Spots 3)
1A) Kevin Boss: If his price is reasonable, I pluck him from the Giants. He can catch. He can block. He can mentor.
1B) Spach: If I can’t swing a deal for Boss. He knows the play book, can block, has a mean streak, and would mentor.
2) Dray: Played in his rookie year. Made plays. Didn’t make plays. Another year to mentor, and we should see more plays than not. Blocks well.
3) Housler: 3rd rounder. Prove me wrong kid, I don’t like the pick.

LT: Watch me, I’m the kind of owner who knows that a team wins games, but that is takes commitment to do so, even financially. And Levi Brown is a BUST at LT currently.
1A) Doug Free: I go get Doug Free from Dallas, pony up the $ folks. I don’t overspend, but he is quality.
1B) Jammal Brown: If Dallas spends the loot to keep Free, I offer Brown a contract, and see if the Redskins blink.

RT) That was also a bit of a mess last year. But I have a plan, and $…
1A) Marshal Yanda: Once again, a little bit of cash to spend. I sneak him away from Baltimore with a competitive offer and a chance to start. He can also play guard.
1B) Levi Brown: We all know he can’t play LT, but he can play the RT spot. Let him challenge Yanda for it. He also knows the play book.

LG) Still spending that dough. I’m committed to a winning product.
1A) Justin Blalock: Atlanta has two guards coming into UFA status this year. Atlanta has a solid line. And Blalock is a solid all around LG. I make him a good offer, and a chance to start in sunny AZ.
1B) Hadnot: If I cant pull Blalock, Hadnot becomes the starter. Regardless, he knows the play book and is solid depth at G and T.

RG) I’m going crazy here. Goodbye Duece, good luck. The Yanda vs Brown battle at RT determines the winner here.
1A) Yanda: I still bring him in from Balti, but Brown beats him out for the RT job.
1B) Brown: Yanda beats him out for the RT job.

C:
1) Sendlien: I resign him, constant, professional.

Other OL:
Bridges: Knows the play book. A solid piece at backup, and can play G and T.
Keith: Project at RT. Who knows. Knows the play book.
Claxton: Depth at C. Knows the play book
Hadnot: Knows the play book. A solid piece at backup, and can play G and T.

OL (Spots 9)

FB: There can be only one. (Spots 1)
Anthony Sherman: This years 5th round pick.

And I’d make sure this BS lockout was put to bed.

by cdeveau on Jun 4, 2011 3:43 AM MDT reply actions  

This

would have been a solid FanPost for its length

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by Jess Root on Jun 4, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

If I suddenly found myself

as the majority owner of a team,
I would hire a solid, detail-oriented football man to be in charge of football operations, and then I would stay out of his way and enjoy watching my team win multiple Super Bowls. :)

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You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."

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by NorthStarr on Jun 4, 2011 4:01 PM MDT reply actions  

I would......

Loose the black jerseys

Come up with a better name for the stadium. After finally getting out of Sun Devil Stadium UofP really rubs me the wrong way (yea I know they are different, but still) Maybe name the joint after the previous owner Who made it possible.

Hire Kurt Warner in some capacity, before the Rams do. He is a winner, period, it rubs off on people.

Free beer/soda in the first half. $50 to use the bathrooms at halftime, second half reverts back to regular price

Wardrobe malfunctions acceptable for cheerleaders

Much like the success of bobble head giveaways in baseball. We will have Deuce Lutui bubble butt dolls

Protect the nest plans now include immediate ejection of Cowboys and Niners fans.

Pin the tail on Derek Anderson game in the family section.

Ron Wolfley will simply be known as Sir Wolf

screw the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheiem, We are going to be the Racine-Chigago-St Louis- Phoenix -Arizona Normal Cardinals, Morgan Athletic Club of Glendale Chew on that Chis Berman

Denny Green in the ring of honor, He brought us Fitz

Signature stadium food, Grilled Korn on the Kolb

Pat Tillman’s wife receives first Super Bowl ring, what ever year it happens.

Bring back the black jerseys hey I am business man, and those things sell

loose the new black jerseys, they still look too much like Atlanta

Chicago Cubs - Arizona Cardinals 168 combined years and no rings
I guess I'm a masochist

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