(DAY 1 CONT.) Open Thread: Trades, Signings, Rumors, and Other News (See Comments And Reactions To Moves As They Happen)
by AlaskanCard on Jul 26, 2011 3:51 PM MDT
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Continuing on from our previous thread, post any news on trades, signings, rumors, or any other interesting tidbits you find here. Kolb and Orton are still available with fewer and fewer teams interested in them. The Cards could get a steal. Find out about it here first! Enjoy, let's make it interesting, and let's go Cardinals!
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https://twitter.com/#!/RossTuckerNFL/status/95972676140679168
Seattle pulling out of Kolb race & Orton/Hasselbeck still being available is crushing the Eagles leverage w/ the Cards. Who else wants him?
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Charles Johnson just agreed to a huge contract in Carolina.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
6 yrs 76M
WTF? 30M signing bonus. Looks like they were trying to get up to the cap quickly.
by billydacardsfan on Jul 26, 2011 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Kyle Orton sighting
@JasonColeYahoo Jason Cole
Strongest possibilities for Kyle orton look like Miami or Tenn. Hasselbeck also in play for both.
If the Cards want to keep the leverage they have they'd better get a deal done for Kolb before Orton comes off the board.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
+1 Cards need to get something done tonight
Either get Orton or Kolb now – if they wait too long we will end up without an NFL qb again
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jul 26, 2011 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions
HAHAHA!
@NYPost_Hubbuch Bart Hubbuch
A QB crew of Charlie Whitehurst, Tavaris Jackson and Matt Leinart. Wow. Get those playoff tickets now, Seahawks fans!
Or if the Redskins rumors from a few days back are true
Rex Grossman, John Beck, Matt Leinart.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Looks like McNabb is going to the Vikings
but I’m sure the media will find some way to connect him to AZ. Helps AZ Kolb cause.
@FootballPost NationalFootballPost
Redskins have deal in place to ship McNabb to Vikings: But Minnesota must get contract done first http://bit.ly/q96cHn #NFL
Here's hoping Philly gets stuck with Kolb...
JasonColeYahoo: Philly is still trying to leverage AZ on kolb. Thats a pricey game to play. [via Twitter]
by billydacardsfan on Jul 26, 2011 4:06 PM MDT reply actions
Greedy little buggers.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I hope we get one over on Philly if indeed we do trade for Kolb.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
agreed
but I don’t think they’ll take anything less than a starter (DRC) and that kinda sucks.
Sorry folks, park's closed. Moose out front shoulda told ya.
Those AXE "hair action" ads are stupid.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Moss agreed to stay with Skins for 3 years --- just heard on NFLN.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
Santana Moss staying in Wash.
@espn_nfceast ESPN Blogs NFC East
RT @AdamSchefter: Santana Moss agrees w Washington on a 3-yr deal for $15 million with $5 million signing bonus and $6 million guaranteed.
Rams signed Quentin Mikell
Eagles Safety whose name I probably butchered.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Yep, according to Adam Schefter
“Rams reach agreement with former Eagles S Quintin Mikell on a four-year deal.”
I honestly can say I saw this one coming.
by Tyler Nickel on Jul 26, 2011 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Here's some Rams news
Per GM Billy Devaney, the Rams have agreed to terms with 24 undrafted rookies. List won’t be released until they have actually signed.
Cardschatter Darren Urban
No news. I expect Hightower back. Feels 50/50 on Breaston. RT @epictell: @Cardschatter Any news on Breaston and/or Hightower?
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Sigh...
We keep posting the same things… lol
by Tyler Nickel on Jul 26, 2011 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions
We are all just racing to beat someone else at posting this stuff now.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
From Darren Urban via Twitter
“No news. I expect Hightower back. Feels 50/50 on Breaston. RT @epictell: @Cardschatter Any news on Breaston and/or Hightower?”
Roberts and Doucet
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I don't trust that option... we need better depth beyond Fitz.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
+1
Just saying that those guys are the option for now.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Anyone think we would sign or trade for a wr? That being contingent on Boobs leaving.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
I have been thinking about it...
If Derrick Mason doesn’t re-up with BAL, I think he could work well across from Fitz, place Roberts in the slot.
by Tyler Nickel on Jul 26, 2011 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Stopgap idea, but something to help for a year or two max
by Tyler Nickel on Jul 26, 2011 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Why is that?
Again, he’s not a cure-all. Just a vet signing that can look after the #2 spot until Roberts or Doucet steps up. That could take a few games into the season or a full season, either way.
by Tyler Nickel on Jul 26, 2011 7:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Are the Steelers cutting anyone?
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Don't forget
Stephen Williams, that kid should make some noise this year, with his size and speed.
I wouls like to see him stay based upon his personality
but I don’t think it would be a huge loss – plenty of guys can step in at 2nd or 3rd wr
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jul 26, 2011 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions
I disagree
While I like them all, Doucet is too fragile and Williams/Roberts have not proven anything. Breaston staying makes the team better. I hope he gets paid as a second and chooses to stay.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Deal needs to get done now or not at all on Kolb
Eagles will make a take it or leave if offer – Reid is ok with keeping him to back up Vick
if Card’s FO waits too long. Orton and Hasselback will be gone by noon tomorrow – don’t wanna end up trying to dance without a qb like last year.
I think cards can win the NFC west with Kolb, Orton, or Hasselback under center
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jul 26, 2011 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions
+1
I think that last sentence is absolutely true.
No more night. I have seen the light. Let it shine on bright.
HANG HIM HIGHER!!!
by Cuckoo for Coco Puffs on Jul 26, 2011 4:33 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
https://twitter.com/#!/theAdamGreen/status/95983267186089984
theAdamGreen Adam Green
Appears the Cardinals and Eagles are battling it out in a game of chicken. Who will blink first?
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Unfortunately if they want Kolb and not Orton --- get ready for the Cards to blink.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
Looks like Kent Somers is feel good about our QB situation
@kentsomers Kent Somers
Cardinals search for a QB at 3:30 looks a little better than it did at noon. http://bit.ly/nl7t9l
http://www.tweetdeck.com/twitter/mortreport/~bwpG9
Chris Mortensen
Matt Leinart could round out depth chart and reunite with Pete Carroll; gauging Redskins – Texans offense he learned similar concepts for both teams
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Marshal Yanda agreed to deal with Ravens.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
According to ESPN.com, Leinart already agreed too
The Seattle Seahawks agreed to deals with Tarvaris Jackson and Matt Leinart following the news that free-agent quarterback Matt Hasselbeck will not return to Seattle this season, multiple sources told ESPN.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
You and me both but I'm willing to wait if we are going to get a better deal.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
Yeah
Just give Philly an offer, if they don’t take it, give Denver what they want for Neckbeard.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Colts got Nate Davis from the 49ers
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Former QB who supposedly had some kind of learning disability
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
FA I think
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Trust me I get where you're coming from -- both of you.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
Vikings strike
@NickSpano Nick Spano
Per Schefter- Vikings reach agreement with former Bears WR Devin Aromashodu on a one-year contract.
Dilfer thinks we should go after Orton
Thinks that it will be easier for him to adjust to a new system, and that he is a good leader.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
That sells me
Avoid Orton. Dilfer bothers me.
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Damien Woody retired
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
NFLN -- Philly being patient letting the market for Kolb develop. Not a good sign.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
Time to call Denver
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I assumed so
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
BRING ON ORTON!
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Ultimately who do you all think the Cards get at QB?
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
My guess is Orton -- I don't think the Cards go all in on Kolb.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
Doubtful
They’ll still go hard to re-sign Rice. Aromashadu is nowhere near that level. If you might recall, the Vikings got very thin last year at the WR position due to injuries and what not.
by Tyler Nickel on Jul 26, 2011 6:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Plax back to the giants?
@NickSpano Nick Spano
HEARD: The #GIANTS are VERY interested in bringing Plaxico Burress back. No smoke-screen here.
I can't believe nothing has happened with Kolb, Orton and Hasselbeck.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
Something will happen soon
It has to
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Anyone else worried that we haven't heard the Cardinals name attached to any other free agents?
I know it’s still early, but we got a lot of spots to fill. This QB thing could screw us in more ways than one.
Was just thinking same… news on all these other teams, but all this talk about Cardinals being very “aggressive” and having a plan in place… now the first day and literally no news.
Tom Coniam
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But also a lover of the Steel Curtain.
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I swear, I ask something and it's answered
@Cardschatter Darren Urban
Absolutely not. All simultaneous work. RT @John_Venerable: @Cardschatter Cards putting FA signings aside until QB situation is solved?
I knew not the case, just the feeling we get
Tom Coniam
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But also a lover of the Steel Curtain.
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I'm beginning to think
they are going to take a pass on a QB and spend it elsewhere.
Duece sighting
@kentsomers Kent Somers
Deuce Lutui’s agent, Ken Harris, said the Cardinals have been in touch today, as have a few other teams. declined to comment further.
Nnamdi
@SheilKapadia Sheil Kapadia
RT @JennyVrentas: Jets contact free-agent cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha: http://tinyurl.com/44cukn8
Revis isn't enough for them?
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Alex Smith and 49ers
@BonnieBernstein Bonnie Bernstein
per @adamschefter: Alex Smith re-ups w #49ers. After career of OC changes & injuries, can he finally hv consistent, healthy season?
No he can not.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I'd have to imagine Miami would be interested in Orton.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
And TN
I don’t get SF. It’s like going to the go cart track and picking the same busted go cart over and over and over
I'm starting to think nothing is going happen on Cards front today.. beyond UFDA's.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
Heap talk continues
@kentsomers Kent Somers
Cardinals might have some interest in TE Todd Heap. $ obviously a question. Don’t think it’s a page 1 priority right now.
I'll give him $100 out of my own wallet if he comes
this has been my favorite rumor all day
misread
it was a response to someone else. sorry… http://twitter.com/#!/cardschatter
Well folks, looks like stuff is really slowing down, so I'm going to bow out for a bit.
Been on here for 11 hours, ha
NEWS
Via Adam Schefter:
“Cardinals reached agreement with former Panthers TE Jeff King, filling a need that Arizona had for a blocking TE.”
Exactly
Could be King, Housler, Dray as the TE depth chart
by Tyler Nickel on Jul 26, 2011 7:36 PM MDT up reply actions
No
But I foresee him returning to battle it out in camp. Just my opinion.
by Tyler Nickel on Jul 26, 2011 7:50 PM MDT up reply actions
You would think
That the Cards FO would have learned by now that you find a guy to help in all aspects of the game, not just a blocking *&^%$# TE. That’s like bringing Beanie into the game, we all knew that was a running play cause Wells sucked at picking up the blitz. Miller/Heap/Boss, all of them can catch and block.
Someone do me a favor and send me an e-mail when the Cards get serious.
Just a guy, because I was born that way.
Follow my tweeting @de_veau
All of those TEs
Are much more expensive though. I would think that Whisenhunt, being a former TE himself, knows what he wants in a TE.
Besides, he probably wants you to think that. If he brings in a blocking TE like King, you’d imagine they’re running right? The defense lines up for a run play and BAM you hit em with a play action play.
by Tyler Nickel on Jul 26, 2011 7:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Sure they cost $
That’s part of being aggressive. And if they are just bringing him into the game as a smoke screen to fool a D, then Dray works just as well. For my aggressive $, which I wasn’t going to spend on a TE to begin with as the OL and QB spot needs as much aggressive $ as can be had, I would have preferred someone who isn’t a one trick pony.
Just a guy, because I was born that way.
Follow my tweeting @de_veau
Just wrote an article about it
I think King is a solid pickup. From what I’ve read is that he has nice hands but isn’t utilized as a pass catcher but more as a blocker – and not just in the run game.
by Jesse Reynolds on Jul 26, 2011 7:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Finally, some news.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Via Albert Breer
RT @sdutChargers Chargers agree to terms with Takeo Spikes.
Now that’s interesting. Larry English is hanging on by a limb.
Paul "Poz" Posluszny news
Via Jason La Canfora
“LB Paul Posluszny agrees to 6 year deal with the Jags. Bills fought hard to keep him. Hard for him to leave, but chance to play in a 4-3…”
That's an interesting move -- nice pickup for the Jags.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
I love this sentence from La Canfora
“LB Takeo Spike agrees to terms with the Chargers. San Fran D likely to lose Aubrayo Franklin and Nate Clements as well.”
Seahawks and 49ers are digging themselves into deeper holes by the hour.
Some to be expected
Spike is aged and they have a replacement.
Nate Clements was showing his age.
Franklin is probably the biggest lost. A loss that will help us greatly.
by Jesse Reynolds on Jul 26, 2011 8:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Good then the '9er's fans can get a taste of what we endured last year with all the loss.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
you guys
see this from Sando?
Tavaris Jackson has a higher QB rating than Kolb. Yeah, that’s pretty good.
Jackson gets a worse rap than he deserves.
He got positively screwed in Minnesota when they brought in Favre. Seattle’s QB round about will be an interesting thing to watch fall out.
if you have
two QB’s (or three), then you have no QB’s?
As it stands (for the moment)
their QB situation is still better than ours. I would not be surprised to see Jackson walk away with the starting role. Suspected they would let Hasselbeck go. It’s in their best interest.
MORE CARDINALS NEWS
Via Jay Feely
“You ask I deliver, just got the text he resigned with the Cardinals! RT @AaronBadds @jayfeely gotta sign @bengraham7 ! #BestpunterinNFL”
Now we need a QB that can get 1st downs and sustain drives so we don't have to punt from our own 17 yard line 30x a game.
I like Graham a lot he just needs some help — kinda like our D last year having to play all game.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
From Rotoworld
NFL Network’s Jason La Canfora suggested on Total Access Tuesday night that Kevin Kolb may end up back with the Eagles because his market has softened over the pasts 48 hours.
The Eagles lost an enormous amount of leverage when Seattle decided to settle on Tarvaris Jackson as its likely new starter. Arizona’s trade proposal may have since dropped. Per La Canfora, it isn’t out of the question that Kolb will now return as “insurance” for Michael Vick as the Eagles prepare to make a Super Bowl run. The Cardinals would likely then target Kyle Orton.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
We screwed
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
We could ship off an excess running back to Denver to sweeten the pot.
Reportedly they are wanting to add one through free agency.
I just wish they'd trade for Orton already so we can move on!!!
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
by az78true on Jul 26, 2011 8:38 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
It makes little to no sense give up DRC and a pick for Kolb when we could get Orton for just a pick and a lower one at that.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
This might be why we're not hearing much about the Cards
@kentsomers Kent Somers
Cardinals aren’t announcing rookie FAs until tomorrow. RT @caplannfl: UDFA CB Da’mon Merkerson agrees to 3yr deal with Cardinals.
I want to go to bed knowing the Cards have Kolb aboard for a 2nd or Orton for a 3rd possibly a 2nd. That would truly make me sleep a whole lot better.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
The 49ers and Raiders are negotiating with DB Dashon Goldson, who was in San Francisco last season.
Go Al get him away from ’9er’s.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
Anyone hear anything about this?
@FO_ASchatz Aaron Schatz
This is craziness. We’re now getting to the point of contradictory tweets. Example: I’ve seen Jeff King to KC and Jeff King to ARI.
No this it what makes all these agreed to in principle deals a little crappy for the fans until Friday official signings.
God I hate misinformation and at best bad reporting. Which one is it media?
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
Well this makes it look good for us
@kentsomers Kent Somers
Jeff King will sign a three-year deal with the Cardinals, according to Gaston Gazette. http://bit.ly/nHusYd
An OL we were interested in
Ian1033 Ian Fitzsimmons
"JasonColeYahoo: Tampa, Dallas in a dogfight for doug free. Could get REALLY expensive."> not good for Dallas. Bucs HAVE to spend money.
Should have gone after McNabb, CHEAP!
@NickSpano Nick Spano
#Vikings agree to trade 6th rounder in 2012 and possibly 6th in 2013 to #Redskins for Donovan McNabb per Glazer!
49ers info
@MaioccoCSN Matt Maiocco
49ers are focusing on re-signing DE Ray McDonald and are prepared to lose NT Aubrayo Franklin and OLB Manny Lawson.
KOLB UPDATE
@timring3TV Tim Ring
SOURCE: Eagles tring to squeeze Cards for a 1st round pick plus DRC. Cardinals currently offering DRC and 2nd. Man, that’s a rough call.
Either deal is stupid, but if the Eagles think they are getting 2 1st round pick value for Kolb they are bigger idiots than I thought.
Eagles are actually really smart
Cardinals are the dumb ones if they give in. Philly is waiting for all of these QBs to fall off the board and AZ to feel the pressure
by Tyler Nickel on Jul 26, 2011 9:21 PM MDT up reply actions
But in the same process they are killing off all their other options. you have demand right now from one team for Kolb, and the supply of QB’s for the Cards is still open with Hass, Kolb and Orton still around.
Supply and Demand would dictate the price of the commodity (QB) would drop because of the low demand.
True
But there’s only so much valuable supply
by Tyler Nickel on Jul 26, 2011 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions
I hope cards say no to that deal
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jul 26, 2011 9:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Look I am not a Kolb “Beleiver” as evidence by the “Kolb Ugly Truth” post. But I still think the Cards should offer and sit at 2 2nds, and then wait for the Eagles to accept, or after 2-3 days move to Orton, while always keeping in contact with Denver
And the Eagles don't mind holding onto him.
They’re trying to get what they want, and if they can’t, oh well
meetings film etc all occur now
once orton and hasselback are gone kolbs price goes up – can’t wait 2 days
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jul 26, 2011 9:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Kolb Price is not going anywhere, right now it is clear there is only one team in the market for the product.
Try selling a can of Coke for $3 when you have only one possible buyer and cans of Pepsi avaiable for $2, and some Budget Brand Cola for $1.
by khodder on Jul 26, 2011 9:27 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Philly does not need to sell
Coke has to sell products
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jul 26, 2011 9:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Then don’t sell, Cards move elsewhere.
We are truly going to see if the Eagles want to keep Kolb around for another year after they have made it clear all offseason he was going elsewhere.
BTW My point was this, you are never going to sell a slightly “superior Product” for a larger price, if there is only one customer and there are some “inferior” products available for a lessor price. Either the “Superior Product” drops in price to match the lower price, or the consumer moves on.
I remember you now
You are the guy who thinks the bengals will trade Palmer at some point in time as well.
The NFL just doesn’t work that way – you are leaving out the ego factor – Reid has a price he will let Kolb go for which is too high – Cards need to move on now.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jul 26, 2011 9:37 PM MDT up reply actions
At this point I hang up the phone and go get Orton right now
the Eagles have been giving us this BS, so its time to move on, ans laugh when the Eagles lose Kolb for nothing next year
We need to do it soon.
I feel like the Broncos are seeing what’s going on and are going to up their price on Orton. We’d be lucky to get him for a 2nd
Screw that
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Eagles Front Office have not got a clue about supply and demand. You hold out and lose all the demand for your product, the price is going to drop. SF, Seattle, Minny. All three went elsewhere becasue all three knew the price was far to high.
Cards sitting around waiting for price to drop to acceptable level and are willing to move on if it does not.
Looks like it's the Cards
@RavensInsider Aaron Wilson
It’s the Arizona Cardinals for TE Jeff King, yes. $2 million deal.
Makes sense
Back with Chan Gailey who worked with him during his time with the Chiefs.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Got some writers on our side
@ChrisWesseling Chris Wesseling
#Eagles want a 1st-round pick AND Rodgers-Cromartie? That’s absurd. #Cardinals need to pull the trigger on Orton immediately if not sooner.
Good things take time.
And this deal is going to take time, and for whatever QB comes it, it is not going to be some miracle fix that turns a team with an inept offense and the 30ths ranked defense into a 10-6 division winner overnight,
I disagree
Losing a QB took our offense from juggernaut to punchless overnight, I don’t see why adding another good QB wouldn’t reverse this overnight. =P
Faith Focus Finish
Personally I would prefer to offer a straight 2nd over a 3rd and 5th becasue I beleive the value that is there in a late round draft pick can really put teams over the top in terms of good to great.
Absolutely just pull the trigger Cards.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
It could be on the table for all we know, but Denver are just canvassing offers. I guarantee you think “delay” in signing a QB has nothing to do with lack of trying by the Cardinals.
I get that but it's time to get it done! Sweeten the deal a bit and get it finished.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
I'm cool with it
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Damn striaght!
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Kent Somers on our side
Kent Somers
@kentsomers Kent Somers
Said all along, if Cards send DRC and a 2 to Eagles, sign Kolb to a new deal, that’s a high price to pay. don’t think they’ll trade a 1.
The FO must believe Kolb is the shit because if not why are they even entertaining this crap from Philly when they're almost as high on Orton?
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
Honestly most concerned about now, we have heard NOTHING on Sendlein, Lutui, Campbell or Fitzgerald signing new deals.
I'm betting that they are talking about it
But keeping everything quiet right now.
A lot going on with every team right now.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Sendlein and Lutui's agents have been contacted by the Cards
We won’t hear anything on Fitz and Campbell until after all the FA signing frenzy dies down. Not a top priority for the next week or so. Then it becomes a must.
by billydacardsfan on Jul 27, 2011 6:49 AM MDT up reply actions
The opinion from the Rotoworld people
According to Tim Ring of 3TV News in Phoenix, the Eagles are trying to “squeeze” the Cardinals for a first-round pick and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie in exchange for Kevin Kolb.
It’s an absurd return for an unproven QB with several question marks. We find it borderline unfathomable for Arizona to meet that asking price when they could get Kyle Orton for a fraction of that cost. The Cardinals need to call Philadelphia’s bluff, as the latter no longer has any leverage.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Pretty much what I was saying above re: Supply and Demand.
Philly has no other suitors for Kolb, they have two options, Lower the price and trade him to AZ or keep him for this year and then Tag him.
They're doing the whole you sleep while I drive thing.
Hopefully they don’t pull a dumb and dumber and end up in Las Vegas instead of Aspen
They won't be sleeping in the next 3 days
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jul 26, 2011 9:55 PM MDT up reply actions
They will sleep, it will be for and hour here and hour there, but one of Rod or Ken will alwyas be awake and if something concrete comes up both will be involved.
Making these kinds of decisions sleep will be imperative.
If Graves and Whiz agree to this deal they are risking thier futures on Kolb
Can’t beleive they will go this far.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jul 26, 2011 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Somers seems to think Eagles will cave, but DRC and 2nd is still a bad deal
@kentsomers Kent Somers
My guess, Eagles give in and deal is done soonRT @ChrisCrane27: @kentsomers Do the Cardinals give in or do the Eagles let up?
IF the Cards fold
I will be very disappointed. It would be like being on the wrong end of Madden trade.
by Jesse Reynolds on Jul 26, 2011 9:51 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
If they trade for Kolb period they are doing that. Whis specifically.
If he trades for Kolb and Kolb fails the perception of the ability of Whis to judge the talent of a QB falls off the map.
I am not as high on DRC as most
so I think I would cut Graves and whiz some slack if it was a straight up trade – but not with DRC plus a 2nd – Kolb would have to be a franchise qb for me to say this was a good deal.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jul 26, 2011 10:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Absurd is the perfect word for this possible transaction.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
Jeff King excited to play for Cards
@cmorgancbsfoxaz Craig Morgan
Blocking TE #JeffKing on playing for the #Cards: “Arizona is a good fit for me. I think just schematically I fit in well to what they do.”
More on King
@caplannfl Adam Caplan
On Jeff King with ARI, underrated signing. Guy can catch, not just block. Better than peeps think. Good1-2 punch with Housler.
I feel like something is going to happen and soon
Either the Eagles cave or we wisely opt out and talk to Denver
I'm hoping for the latter of the two. I hope it gets done tonight that would be sweet.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
The more I think about it
I find it a little hard to beleive Cards offered DRC and a 2nd for Kolb
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jul 26, 2011 9:50 PM MDT reply actions
Nnamdi not going to the Jets?
@PatrickMoranBSD Patrick Moran
I’m hearing from a source I trust that the Jets are trying to sign Bills cornerback Drayton Florence
If I was in the position of Rod Graves. I am sitting in my Chair making sure I have a great view of Mike Miller and John Skelton working hard in the film room while in one hand talking the the Broncos about Orton and in the other trying to convice the Bengals that parting with Palmer for a 2nd round pick is far better than letting him retire, especailly as the only place the Cards will ever see the Bengals is in the Superbowl and once every four years.
by khodder on Jul 26, 2011 9:52 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Honestly what is the harm in getting in contact with the Bengals and saying you sure you want to let Carson just walk away??
I wonder
if they would give us Palmer for a 1st.
by Patrick_Peterson on Jul 26, 2011 9:59 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree, Palmer would be the best fit
by Jesse Reynolds on Jul 26, 2011 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions
That's true, but giving up a 1st for a guy in his 30s
I mean maybe if we were assured he’d look somewhat like Warner…
by AlaskanCard on Jul 26, 2011 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Whoa now,
Palmer does not have any upside, but he could return to Elite form, he still throws the nicest deep pass in the league.
by Cardsfan928 on Jul 26, 2011 10:05 PM MDT up reply actions
PATRICK PETERSON?!?!
Is it really you?!?!?
by AlaskanCard on Jul 26, 2011 10:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Update from the message boards on the team site
http://forums.azcardinals.com/showpost.php?p=799571&postcount=18
It was a Sal Palentonio report at like 445 today on phillys sports radio 97.5 the fanatic. Sal said the following:
I spoke with coach Ken Whizenhunt who said the Cardinals would not overpay for Kevin Kolb, he made it clear the Cardinals would not give up a 1st or its equivalent for Kolb. Roger Cromartie being a first round pick only a few years ago would be considered a 1st round equivalent.
He went on to report our interest in Orton, it was on the mike missanelli show, ill look to see if i can find it.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
That is wonderful,
all this crazy trade talk had me wondering if people had gone insane
by Cardsfan928 on Jul 26, 2011 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
That sounds more like the guy I want in charge of the cards!!!!!
But if its true why are cards not pulling the trigger on Orton?
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jul 26, 2011 10:08 PM MDT up reply actions
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Dallas reached agreement on a four-year, $32 million deal that included $17 million in guaranteed money with OT Doug Free.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Tuesday Morning so they can concentrate on the O Line or maybe a OLB.
by Patrick_Peterson on Jul 26, 2011 10:08 PM MDT up reply actions
I know it's been a long day but I don't it will happen twice. lol.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
All the good QB's will be gone by then
Remember, in the next few days, all the teams will have grabbed up everyone worth signing and more.
I'd take the bet but I'm broke right now --- so I'll just say I think it happens Wed.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
How so?
Unless you mean we’re sticking with John Skelton or Richard Bartel as our Starting QB, which isn’t happening.
I think we might be
sticking with Skelton, The Howling Beantower + Williams will just need to get a big chunk of the pie, 500+ carries
by Cardsfan928 on Jul 26, 2011 10:09 PM MDT up reply actions
I would be fine with Hasselbeck
he already knows our division opponents, first step back to the post season will be winning the division.
by Cardsfan928 on Jul 26, 2011 10:10 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm going to get the Bird Droppings thing typed up tonight again and have it scheduled to post around 5 or 6 in the morning
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I'm doing it this way partially because I have class tomorrow for most of the day
And it is a little bit easier to get it up like that.
I have a ton of stuff saved up in the clipper for it though.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
UDFA from West Virgina
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Philly's defense
Is going to be electric with Vick at the helm, that kid has some serious speed.
by Cardsfan928 on Jul 26, 2011 10:13 PM MDT up reply actions
So basically, most of you think Kevin Kolb is coming here tonight or tomorrow?
Dang, I’ll be on a plane when it happens then.
I actually don't think Kolb ends up in AZ anymore.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jul 26, 2011 10:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Same here -- at least I hope if the price of DRC and a 1st or 2nd is right.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
I'm thinking Orton
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Have a feeling Cards are tired of dealing with Philly
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Another OL off the board
@RavensInsider Aaron Wilson
Houston Texans retain offensive tackle Rashad Butler with a two-year, $3.8 million deal: http://bit.ly/nqMKOh
No Kolb
not for that price, Whiz won’t give up a 1st rounder or it’s equivelant, so Kolb is staying in Philly
Do you guys think
We’ll sign more than one QB? Hall and Anderson will most likely be gone before Preseason maybe so we only have Bartel and Skelton at the moment. Some teams are heading into practice with 5 QBs
by Patrick_Peterson on Jul 26, 2011 10:14 PM MDT reply actions
I forget their names but
The quarterback for Arizona’s Arena football league is pretty good. And, I know most people here are ASU fans, but UofA’s quarterback is pretty good too. Now idk, if we could get them…..
Nick Davila
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I feel like I saw his name today, not sure if he went anywhere...
by AlaskanCard on Jul 26, 2011 10:22 PM MDT up reply actions
I saw where Buffalo - I believe - signed some QB from the AFL.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
I think that was the Rattlers back-up QB
But I just read it in passing, so i’m not 100% sure.
Faith Focus Finish
Someone think the Cards might have to deal with Luck next year
@ShawnZobel_DHQ Shawn Zobel
The top two teams taking QB’s in my 2012 mock draft before today: SF and WASH. That stays with Seattle entering the mix after today
I have actually wondered what would happen if Luck changed his mind and came out
After the draft but before a new union is certified there is a bit of a legal black hole – he could have filed his own antitrust suit alleging he should be able to sign a contract with the highest bidder, the whole draft violated anti-trust law etc. and almost surely would have won. As a UDFA the cap would not have applied to him in any event. Not happening, but interesting to think about.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jul 26, 2011 10:23 PM MDT up reply actions
All the more reason
to get the holes filled everywhere else on the team.
take the pressure off of Peterson, throwing to Harvin and Shiancoe and maybe Rice?
Sounds good to me
by AlaskanCard on Jul 26, 2011 10:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Add in Kyle Rudolph
Could be a big factor for their offense.
by Tyler Nickel on Jul 26, 2011 10:33 PM MDT up reply actions
No!
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
I'm not
If we were talking a Phillip Rivers or Ben Roethlisberger sure DRC and a 1st, but for a guy who hasn’t seen as much action as Matty Boi did, forget it.
Via Josina Anderson
“Breaking: Sources: #Redskins and Barry Cofield agree to terms, pending though an official signing on Friday.”
Great signing, help fill the gap that Haynesworth will leave behind when he’s cut. Cofield is a great player.
Now where is Franklin headed is will he stay with the Noners.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
3-4 NT
I’m trying to think of who needs a NT that runs a 3-4… Anyone? As soon as you say it I’ll probably kick myself in the rear.
by Tyler Nickel on Jul 26, 2011 10:32 PM MDT up reply actions
San Diego
is where Franklin probably ends up.
by Cardsfan928 on Jul 26, 2011 10:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Bingo
SD would be a great fit, follow his buddy Spikes down there… Antonio Garay has played well, but he’s aging and I am not sure he can keep it up.
by Tyler Nickel on Jul 26, 2011 10:37 PM MDT up reply actions
On Kolb trade
timring3TV Tim Ring
Once again, I’m told Howie Roseman and Joe Banner are trying to “win the deal” rather than make a fair deal, shake hands and say good luck.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
This is getting old -- Cards should say here's a 2nd or possibly 2 2's and say take it or leave it.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
Maybe if we say it enough times it will happen :)
by AlaskanCard on Jul 26, 2011 10:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Sorry just want this over... don't mean to sound like a broken record.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
Oh I feel ya man. I've been saying the same thing to my wife over and over
by AlaskanCard on Jul 26, 2011 10:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Roseman is like 33 right? He's being awfully bullish with his ego of winning the trade.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
Maybe he is high
on himself from watching to much mainstream sports news?
by Cardsfan928 on Jul 26, 2011 10:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed,
no on Kolb, I’ll take my chances without him, it’s not like we’re going to finish 14-2 with him.
Bet that all of the Philly fans are getting pissed off right now
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Yeah but I am still worried Cards end up trying to dance without a date
Last year was brutal to watch our qb play.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Jul 26, 2011 10:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Good,
Free Agent QB’s never take a team to the next step, they give them a boost, but fizzle out.
Scratch that,
Kolb is not a free agent, my bad.
Anyone think
Franklin leaving is going to hurt Willis’ performance quite a bit? Not that he won’t still be a tackling machine
Interesting tidbit
Mike Jurecki
I think so, they have enough money. RT @AZCARDFAN: On that note last question tonight do you see he cards getting at lest 1 big name besides a qb
Again, I won't be around much tomorrow because of class in the morning and at night.
Will be around for a couple of hours in the afternoon.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
From Sando
The Arizona Cardinals appear in strong position as they consider options at quarterback. The way they sat back and projected patience Tuesday is looking like a smart approach. I can’t think of another team likely to trade for Philadelphia’s Kevin Kolb. The Cardinals should be in no rush. Teams cannot sign players or visit with free agents from other teams until Friday. Kolb could not practice with them until Aug. 4 if Arizona acquired him and signed him to a new contract. Even if Kolb is the Cardinals’ top choice, the team might be wise to play up interest in other candidates. Why not seek permission to meet with Kyle Orton? Why not bring in Matt Hasselbeck? There’s no reason for Arizona to overpay for Kolb unless another team emerges as a serious suitor.
I have a feeling
We’re going to get Orton, Considering Arizona wanted Bulger last season and Orton is better than Bulger it just makes sense. Sure Kolb has upside but so does Skelton! Win games now with Orton and continue grooming Skelton for later, this was the plan last year except it was suppose to be Bulger.
by Patrick_Peterson on Jul 26, 2011 11:01 PM MDT reply actions
Although...
I wouldn’t mind Kolb for the right price, but it’s nice to have options to avoid deals like DRC and a first.
by Patrick_Peterson on Jul 26, 2011 11:08 PM MDT up reply actions
I wonder if AZ was trying to hype of the Kolb deal too
To lower the price on Orton…
by Jesse Reynolds on Jul 26, 2011 11:34 PM MDT up reply actions
He got ripped off...
Eight bucks? That’s barely more than minimum wage per hour…
by Tyler Nickel on Jul 26, 2011 11:04 PM MDT up reply actions
i was about to say! what a bargain!
by Patrick_Peterson on Jul 26, 2011 11:05 PM MDT up reply actions
More jersey news
@mikejurecki Mike Jurecki
Word is he wants 21 RT @azsportsartist: what number is Peterson wearing this season?
Any chance
of me going to sleep, and waking up to some quarterback news tomorrow morning? Or at least sometime tomorrow?
I got the graveyard watch!
Well, not really. I’m 8 hours from Az time, so I can keep tabs if anything happens in the wee hours (doubtful!)
"The true test of a person's intellligence is how much they agree with you."
err ... 10 hours ahead.
Whatever.
"The true test of a person's intellligence is how much they agree with you."
I'm still here after 14 hours .. barely.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
Not sure if this was posted yet but it sounds good...
The Arizona Cardinals appear in strong position as they consider options at quarterback. The way they sat back and projected patience Tuesday is looking like a smart approach. I can’t think of another team likely to trade for Philadelphia’s Kevin Kolb. The Cardinals should be in no rush. Teams cannot sign players or visit with free agents from other teams until Friday. Kolb could not practice with them until Aug. 4 if Arizona acquired him and signed him to a new contract. Even if Kolb is the Cardinals’ top choice, the team might be wise to play up interest in other candidates. Why not seek permission to meet with Kyle Orton? Why not bring in Matt Hasselbeck? There’s no reason for Arizona to overpay for Kolb unless another team emerges as a serious suitor.
Anybody know anything about this?
@Campbell93 Calais Campbell: And #cardsnation #birdgang please welcome one of your newest members: my lil Bro @JaredQuay.
Sounds like we might have signed Calais’ brother Jared, a Safety (mainly a special teamer) out of University of Miami. From what I’ve found, coming out of high school he was actually expected to be the most talented of all the Campbell brothers. Couldn’t hurt to keep him on the practice squad and/or depth for special teams coverage, if for no other reason than to make Calais happy so that he’ll be reasonable when it comes to new contract demands?
Faith Focus Finish
Undrafted Free Agents
Anyone recognize these guys?
This is a list of UDFA signed by the Cards.
Davieun Curry-Chapman (WR, Northern Arizona)
DJ Young (OL, Michigan State)
Kristofer O’Dowd (OL, USC)
Andrew Rich (S, BYU)
Sean Jeffcoat (WR, Elon)
Jake Vermiglio (OT, NC State)
Eric Mensik (OT, Oklahoma)
Ricky Lumpkin (DT, Kentucky)
Duke Lemmens (DE, Florida)
Jason Speredon (OG, BYU)
"The true test of a person's intellligence is how much they agree with you."
Link
In case anyone is curious, here’s the link where I found that list.
http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2011-nfl-undrafted-free-agents
"The true test of a person's intellligence is how much they agree with you."
According to CC93
you can add his little brother Jared Campbell (S, the U) to that list.. ^^^^^
Faith Focus Finish
Scratch Hasselbeck off the QB list
According to Schefter, Titans have agreed to sign Hasselbeck to a 3-year deal. Our options are dwindling, down to Orton, Kolb, or even Vince Young. But I don’t believe VY is a starter.
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