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Arizona Cardinals Positonal Review/Preview: Running Backs


The running back unit on this team has always had high hopes placed on them, but whatever the reason the Cardinals just cannot get a consistent ground game going, the last 1000 yard back here was Edgerrin, who really proved his quality during his time here, running behind a poor offensive line and still racking up back to back 1000 yard seasons. In 2010 the Cardinals finished 32nd in rushing yards, as drop from the 6 year high of 28th set in 2009, and the 2nd time since Ken Whisenhunt arrived and the 3rd time in the past 6 seasons they had finished dead last in rushing.

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The Cardinals have ranked 20th or worse in rushing yards in the NFL every year bar one since the turn of the millennia that year being 2002 when they finished 15th. On the brightside the 2010 year did see then churn out a few big plays on the ground and finished a respectable 10th equal in YPC, but the underlying problem is an issue.

2007 was Edgerrin James’ final year with the team, and also the first for Tim Hightower, the former Spider and fifth round selection was never meant to have the impact he has, but he has been a very pleasant surprise with the ball in hand, and managed to find an extra gear in 2010 to break off some long runs, however basic errors such as dropping passes and fumbles have soured the solid overall game of Hightower who is capable of being a true 3 down back.   

In 2009 the Cardinals thought they had found their feature back in Chris "Beanie" Wells but after an impressive rookie season he struggled to make an impact in 2010, injuries, game situations and outside influences led to a poor season.

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Wells has a chance to seize the starting job in 2011

Obviously the ground game is of a high priority to the Cardinals coaches as in the 2011 draft they added Ryan Williams, the rsSo from Virginia Tech burst onto the scene as a rsFr, before battling through a crowded backfield and injuries to post a subpar 2010 season. A real surprise to even enter the draft, the surprise was magnified when the Cardinals, a team thought to have their future on the ground already on the roster snapped him up early on in the 2nd round. How he will fit into another crowded backfield in Arizona is a question without any clear answers at this stage, but he will get carries.

The fourth back and special teams ace Larod Stephens-Howling, LSH or the Hyphen is somewhat of a fan favourite, but his role is not likely to be on offense in the future, despite continual statements the team wants to get the diminutive runner into the lineup more often, the actions speak louder than words, and he has not seen as many touches on offense as he could have, still his value as an all round special teamer means he more than deserves a spot on the roster.

Running backs will be a position to really keep an eye on if and when Training Camp opens. It is really an open competition between the top three backs Williams, Wells and Hightower, solid running up the middle and ball security will be keys to winning the job. Wells will likely have a chip on his shoulder to come out and make the job his, a motivated 6-1 230 pound back with sneaky speed could be a great sight for Cardinals fans, but his tendency to pick up niggling injuries that limit his effectiveness is a worry. Tim Hightower as mentioned earlier is a back who is a legitimate threat on all three downs, but he can tend to "dance" a little in the backfield when he should hit a hole and take the 3 or 4 yards on offer. He needs to improve his ball security and overall efficiency, it is really a make or break season for Hightower who could be the team’s starting back in week 1, or he could find himself looking for a new team. Ryan Williams is going to be the wildcard. He has the ability to stamp his authority on the position and start from day one if he shows up in shape and ready to work, but more than likely he will be a rotational back as a rookie, and his in game performances will dictate how the running back position will shape up coming into 2012.

All four mentioned are near locks for the roster at this stage with very little competition posed by the likes of Alphonso Smith and Jason Wright seemingly leaning towards calling it a day in the NFL.

Week 1 Depth Chart

RB1: Beanie Wells

RB2: Ryan Williams

RB3: Tim Hightower

End of Season Depth Chart

RB1: Beanie Wells

RB2: Ryan Williams

RB3: Tim Hightower

Key Performer: Beanie Wells, If Wells can put his promise on the field he has the potential to be a 1400 yard back with a dozen trips to the endzone. I don’t expect anything close to that, but I do expect a healthy and motivated Wells to win the starting job in camp and run with it, literally. Though the three backs will likely spend most of the season in a rotation Wells should become the lead option, and the go to man in key situations.

One to Watch: Ryan Williams, Williams as a rookie has a lot to prove and in a short space of time. But I the kid sounds like he is ready to knuckle down and do the necessary leg work. He is likely to fill a backup role as he develops within the offense, learns the blocking schemes and will be the #1 spell back for Wells, while Hightower puts his blocking and pass catching ability to good use as the 3rd down back. He could surprise a lot of us and end up starting, but with Whisenhunt in charge I would highly doubt that, and it would be based more on the abilities or lack thereof of Wells and Hightower.

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Why do you figure Williams as the #2 over Hightower?

Sure, Hightower may be in the dog house over his fumbling but I’m not sure that’s enough edge for Williams to take over as the #2 guy, at least not at the start of the season. Whis puts a lot of emphasis on things other than lugging the rock, like pass protection – a reason given by him for Beanie being the #2 behind Highower. Ultimately I think you’re right. Hightower will end up the #3 or he will get traded / picked up as a restricted free agent. Just curious what your reasons are for it happening so early.

by hadrarius on Jun 9, 2011 11:02 PM MDT reply actions  

Agree

Can’t see Williams over Hightower to start the year. As always, great to read your takes.

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by Jess Root on Jun 9, 2011 11:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Note the last paragraph. I think Williams is going to be the guy who will spell Beanie on first downs, and Hightower is going to spent a lot of time on the field in short yardage and 3rd down situations where he has excelled in the past.

by khodder on Jun 10, 2011 2:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

You sound very optimistic.

However given the stunning stat you gave I can’t say it is. I knew they were bad running the ball, but didn’t realize they were completely inept. 3 of 6 years finishing dead last in rushing? OUCH!

Wells has talent, doesn’t seem to have the heart, drive or determination to be an NFL RB. Williams was over-drafted IMO and should have been more along the lines of a 3rd round pick. Hightower has the drive and determination, just not the talent.

Goes back to the drafting of Levi, instead of the franchise… Sorry to say, but its true. Good Luck with this. And to think Whis came from a dominant running team like Pitts… This has to rank as a major failing of his tenure.

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by Strohman on Jun 10, 2011 12:08 AM MDT reply actions  

Part of the drafting of Levi was because Russ Grimm wanted him

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by JoeCB1991 on Jun 10, 2011 12:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

to be fair

wells hasnt gotten consistent PT

by forget on Jun 10, 2011 1:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

To continue being fair.

A couple of the recent low finishes can be blamed on how extremely good the QB and receivers were. Filling the air with footballs doesn’t lead to a #1 finish in rushing stats. Now we don’t have a QB who can remember which color uniform his guys are wearing or hit them when he does. Runners aren’t a feature in a game of catch-up. Another situation of not a lot of carries = not a lot of yards.. Is the backfield, other than some fumbleitis, already a decent area??

No fear of your QB means I can look hard at your RB.
The OL here is constantly ragged on as not doing even a decent job..
Some might see it as impressive to finish 10th in YPC with that supporting cast.
How good might that number already be if there were a couple of blocks of granite to lead the way??
Maybe with a good OL and a good QB, those good RB are already on the roster?? Just a thought.

Williams might be a good addition. But, if the general opinion is correct, the most important addition to the the rushing attack will be found in the OL and QB positions.

by Revenge of the Birds on Jun 10, 2011 7:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

I just wonder how many games you actually watch.

Your description of many of our athletes is off. Beanie was sidelined by injuries, not lack of effort or heart.
I do agree about Whiz though, he has really failed in the run game.
Also to mention, as much as Levi is a failure in pass protection he is pretty dominate in the run game.

by Jesse Reynolds on Jun 10, 2011 1:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

In 2009 the Cardinals thought they had found their feature back in Chris “Beanie” Wells but after an impressive rookie season he struggled to make an impact in 2010, injuries, game situations and outside influences led to a poor season.

Did you miss that, injuries, game situation (Playing from behind), outside influences (OL not opening up great holes)

by khodder on Jun 10, 2011 2:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

He is not as great as he is inept, but he is good, behind RT (with RT and RG being the major blockers) the Cards averaged 4.41 YPC on 61 carries.

Brown is arguably the worst pass blocking tackle in the league, and he is an above average run blocker.

by khodder on Jun 10, 2011 2:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Williams was that badly overdrafted (had him in the 40’s overall) I just thought the team was going to look elsewhere, with Tim and Beanie on board, why draft another RB that early?

by khodder on Jun 10, 2011 2:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

BPA

Williams wasn’t a very logical choice, but let’s say he ends up being as productive as say, Maurice Jones-Drew, Now he and Fred Taylor did some serious damage to teams not all that long ago,(Remember when Del Rio would open a game with a drive that they did nothing but run and eat 10 minutes off the clock) can anyone name a member of the Jags offensive line? Beanie and Williams could pair up to make a clock grinding nightmare.

by Cardsfan928 on Jun 10, 2011 5:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

There's nothing about Whisenhunt's

tenure that remotely even sniffs failing or failure, having said that what coach in there outright mind would try and pound the rock constantly when at one point the best WR tandem and a Qb who loved to the ball all over the field are in your starting lineup?

by Cardsfan928 on Jun 10, 2011 5:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would say a running game that is dead last is an epic failure.

The OL is horrid and he’s gone thru 3 D Coordinators! Except when he had a QB, which is now another failure, he’s had losing records. Thats not at all unusual tho. The running game, OL, and the fact that he’s on his 3rd DC all have to be considered failures, IMO. I think he’s a good HC, but he better get the team turned around soon.

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by Strohman on Jun 10, 2011 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agree on 3 accounts.

Run game, O-line and 3 defensive coordinator. Whis has only had one losing season though, 2010. The Cardinals under Whisenhunt have finished 8-8, 9-7, 10-6, 5-11.

by hadrarius on Jun 10, 2011 6:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sigh
Except when he had a QB, which is now another failure, he’s had losing records.

Obviously you will have losing records (one, in 2010) when you don’t have a QB. No, DA is not a QB in case you were wondering.

by Tyler Nickel on Jun 10, 2011 11:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

2007 was Edgerrin James’ final year with the team, and also the first for Tim Hightower, the former Spider and fifth round selection was never meant to have the impact he has, but he has been a very pleasant surprise with the ball in hand, and managed to find an extra gear in 2010 to break off some long runs, however basic errors such as dropping passes and fumbles have soured the solid overall game of Hightower who is capable of being a true 3 down back.

In 2008 the Cardinals thought they had found their feature back in Chris “Beanie” Wells but after an impressive rookie season he struggled to make an impact in 2010, injuries, game situations and outside influences led to a poor season.

Change that to 2008 and 2009

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by JoeCB1991 on Jun 10, 2011 12:27 AM MDT reply actions  

At work writing without much focus, dates get muddled.

by khodder on Jun 10, 2011 2:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

I've done similar things a couple of times

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by JoeCB1991 on Jun 10, 2011 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

If the “tenders” stick he has one more year. If not he is gone. I agree. I just tend to think those RFA tenders will have influence this season.

He is not necessarily the #3 back, but moreso the situational back. He will see a lot of time on 3rd downs where his blocking ability will shine through, and on short yardage situations where his ability to turn nothing into 2 yards can be of a great benefit.

by khodder on Jun 10, 2011 2:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

He'd definitely be a good #3 RB

If the tenders stick, then yes, there’s a chance. But he’s probably going to want to be the staring RB, but after drafting Ryan Williams, I have a feeling that the Coaching Staff/FO have already decided that he’s gone.

by Skii on Jun 10, 2011 2:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not so easy to just go be the starter elsewhere.

With his fumbling problems teams won’t be jumping at the bit for him. Any where he goes he will have to contend with others just like in Arizona. I think it’s more likely he gets traded rather than picked up in free agency. I get the same feeling that the coaches are ready to let him go, either this year or next.

by hadrarius on Jun 10, 2011 6:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hightower stays. Beanie Wells - trade bait

I seriously think that Beanie’s time here is coming to an end. I think it may be possible that he is used as trade bait to pick up a QB once the lockout is lifted, Orton or Kolb?

Last year he was woeful. Injuries, inconsistencies aside, we know that Whiz believes in leaders, strong work ethics and heart. I get the feeling Beanie has none of these, and is just happy to get out on the field occasionally and pick up his pay check. His recent comments in regards to the Ohio situation and players should get payed solidifies this.

Hightower struggled, yes, but we all know he has the heart, the drive and determination to get through this. And considering our O-line, we still need an RB that can pass protect when called upon.

Williams is a great addition, if nothing more, sends a message to Wells and Hightower, mistakes, poor attitude and lack luster efforts will not be tolerated.

by OzinPhx on Jun 10, 2011 10:43 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Beanie’s time here is coming to an end

I’ve said that for awile… But they don’t want to hear it. They all think he has superstar potential yet! I think Whis is tired of Wells not playing and not playing well and not playing thru minor injuries! I think they are making alot of excuses, cuz they don’t want to admit the guys been a failure. Any way you cut it, he’s been a failure.

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by Strohman on Jun 10, 2011 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

When Beanie was healthy in the 2nd half of his rookie year

He was an above average Running Back. I don’t hear anyone shouting superstar, but Beanie definitely has trhe ability to be a better than average RB in the NFL. Health plays a major role here obviously, and the fact that we tran the ball less than every other team in the NFL over the past 2 seasons is also a factor. If only 1 of Beanie or Hightower is coming back, it’s Beanie.

You don’t give up on a first round pick after 2 seasons. He is definitely not going anywhere this year.

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by robloosli on Jun 10, 2011 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Beanie

Does have superstar potential. Just not production

by Cardsfan928 on Jun 10, 2011 5:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah

That’s not just something I hear around here, either.

by tw3kr on Jun 10, 2011 6:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

He was a 1st Round draft pick two years ago

In the 2nd half of his Rookie year, he was very good. You don’t cut a guy so soon after that.

Honestly, if you think Beanie Wells is an NFL bust, then I don’t want to argue with you, because I can tell you’re just going to push aside anything I say, and continue to hate on him.

by Skii on Jun 10, 2011 8:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

He may not be a bust yet...

But he’s living on the edge. If he doesn’t become the starter this year he has to be considered a bust. He still hasn’t beaten out Tim Hightower for gods sake. Fact is he’s been active in 30 of 32 NFL games and has 2 starts (probably when Hightower was hurt). That doesn’t speak very highly of him.

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by Strohman on Jun 10, 2011 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Even though he was the backup in 09 for the entire year

He had more yards and carries than Hightower.

Beanie: 176 carries, 793 yards, 7 Touchdowns.

Hightower: 143 carries, 598 yards, 8 Touchdowns

Starting doesn’t mean anything in the platoon system Whiz runs since both guys would be getting carries and whoever had the hot hand during the current game would get more carries even if they were the backup.

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by JoeCB1991 on Jun 11, 2011 1:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

Whatever...

Whats the point of competition then?

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by Strohman on Jun 11, 2011 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly

One game late in the season neither Beanie nor Timmy started. It was Jason Wright and Hyphen for the first play. Being starter means very little if u play 5 snaps

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by Jess Root on Jun 11, 2011 8:32 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Whiz has almost always

Started experienced players over younger plays. HT is Beanies senior by a year. HT also had playoff experience before Beanie arrived. Same with D. Will and Robinson. Towards the end of the season though D. Will was logging more snaps than Robinson.
You don’t give up a on a RB, or any position after two years. Look with what happened with Darren McFadden (oh look a non Cardinals/Packers reference).

by Jesse Reynolds on Jun 11, 2011 7:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nice example

Looked like a massive bust before this year.

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by JoeCB1991 on Jun 11, 2011 8:15 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Fixed that for me...

The better more reliable player starts at least in winning organizations! LOL

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by Strohman on Jun 12, 2011 12:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Eagles have McCoy. Wells would not be much in the way of trade bait for them.

If they just absolutely have to have a player from the Cardinals (which I don’t believe for a second) it would make much more sense for them to push for a corner which they apparently need.

by hadrarius on Jun 10, 2011 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

or

Dockett perhaps he fits the scheme Philly plays much better

by Cardsfan928 on Jun 10, 2011 7:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Dockett fits the Philly scheme very well

He would be playing 3 tech DT for a 4-3 team that likes DT to penetrate. Thats a perfect fit for Dockett. Do you honestly think the Cards would trade Dockett tho? Not sure how much the Iggles Need a DT either.

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by Strohman on Jun 10, 2011 10:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hard to say,

but Dockett is worth a first and maybe more for a team that runs a 4-3

by Cardsfan928 on Jun 10, 2011 11:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Worth

He’s not old, but he’s what about 28? So given the number of years left and his sizeable contract, Dockett wouldn’t bring a 1st. Teams won’t trade a top draft pick for a guy that will only be productive for another few years. Thats not enough return on investment for a 1st. Probably bring a 3rd at best, IMO, unless you can get Al Davis to trade for him! LOL

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by Strohman on Jun 10, 2011 11:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh please

Dockett has at least 5 more outstanding seasons left

by Cardsfan928 on Jun 10, 2011 11:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Looked it up...

He’s 30. Pass rushers don’t usually last much past 30 yrs old. I would say 2 productive years left. Jenkins (7 1/2 sacks) is probably leaving the Packers in FA and he’s 30. And he is better than Dockett, at least this past year. No way at age 30 he brings more than a 3rd, and probably not even that much. Sorry to burst your bubble.

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by Strohman on Jun 10, 2011 11:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Okay, Stop bringing up the Packers

and quit trolling on this site, Jenkins being better than Dockett is a matter of opinion, and if Jenkins was/is so good, why isn’t he locked up long term, go away now.

by Cardsfan928 on Jun 11, 2011 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

Locked up

He’s not locked up cuz he’s 30 and only started 28 of 48 games the past 3 yrs due to various injuries. But even tho he only played in 11 games last year he put up more sacks than Dockett. And he’s better against the run, so while it is an opinion that he’s better than Dockett, the facts bear it out. Not too mention our GM has a plan and already drafted his replacement last year.

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by Strohman on Jun 11, 2011 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Difference of schemes

How often was Jenkins double teamed versus DD? Not often, as DD was double team almost every single play. You’re defensive players really don’t compare because of your vastly superior LB’s which I have said before change the dynamics of the game and who the offense keys on. Also, your team was in the lead more often allowing for more opportunities to pin back the ears and rush. I’ve said it to you several times, defensive stats don’t matter. Espn has Dockett and Calais ranked better than Jenkins. You call us homers, well here’s your crow.

by Jesse Reynolds on Jun 11, 2011 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Now you use ESPN

But every other time they are called clueless media idiots! Can’t have it both ways… Either their credible or they aren’t! Which is it?

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by Strohman on Jun 11, 2011 4:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Have I ever?

I have used ESPN several times when debating. Just look back at all of our conversations… I even brought up this same points last time we talked about DD and Jenkins.
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by Jesse Reynolds on Jun 11, 2011 7:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

If you trade him to Oakland maybe.

But since thats unlikely… Good Teams don’t usually over-pay to keep their own 30+yr old players. Pitts is a perfect example. NE is another. They have younger, cheaper players on the roster to step in.

Dockett isn’t even near Seymours league! Seymour is among the best 34 DE of all time. Dockett is a nobody by comparison. One is HOF bound the other is simply going to retire.

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by Strohman on Jun 12, 2011 12:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

Watch that line

when you say one of the more dominant d-linemen is a nobody that sounds an awful like trolling. He may not have the career that Seymour has had but he is still one of the best and from what I have heard other coaches say is that they agree.

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by Jess Root on Jun 12, 2011 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

You don't expect me to keep track of who is and isn't a ESPN fan do you?

All I know is almost everyone thinks they are talking heads. And I’m pretty sure I’ve heard it hear…

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by Strohman on Jun 12, 2011 12:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

Dockett is still in his prime!

The first year he’s had any significant injury, and he still only missed one game. The guy still put up numbers, but when the entire team fails I guess your stat line doesn’t stand out as much. No member of a defense (especially D-line) is going to shine at a Probowl level when that defense plays 70% of the snaps every game.

by lifeinthepit00 on Jun 11, 2011 1:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

Didn't say he's not in his prime.

But for pass rushers that generally falls off after age 30. IMO, he has 2 strong years left and then starts to decline fairly rapidly.

If the D got more 3 and outs they wouldn’t be on the field for 70% of the plays. Good defenses get off the field quickly so they don’t have to play that many snaps. Not too hard to figure that out…

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by Strohman on Jun 11, 2011 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

What I think is funny

is in a lot of comments that I’ve read between Philly fans is they think they can some how pull off a Kolb for Peterson deal. HA! Keep dreaming Philly fans, keep dreaming.

by lifeinthepit00 on Jun 11, 2011 1:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

They also thought the 49ers drafted Aldon Smith so they could trade him for Kolb.

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by JoeCB1991 on Jun 11, 2011 1:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

I've been thinking the same thing. Bait for Palmer?

Just because it’s the Cardinals, I figured Beanie would leave here and become a mega star somewhere else (i.e. Thomas Jones). It’s just our luck.
But last season when Beanie called out Whisenhunt and the play calling, then bitching about his playing time, that’s when I could start seeing life without him. That was his lone start last season, and he was a non-factor. Granted, when you have the QB/ OL situation we did, any ground game would suffer. But when everyone else on the team says, ‘I have to play better, we all need to play better,’ and Wells was the only guy to point fingers and place blame elsewhere. And of all places to do it, he picks in front of the media. Whiz isn’t about to have a locker room cancer, that’s where the Williams pick came in IMO. Hightower may not have the elite talent that Wells has, but he’s far more valuable than Beanie is. Pass pro, durability, toughness, and a team first guy. Whisenhunt places far more value on players that do the little things right over players that have potential and do play up to it. It’s the Steeler way. Plax gave them trouble- gone. Ben gets in trouble-almost gone (franchise QBs are a tad harder to replace). Santonio Holmes- gets in a little trouble, and they trade him for a 5th and half a meatball sub. Just saying.

by lifeinthepit00 on Jun 11, 2011 1:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Don't remember this...

But last season when Beanie called out Whisenhunt and the play calling, then bitching about his playing time, that’s when I could start seeing life without him.

If that is true and given the fact that they drafted a RB in the 2nd round, I have to assume Whis has had enough of Beannie! Thanks for reminding us of this… Time to move on! Any time a player who hasn’t held up his end of the bargain complains about playing time, its usually a fairly quick exit from the team!

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by Strohman on Jun 11, 2011 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hightower also

Called out the playcalling in a KTAR interview. It wasn’t as obvious as Beanie’s but thought that he needed and wanted 15-20 carries a game.

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by Jess Root on Jun 11, 2011 1:40 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hightower is a Whiz tpye of guy.

I really think Beanie will be the one gone not Hightower. But that the feeling I get from this. If the OL does not change it does not matter who is back there running the ball.

by McCollum, Travis on Jun 10, 2011 5:12 PM MDT reply actions  

What's funny about

Hightower is when we picked him up I remember he had some high number of carries without a single fumble, and Edge was having ball control issues at the time.

by Cardsfan928 on Jun 10, 2011 5:44 PM MDT reply actions  

Why does anyone even entertain Strohman?

Does he even realize DD just recently transitioned to DE? He has been a DT most of his career. He has only been a “pass rusher” a few years so he still has many miles left on his legs.

If you don't have anything good to say about the Cards this season, you'd be correct.

by hevchv on Jun 12, 2011 8:28 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Seems to me that Dockett has played quite a bit of DE the past few years. Going all the way back to when Pendergast was the DC, they played a hybrid 34/43 and IIRC, Dockett played DE in the 34 portions. So exactly how is it that he “just recently transitioned to DE”? Dockett was/is an excellent pass rushing DT, but not so much as a DE… If the Cards are smart they move Dockett to a DT spot on passing downs like the Packers did w/ Jenkins this past year. Thats were he is at his best… Pass rushing as a DT. Maybe you should pay attention to me more?! LOL

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by Strohman on Jun 12, 2011 9:09 PM MDT reply actions  

reply fail

Should be a reply to hevchv…

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by Strohman on Jun 12, 2011 9:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

no reply fail, just fail.

It wasn’t a full time switch until we went to a full 3-4. Not just a hybrid. That’s like saying A Dub played LB because of the 3 safety sets where he played in the box. Really? I’m not the one to battle. I rarely speak until I have my stiff together. What’s your team again?

If you don't have anything good to say about the Cards this season, you'd be correct.

by hevchv on Jun 12, 2011 9:33 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

He still played it...

Pickett played NT last year and moved to DE this year, the year before Jolly made the same move. Obviously neither was ever a pass rusher, but there are alot of similarities between 34 DE and 43 DT. At 30 yrs of age, Dockett isn’t going to get better than he is now. Those are the Cold Hard Football Facts! LOL

Woodson played a role similar to ADub last year. At the LOS (like a LB on alot of downs) and he was basically another safety in alot of situations too, cov ering TE’s. I doubt ADub had a more varied role…

You know my team, no need to ask. And you also know why I come here…

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by Strohman on Jun 12, 2011 10:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

You come here because no one can stand you on your own site is my guess.

If you don't have anything good to say about the Cards this season, you'd be correct.

by hevchv on Jun 12, 2011 10:29 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

+10

Read a post over at APC called "Rodgers and Company gettting complacent, seems we are not the only ones tiring of someone.

by Cardsfan928 on Jun 13, 2011 6:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

Never mind

That my point was that Rodgers still holds the ball longer than he should. And according to ProFootballFocus, I was correct! Quote from PFF

Aaron Rodgers’s tendency to “invite pressure while buying an extra moment” or “taking far too long to get rid of the ball” which could be a problem going forward if he doesn’t change his style in an attempt to avoid future concussions.

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by Strohman on Jun 13, 2011 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

Your funny...

The Cards fan that other Cards fans called a troll is calling someone else out!!! LMAO

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by Strohman on Jun 13, 2011 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Dockett

was never an NT, and Woodson can’t hold a torch to ADub at the safety spot.

by Cardsfan928 on Jun 13, 2011 6:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

No Dockett wasn’t a NT, and I never said he was did I. Dockett was a 3 tech DT, which is fairly similar to a 34 DE. Do you seriously think Woodson couldn’t do whatever Wilson does… Woodson has more tackles the past 2 years than Wilson. More INT’s. He’s great in man coverage or zone… Woodson is flat out a better player. He’s a HOFer in waiting, is Wilson?

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by Strohman on Jun 13, 2011 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

In your mind.

LeRoy Butler has 38 INT’s and 21 sacks, All Decade 90’s team, 4 time All Pro and he aint getting any support for the HOF.

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by Strohman on Jun 13, 2011 5:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

So then Dockett came off the field when they played a 34?

I doubt that… That would mean he had to have played NT when Pendergast went 34. I doubt that even more. There isn’t much of a transition from playing 43 DT to 34 DE. Not the same, but pretty similar.

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by Strohman on Jun 13, 2011 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

Similar?

Except one position is a gap shooter and the other is a lane blocker, but yeah in some universe they must be similar

by Cardsfan928 on Jun 13, 2011 5:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Run game

A big part of the lack of run production is the fact hat the Cards were behind in games and playing catch up. Both Wells and Hightower are good runners…in fact Hightower was amazing last year, he looked faster. Both need to concentrate on holding on to the ball though. I think Williams arrival means someone lower on the depth chart will be cut rather than Wells or Hightower being moved.
I rather see Bulger signed or to trade for Orton or Flynn. I also wouldn’t mind picking up Braylon Edwards.

by Lomax Fan on Jun 13, 2011 5:20 PM MDT reply actions  

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