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When Were You Most Upset At The Arizona Cardinals?

On a holiday without a ton of news as of Sunday night (yes, I typically get my writing done late the night before and have the scheduled to post throughout the day), I though I would steal an idea I got from an SB Nation Arizona colleague, who also wrote something like this for BSOTS. 

The idea is to share (either in comments or as a separate FanPost if it is more than a couple of paragraphs in length -- so if you get going and you realize that it's long, before posting it, copy and paste it into a FanPost and give a brief link and comment in the tread) when you were most upset at the Arizona Cardinals -- meaning what the team, a front office member, a coach, a player or an employee did and not what happened to the team.

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Here is what Scott Howard write as guidelines for the Suns post on the same topic:

There's a few conditions here:

It had to be something the franchise (meaning the players, coaches, front office, ticket folks, president, usher, parking lot attendant, Go-Rilla) did. So that means you can't just say "Well the time Stoudemire/Diaw got suspended for leaving the bench." You can say you were mad at Amar'e Stoudemire and Boris Diaw for leaving the bench or Phil Weber for not breaking their legs to prevent them from moving - but being mad at the NBA for suspending them doesn't count.

It also has to be one thing. You can't just say "all the moves Robert Sarver has made" - it's got to be one specifically that pissed you off. Like effectively letting Joe Johnson walk (yes I know they traded him).

Please don't adjust for your age. If you were a child and super pissed that the team traded Dennis Johnson for Rick Robey to the point where you wouldn't come out of your room for a week that's cool and that counts. Maybe as an adult you was pretty upset about Amar'e leaving but you probably still got up in the morning for your dead end job and kissed your horrible spouse before driving off for work in your economy vehicle that gets good gas mileage.

You should get the idea, but this time it is about the Arizona Cardinals. 

In my case, I am not an overly angry fan. I don't typically get upset at what my teams do. And I if I think back to my teenage years when I started following the Cards, I was only a radio fan. I listened to games on the radio at home because my family did not watch TV on Sundays. 

However, I can think of two instances -- once in my youth and one not so very long ago. 

The first time I was truly upset was when Simeon Rice called the Cardinals the "armpit of the NFL." At the time, I interpreted it as that he was insulting Arizona and not the organization. I love Arizona. I am born and raised here. It would take a lot to get me to leave here. It hurt me as a native for one of the team's best players to say something like that. And it hurt me that he wanted to leave. 

The second time was this past year. It was the handling of Matt Leinart. It is water under the bridge now because we can't change what happened and he did not go and lead a team to the playoffs, but I am still mad at how Whiz handled everything. 

There are plenty of people who think he never would have done much. They might have been right. But I never, ever saw where Derek Anderson was clearly better than Leinart. I told my buddies for months before the event that the Cardinals would be fine. Leinart would be good, perhaps very good in time and the Cards would return to the playoffs. 

The fact that he wasn't around to show that Whisenhunt made the right choice at the start of the season still makes me shake my head. The fact that everything was and still is so cryptic with Whiz and Leinart is frustrating. Whiz never came out and explained his rationale for starting DA and cutting Matty. That would perhaps clear things up. If he said -- "He never showed me in his years here that he was going to be capable of leading this team. He didn't respond to competition the way I want my quarterback to respond. The team seems to respond better to Derek than to Matt. Plus, his outburst in public was not good for the team or what I want in the locker room." -- I would have understood at least what he thought. I probably would have disagreed, but I would have understood.

For now, it really just looks like Whisenhunt just really didn't like him and had no faith in him. 

After all, I have described Derek Anderson in this way in the past:

He was cut by the CLEVELAND BROWNS, a disaster of a team. Anderson could not beat out Brady Quinn in Cleveland, who cannot beat out Tim Tebow, who many believe will never be a good NFL QB. 

And this is the guy that Leinart was cut in favor if. I do agree that, in the end, the reason for his release was the public outburst. Had he not done that, he would have been on the team and would have started at some point. Plus, we would have been saved the Max Hall experience. Maybe Skelton would have played, as he came in after DA and Hall were both hurt, but probably not. The year would have gone differently, I am sure of it.

It makes me upset still to think about it. 

Those are the two times I was most upset at the Cardinals. It is now your turn. Be specific!

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I was most upset when..

Ken Whisenhunt decided that Derek Anderson would be “the guy.”

by Tyler Nickel on Jul 4, 2011 2:04 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

I was upset when they signed Derek Anderson as I knew he sucked in every way and he had no right to be on the team.

by McCollum, Travis on Jul 4, 2011 2:11 PM MDT reply actions  

I was upset

When we traded Neil Rackers, and even though he pulled a 180 from the guy I cheered for he was one of my favorite Cardinals, his onside kicks are already missed.

by Cardsfan928 on Jul 4, 2011 2:19 PM MDT reply actions  

For me

It was how they handled Anquan Boldin. I think they butchered his situation. Told him they would give him a new contract publicly, then never followed thru on it… Poor Mgmt, IMO.

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by Strohman on Jul 4, 2011 2:48 PM MDT reply actions  

they offered him an extension before Fitz

signed his big deal. He declined it. (even though) he still had 2 years left on his deal. He should have realized that they couldn’t break the bank for 2 WR’s. Once Fitz signed, he had to accept #2 pay and status.

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by Cuckoo for Coco Puffs on Jul 5, 2011 8:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

he didn't he was out at the 1 but i get your point.

"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender

by az78true on Jul 4, 2011 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Blame that on Antrelle Rolle

0:26

^^Fitz would have gotten to Harrison earlier if Rolle wasn’t standing in that area like an idiot.

by CanadianCard on Jul 4, 2011 5:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

I've never seen that before

Just another reason I hate Rolle. I never liked him. Still don’t get why people thought he was that great a safety.

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by Jess Root on Jul 4, 2011 7:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Rolle was out of bounds wasn't he?

So your hating him for being on the sidelines actually paying attention to what was happening in the game? Thats just wrong!

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by Strohman on Jul 4, 2011 7:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

He wasn't paying attention

which is why he essentially blocked Fitz in his pursuit. No Rolle block, no Harrison TD and no Pitt victory. Rolle cost us the Super Bowl! There you have it!

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by Jess Root on Jul 4, 2011 7:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Don't see

How you can say that. He was looking at the field… and Harrison had just run past him. Thats how it looked to me. If theres another view that shows it I would like to see it. Seemed to me it happened to fast on that video to say he wasn’t paying attention. Was he watching Harrison? Looked like it too me. His attention should have been on Harrison, not Fitz coming from behind the play.

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by Strohman on Jul 4, 2011 7:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

WTH

is he gonna get done by watching Harrison on the sidelines? He’s not gonna tackle him (he would’ve taken he wrong angle had he been on the field — smh). Better would be pay attention and make sure no one is running down the sidelines.

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by Jess Root on Jul 4, 2011 7:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Would you rather he was on the sideline paying attention

To the last play of the half or already walking off the field? Or sitting on the bench w/ a thumb up his ass? He was where he should have been and doing what he should have been.

When your watching a play do you watch the action on the field or do you watch whats happening behind the play?

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by Strohman on Jul 4, 2011 7:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hey Stohman

Not a personal attack, just curious, do you like to argue against every opinion posted on this site, or do you really disagree with them? And if Rolle saw Harrison rumbling down the sideline, don’t you think he should have figured that some one from his team might be chasing after him and stay out of the way? I’m all for him being into the game, but that was just stupid.

by AlaskanCard on Jul 4, 2011 10:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

I state my opinions

Nothing more. Some agree, some don’t… I could honesly care less either way. But I will defend my opinion, and if wrong admit it. I get your being homers and all… Sorry I’m not one.

Again, what do you watch the action or whats happening behind the play? I forgot about the rule that you can’t stand on the white sideline. Admitted it. WHat more do you want?

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by Strohman on Jul 4, 2011 11:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

"Would you rather he was on the sideline paying attention To the last play of the half or already walking off the field?"

There is nothing wrong with standing on the sideline, every Cardinal was doing it. The problem is, as Joe mentioned, that he was on the only one situated in the white portion which is a dumb ass move because he should have known that it would’ve been used by his teammates in a situation like this.

by CanadianCard on Jul 4, 2011 9:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hey Jess

You’ve been Straw’d!!!!!

by Cardsfan928 on Jul 4, 2011 10:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

I felt the same way

except that I wanted to see what Rolle did.

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by Jess Root on Jul 5, 2011 12:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

I blame Q more than anyone

He made a half hearted effort at the goal line and didn’t chase the guy down the field. There were linemen at midfield trying. Fitz came from the back left of the endzone and Breaston from the right side of the formation to at least try….Q gave up!

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by Cuckoo for Coco Puffs on Jul 5, 2011 8:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was pretty pissed when they selected Ryan Williams in the 2nd round of the 2011 draft.

Not because I didn’t like Ryan Williams but because guys like Ben Ijalana and Kyle Rudolph were available. After watching some tape of Ryan Williams I feel a little better about it but I still think we could have gotten a good running back later in the draft.

by CardsDefense on Jul 4, 2011 3:29 PM MDT reply actions  

RB are a dime a dozen

Nothing against Williams either, but you can find starting RB throughout the draft. And given the short shelf life (career) for the average RB, and the beating they take it isn’t worth a top draft pick unles its a Adrian Peterson kinda RB.

I thought for sure Ijalana would be the pick! He has great potential on the OL. He could start this year at LG and then become an OT w/ a little experience in the NFL.

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by Strohman on Jul 4, 2011 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree that Ijalana should have been the pick and that we should have dont just that with him.

by McCollum, Travis on Jul 4, 2011 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'd agree with the whole handling of the Leinart situation and making DA the guy

Pretty much in the same boat as Jess there.

I also remember being angry with how many players left after the 1998 season although I was 7 at the time and my memory isn’t very good from back then.

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by JoeCB1991 on Jul 4, 2011 4:07 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Totally agree on the Leinart situation

A head coaches job is to win games, and part of that is starting the players who give you the best chance to win, whether you like them or not. I would love to hear his justification on why he believed a new QB in a new system (DA) gave his team a better chance at winning games that a QB who had practiced with the O-Line and Recievers for years(Leinart).

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by Redbird Nation #1 on Jul 4, 2011 5:05 PM MDT reply actions  

4 things that upset me the most in the Whiz era

- Taking 3 years to figure out that Matt Leinart didn’t fit in into Offensive scheme

- Not Trading Matt during the 2010 offseason when his value was high

- Actually thinking that DA and Max Hall were good enough to be starting qb’s

- 4 straight regular season losses against the 49’ers in the last two years

by CanadianCard on Jul 4, 2011 6:30 PM MDT reply actions  

Even though I liked Matt

I don’t really think his trade value was very high in early 2010

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by JoeCB1991 on Jul 4, 2011 6:39 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

But value existed.

Even if it was low. It would have been better to be argue over how bad a trade it was than to get the zero we did by cutting him.

by hadrarius on Jul 4, 2011 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Taking 3 years to figure out that Matt Leinart didn’t fit in into Offensive scheme

I think the Front Office refused to get rid of Leinart. I doubt it took Whis very long to figure out Leinart wasn’t the guy for him. But the FO forced him down Whis’s throat!

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by Strohman on Jul 4, 2011 7:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Theres nothing to talk about over there right now. I make a comment or two, but much more topics of conversation here. WHen the lockout is over, I will be there far more and here much less, if at all…

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by Strohman on Jul 4, 2011 7:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with everything above.

 The one I hate the most was the off season we let Jay Novachek go. Then the whole Buddy Ryan Project. I liked what Joe Bugle put together here and they played real well that first year for Buddy, then he tore the team apart and my heart. Tradeing Plummer sucked big time too. The whole Matt thing was a pisser. Passing on Marcus McNeill
 in the second round of the 2006 draft, we took Fat Boy from USC. I wanted Matt & Winston Justice 1st and 2nd, but after Philly took Justice we never should have taken there #2 OL in the draft. We should have taken McNiell and he would have been in the SuperBowl, blocking Harrison, like Fat Boy couldn’t.

by Reo Hays on Jul 4, 2011 9:35 PM MDT reply actions  

I think the angriest I've ever been at the Cardinals,

was the Monday Night Meltdown against the Bears. I KNEW going into that game we had a great chance to win and we just let it slip away. I don’t even know who to blame…maybe fate. It seemed like every little bounce, every little inch, every little call went the Bears way for the entire 4th quarter. I didn’t even see the last missed FG due to storming out of the room in a murderous rage.
The biggest shame was how Boldin was handled. Did not deserve that and I was so bummed to see him go.

by AlaskanCard on Jul 4, 2011 9:55 PM MDT reply actions  

Can't remember the exact score but.

We beat the Packers with a last second field goal at the the end of 1989…which gave The Cowboys, Troy Akeman (#1 pick) and the Pack ended up with Tony Mandarich.
Imagine the 90’s with those 2 picks reversed!!!

No more night. I have seen the light. Let it shine on bright.
HANG HIM HIGHER!!!

by Cuckoo for Coco Puffs on Jul 5, 2011 5:38 AM MDT reply actions  

correction--we lost that game to the Packers with a last second field goal.

No more night. I have seen the light. Let it shine on bright.
HANG HIM HIGHER!!!

by Cuckoo for Coco Puffs on Jul 5, 2011 5:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

We also passed on Terrel Suggs (local hero)

to take Calvin Pace and Bryant Johnson

No more night. I have seen the light. Let it shine on bright.
HANG HIM HIGHER!!!

by Cuckoo for Coco Puffs on Jul 5, 2011 5:40 AM MDT reply actions  

That was a REALLY bad draft trade...

2 busts, at least w/ the Cards for one of the better DE/OLB in the NFL.

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by Strohman on Jul 5, 2011 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

since I'm mentally challenged

my anger at the Cards has been with personnel decisions. I still can’t get mad at at what happened in the Super Bowl, at least we went.

Drafting Simeon Rice instead of Jonathan Ogden.
Trading down from #5 and then to draft Bryant Johnson and Calvin Pace.
Letting Plummer go (don’t care, still love the Snake).
Jay Novacek and Aeneas Williams leaving.
Currently, not having a plan for the o line. Not drafting linemen is driving me freaking crazy. For that matter, not developing QB’s, but I think they’re working on that.
Wendell Bryant.

by KDean75 on Jul 5, 2011 6:21 PM MDT reply actions  

Super Bowl makes me sick; it totally epitomizes what it means to be a 40+ year Cardinal fan.

Also usually very angry anytime they are on MNF or a national holiday game

by D4 on Jul 6, 2011 9:10 AM MDT reply actions  

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