A Few Reason The Cardinals Should Seriously Consider Carson Palmer As "The Answer"
by khodder on Jul 13, 2011 9:47 AM MDT
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PrintI will be the first to admit that Carson Palmer is no longer, nor is he likely ever to return to, the form the he showed when leading the Bengals to a divisional title in 2005, his two serious injuries since that time have taken a toll on his performances, and while the knee injury may have seemed the worst, it is more the Tommy John surgery that has had the biggest negative impact on Carson's on field performances. Despite these issues Palmer has still performed well in the context of the entire NFL, he has managed to keep his completion percentage above 60 percent and throw more TD's than INT's in both of the past two seasons despite the perennial turmoil in Cincinnati.
Palmer is still a viable and possibly very good option for the Cardinals to look at as their Quarterback entering the 2011 season. Here are a few reasons why the Cardinals should look hard at Carson Palmer.
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1 - The Cardinals are guaranteed to play at least 9 games a season in a dome, with 8 home games and the trip to St Louis all indoors. Over the past two seasons Palmer has a QBR of over 95 when he plays indoors with a completion percentage of 70 percent, he has also managed to throw twice as many touchdowns as he has interceptions. Playing all eight home games and one road games indoors every season with games against the likes of one of New Orleans, Atlanta, Minnesota, Detroit, Dallas likely every season indoors could be of huge benefit to Carson Palmer who has spent his entire career in the wind and cold of the Northern Mid-East of the USA, playing road games in Baltimore and Pittsburgh every season.
2 - The Cardinals right now are a team that are lacking offensive leadership. Kurt Warner provided this team with a steadfast leader at Quarterback with Boldin a leader inside the locker room, both departed in the same offseason and with the star player (Fitzgerald) more of a quiet get on with his own game type of player, the Cardinals could use a leader. Palmer is a player with proven leadership skills. He has been able to deal with Chad Johnson and the drama that he brings; he has been able to rise above the stigma of the Cincinnati Bengals; Palmer is a proven leader, and that is huge in any Quarterback you wish to bring in.
3 - Price. This is a point that is going to be under conjecture, but it is likely that the price on Palmer will be much less than that on Kevin Kolb, and depending on how the Broncos feel about Orton, Palmer could be a cheaper option that him too. In terms of draft pick compensation value compared to likely benefit gained, Palmer is the guy who comes out on top of this analysis.
He is far from a perfect fit, as I touched on earlier the injury issues are still there, and behind an OL that is a work in progress it could be an issue. His contract numbers are very large, and it is not going to be a cheap investment if that investment is made and finally we are still not sure whether the Bengals are even going to entertain trade offers for Palmer. However he does have upside and has performed very well indoors even post injury, is the most proven of any QB on the market (Never had a full season with more INT's than TD's, never had a full season under 60% completions, Has thrown 20+ TD's in 5 of the last 6 seasons and 25+ in four of the last six seasons.) and it is as close to a guarantee you can get in the NFL that the play from the QB position will be drastically upgraded.
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100% for Palmer...
…except he isn’t going anywhere.
Dome stats for Palmer are fantastic.
Lot of talk from the Cardinals about “young” quarterbacks lately. It appears that their first choice would be for someone else but Palmer, if he becomes available, would be a great option. Not a guy they will build long term around though.
Palmer
still throws the best deep ball in the league, however after watching the video of the Top 100 on Fitz, Haley made a comment about getting Warner used to throwing the ball to Larry even if he isn’t open, any new QB we have is going to have to build trust with Larry, but it shouldn’t take very long for someone who has been around the league.
Not saying it will happen but...
Don’t forget our old crusty owner is friends with their crusty old owner (yes I know younger Bidwell is in charge!)…beanie for Palmer? Send the Ohio state guy back to Ohio? Just a thought…
by Punisher3190 on Jul 12, 2011 7:38 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
love that thought
Beanie would be a great compliment to Benson. With Dalton under center the Bengals are going to need a heavy run game, and even though Benson has proven he can carry the load it would make sense to put together a two-headed run game. I would even be open to Hightower and a draft pick. But looking forward, I would prefer draft picks for Palmer putting the Bengals in a good position to pick up Trent Richardson from Alabama. Just a thought.
Agreed, better than Kolb...
But for how much, and for how long? And is his head on straight? I’m not completely against him, but there are just too many questions for me. My guess is that he would take us to about a 9-7 record, like Orton probably would. I’m starting to believe there really are no good options at QB right now, and we should live or die with Skelton.
Noooo!
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Whiz has implied he isn't ready...
And I agree. Hopefully we can at least get Bulger or Hasselbeck to play here for 2 years at the very least while he develops or we get one of those top QBs in next years draft.
Give him the same deal they gave Warner.
Maybe not the same amount of money, but would like to see a 2 year deal, maybe $12 mil?
by AlaskanCard on Jul 13, 2011 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Better than Kolb
Is a terrible measuring stick.
The Cardinals are a good QB away from playoff contention and Palmer isn’t that guy.
If he can’t get it done with Ochocinco and TO, why would he be able to get it done with Fitz?
by CMDR on Jul 13, 2011 8:33 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Fitz is on a completely
different level. Keeping TO happy offensively damaged their rhythm on offense. Never mind getting out of the AFC North will help too.
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I agree that Fitz is on his own level
But my point was that Palmer has no excuse with regards to WR help. The Bengals have had a consistently solid WR corps for years.
not too mention a good o- line, defense and running game. Palmer has no excuses
It’s easy to see Carson isn’t what he used to be. When he was younger he was a rising star with the potential to be elite. These days he looks like a slightly better version of David Carr.
by CardsDefense on Jul 13, 2011 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions
to be fair
he’s better than Carr, I was referring to how he has seemed gun shy since some of the injuries he’s sustained. I actually wouldn’t mind him being here, however I definetily do not see him as “The Answer.” He could come in and COMPETE with Skelton and help Mentor him. I don’t see Palmer leading us deep into the playoffs unless he returns to his pre injury form which i find unlikely.
However I doubt the Bengals will change their stance on this issue.
by CardsDefense on Jul 13, 2011 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions
The OL is overated in Cinci. Whitworth is good, but the rest of that line is not great. Cedric Benson and his 3.5 YPC is hardly what I would call a good running game. The Benglas finished 2010 27th in YPG on the ground and 32nd in YPC. Good running game, more like one of the worst in the league. Their defense allowed 24.7 PPG among the 10 worst in the league.
Yet Palmer, still had more TD’s than INT’s and completed more than 60% of his passes. And indoors, again where the Cards are guaranteed 9 games a season, he completed more than 70% of his passes for a QBR of over 95.
No.
Palmer is a great QB, his numbers aren’t the greatest but the defenses he faced twice a year in Baltimore and Pitt can make any QB seem bad, and even the Browns have a defense you can’t slouch on Palmer would rip the NFC West a new one, and for a while he never had a reliable ground attack. I agreed with Jess on TO messing things up with team chemistry.
by Cardsfan928 on Jul 13, 2011 11:48 PM MDT up reply actions
2009 was a pretty reliable ground attack for them
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
It was,
before Benson arrived, I remember Rudi Johnson being serviceable.
yes please
I take Palmer any day of the week
by McCollum, Travis on Jul 13, 2011 11:05 AM MDT reply actions
Damn
As a Bengals, it would be amazing to see Palmer taking the snaps elsewhere, mainly in Arizona. He would fit very well. Considering TO and Chad part of a good WR corps recently isn’t fair. But the biggest difference would be Bob Bratkowski. Without him, Palmer and Cards together could, with some luck, post a 10-6 or 9-7 season, enough for a fierce battle for a post season spot. Later, drafting a promising QB to be mentored by CP or developing Skelton with CP seem to be very good options.
You don't think the Cardinals would love to have him too?
The only problem is, he isn’t available. If he was, we wouldn’t be the only team on our knees begging for him to sign with us.
Hold on..
As a follower of the AFC North Division, I think there are several mistakes in this article:
1. Carson Palmer never had Tommy John surgery, although he was advised to to so by several surgeons. he opted to let it “heal naturally” which most believe has led to a decrease in accuracy, and his ability to throw long,
2. Carson has NEVER been a leader. When Ocho was being a diva, and punching coaches in the locker room, Carson was mum..When TO cam on board last year, and was whining about not getting enough passes, Carson forced the ball to him resulting in an increase in his interceotions. Cincy fans have been begging Carson for years to become a stronger leader, but it culuminated in him refusing to play…
Sorry, misread the link I had read, anyway, the fact is he has a bad elbow injury, and it has hurt him.
I suppose most of that is subjective. He could have been a guy who teammates followed in the huddle, a guy who commanded respect on an off the field. No-one can control/lead Owens he is just a cancer, why anyone would want to sign such an individalistic minded player I don’t know. It could swing either way, I just don’t feel you take a team from where they were to 11-5 and a playoff berth from a divisional win in the AFC North without having some type of leadership skills.
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