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Looking Back: What We Said Last Year About Greg Toler And Envisioning The Future

During this offseason, we the fans are stuck looking at old highlights and clips from games past wondering what the Cardinals could do next season once the lockout is over. The quarterback controversy remains, but now a "problem" concerning the depth chart in the secondary has risen to the forefront. 

Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie is a surefire talent if he can continue to give the effort and energy that we saw back in 2009 when he made the Pro Bowl. Patrick Peterson will be a shutdown corner and a great return man if he can replicate what he did as a Tiger in Louisiana. 

As we have discussed this tandem, one man has gone overlooked. Greg Toler did a fantastic job last year after moving into the starting lineup once Bryant McFadden was traded back to the Steelers. Can the Cardinals truly afford to make him a #3 guy and a nickel corner or should he remain a starter?

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The cornerback position is one that the Cardinals can finally say they have depth in. With Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Greg Toler, Michael Adams (if he returns) and now Patrick Peterson, Arizona has the talent and the man-power to contain opposing receivers. 

The Cardinals just decided to draft Patrick Peterson with the fifth overall pick in May, so Ken Whisenhunt is now faced with a dilemma. Will he go with the raw talent of Peterson to start opposite of DRC or will he go with a more experienced player like Toler?

DRC had an off year last year, so is there a possibility that he continues that trend? If so, we could see a starting cornerback duo of Peterson and Toler. After all, looking back to an older story, some people believed that Toler could be a better player than DRC in the long run.

Punisher3190 said:

I actually think this guy will be a better CB

than DRC in the long run…he may not get the amazing interceptions, etc but he will tackle, make solid reads, compliment DRC on the opposing side, and most of all READ the field. We need him to step it up hard this off season! 

What if he were to compliment PP21 instead? It is possible given the fact that we all know Cromartie is not a guy that is known for making a big hit to cause a fumble or exert any more energy than is absolutely necessary. Toler, at times, is a polar opposite and his energy will be needed on the defensive side of the ball. 

I think Punisher's comments from over a year ago (before the dismal 2010 season) were warranted. The most intriguing part was the last sentence, stating that Toler needed to work hard in the offseason. Obviously, he did just that, as he was able to secure a starting role with the team. 

Something Andrew602 said over a year ago that still remains true today is this: 

Toler brings a combination of size, speed, and agility to a secondary that desperately needs someone to step up and play along side Cromartie. He doesn't shy away from contact either, a fearlessness that is welcome on Billy Davis' defense.    

The only difference is that it is now Ray Horton's defense, which puts even more emphasis on hard hits and the blitz. This type of play could work favorably for Toler. 

I think that Toler will be a starter through at least half of the next season. Whisenhunt will stay true to his beliefs of not starting rookies unless he has no other choice, whether that is through injury or poor veteran play. We really do not know what we have with Peterson yet and DRC needs to regain the trust of the fans and the organization. 

So when thinking that Peterson could be the next Deion Sanders or that DRC will have a breakout season and return to Hawaii, don't forget about the solid play of Greg Toler. A guy with that type of talent and work ethic should never be overlooked. 

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The corners will have a strong year

Toler should split starts w/ peterson and PT w/ DRC, with Rhodes and Wilson both big hitters we need more coverage abilities with our corners, cant even imagine another minute of adams playing

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by AiTheLAviTiCuS#21 on Jul 5, 2011 5:53 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Agreed

I think if Adams is brought back, it will mainly be for his special teams contributions. When playing teams like Strohman’s Packers or New Orleans, the more corners the better. Having said that, a guy like Trumaine McBride, AJ Jefferson, or Marshay Green may move ahead of Adams.

by Tyler Nickel on Jul 5, 2011 5:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

AJ Jefferson

would be my bet. McBride is unrestricted. Probably not coming back.

by hadrarius on Jul 5, 2011 10:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm a big fan of Toler

If anything DRC better watch out or he may slip down the depth chart.

by Cardsfan928 on Jul 5, 2011 5:56 PM MDT reply actions  

Keeping Toler can only help the team. I’m all so hoping that A.J Jefferson will take the number 4 spot and keep Adams off the field.

by McCollum, Travis on Jul 5, 2011 6:12 PM MDT reply actions  

Lets not be so quick to dismiss DRC this year

It has been noted that he has put on about 10 pounds of muscle since Horton was hired in the hopes of becoming a more physical corner. Lets all hope Horton can push all the right buttons and turn DRC into the top 5 corner he is capable of being.

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by Redbird Nation #1 on Jul 5, 2011 6:21 PM MDT reply actions  

I like what I have seen from Toler so far

Decent in coverage, very physical, he can hit hard enough to jar the ball out of a receivers hands, and he appears to have good instincts.

This was a pretty smart play by him in the Chargers game too. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantasy/09000d5d81b0b8d9/Cardinals-defense-sack-10-yd-loss

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by JoeCB1991 on Jul 5, 2011 6:37 PM MDT reply actions  

This was a good play by toler

http://www.nfl.com/videos/arizona-cardinals/09000d5d81b08839

Not only did he force the fumble he then pick Rhodes up and pushes him down field some.

by McCollum, Travis on Jul 5, 2011 7:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

teams use 3 recievers a lot

 more often than did in years past. I think that more often than not all 3 corners will be in the game. That means that A-Dub and Rhodes will have to step up big time in the pass rush. Toler’s size probably makes him the best choice to be the slot “corner” in the middle. Although—against teams that like to use little guys as slot receivers, I think DRC would be better at covering.

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by Cuckoo for Coco Puffs on Jul 5, 2011 8:25 PM MDT reply actions  

Nickel

think that more often than not all 3 corners will be in the game

Not sure how much the Cards played last year, but the Packers played nickel or dime D almost 70% of downs last year. It depends how much man or zone you play as to how many quality CB you need. Don’t know about other teams but nickel D is definitely on the rise. I’ll be interested to see what kind of nickel D Horton employs. Pitts seems to stick mostly w/ a 3-3-5, IIRC. THo I’m not entirely sure… Depends on the quality of your OLB. Better OLB means you can’ play w/ 3 down DL, since your OLB become in essense DE.

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by Strohman on Jul 5, 2011 10:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hopefully the Lockout ends fast so Horton can learn what defensive packages work best with the players we have

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by JoeCB1991 on Jul 5, 2011 10:41 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

League average is about 50% with nickel / dime packages.

Cardinals were around 52%. No indicator of what they’ll do this season though.

by hadrarius on Jul 5, 2011 10:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

If Horton

switches it up like your suggesting, we may have something very special this season.

by Cardsfan928 on Jul 6, 2011 12:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

I remember hearing him say in an interview that he wants to mix it up

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by JoeCB1991 on Jul 6, 2011 1:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

Depth is a good thing

Peterson will have to earn the job. I say the more quality corners we have, the better.

by The Suns on Jul 5, 2011 9:37 PM MDT reply actions  

Does
Not
Matter
If there is no pass rush!

by LarryCenters on Jul 6, 2011 5:57 AM MDT reply actions  

I agree!

he’s either being traded or he will start. Regardless DRC is a starter wherever he goes.

by 3andOutcoach on Jul 8, 2011 7:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

I believe that they should consider making Peterson a safety being that Adrian Wilson is getting old.

  DRC is a poor tackler but a excellent cover guy at this point. Toler is a excellent tackler and a very good cover guy at this point. DRC and Toler are a great… duo and compliment each other very well. I feel having Peterson back there with them will cause offenses to stumble and there all young which gives them plenty of time to glue as a unit. DRC is the best out of the three in coverage but he does not tackle well in regards to the run which hinders him from being a complete package. Toler is a excellent tackler and is a verygood cover corner. He is also very physical and has only had one starting season so I believe If his ability to cover grows he is definitely the better corner overall out of the group being that Peterson is not NFL tested. I would let Peterson learn from Adrian Wilson and keep DRC and Toler where they are. If its not broken don’t try to fix it.

by 3andOutcoach on Jul 8, 2011 7:24 AM MDT reply actions  

Peterson will be

a corner at least for now. He doesn’t want to be a safety. After Wilson retires, it may be the way to go. But PP will be unhappy playing safety unless he proves to be Antrel Rolle.

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by Jess Root on Jul 8, 2011 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

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