Why The Arizona Cardinals Have Not Acquired A No. 2 Receiver
Once the move was made to acquire Kevin Kolb to start at quarterback for the Arizona Cardinals, perhaps the biggest topic of debate has been who would be brought in to play the number two receiver. Larry Fitzgerald is set at number one, but with the departure of Steve Breaston, the team has a young core of unproven guys -- Early Doucet, Andre Roberts, Stephen Williams, Max Komar and DeMarco Sampson.
We have discussed a lot of names as possible targets for Arizona to come in and give the team another threat. Braylon Edwards, Lee Evans, Malcolm Floyd, Jerricho Cotchery and even Randy Moss. However, at the end of the day, they have decided to roll with the young guys.
Why?
Ken Whisenhunt clears the air a bit in explaining his reasoning in a couple of interviews. Here is the bit found on azcardinals.com:
"We ask our receivers to do so many different roles, and just to have guys that you can believe in to do it, that's the purpose of building a team is," Whisenhunt said. "That's why you draft guys, that's why you develop guys. At some point, they have to step in and play.
"It would be kind of counterproductive if we didn't continue to try and bring in (young) receivers and develop them. I don't understand what people think from the outside about how you build your football team. You don't just go and get a receiver in free agency (every time) when you lose one. At some point, you've got to have young players that step in and play well."
As for Lee Evans in particular, Whiz said this (hat tip to ESPN's Mike Sando for transcribing the interview on XTRA910):
"Lee Evans is a good player and I like Lee Evans, but Lee Evans is an 'X' [split end]. Lee Evans is not a 'Z'. When you talk about a Z, his responsibility is blocking and being able to do some things that play off of the X receiver. Now, he has been in the league a long time, but when you talk about a receiver at that position being able to come inside and block inside the line or be able to do some of the things that we ask of our Zs, it's not necessarily always a good fit.
"I'm not saying Lee Evans wouldn't have been a good fit, but when you talk about that position, you know it's great to say that this guy is a good receiver, but if you have two of the same kind of receivers, then you're going to be struggling to find ways to get them the ball because they are the same positional guy. And what I mean by that is, Xs are more geared toward running some of the outside routes, the big ins, the gos, the posts, those kind of things, where the Zs are more into the crossing routes, the curls, the inside stuff where they have to make the tight catches.
"And so when you are assessing your team and you talk about a No. 1 or a No. 2, we don't really talk about No. 1 or No. 2. We talk about the role that these guys are going to play and what we're trying to get done. Can the guy play the slot? Can he block? Can he do all these other things? Because that all has to integrate."
So we see a two-fold reasoning. One is the simple fact that you draft players to develop and play. Arizona has Doucet, Roberts and Sampson who have been drafted by Whisenhunt. To not give them a shot would be to essentially have wasted those draft picks.
The other is that putting a team together offensively requires more work than simply assembling a fantasy team. The player that the Cardinals sign would have to be able to play the 'Z' and do all the things that were asked of Breaston. Just as there are many here in the community who (understandably) balk at signing a veteran on defense that has not played a 3-4 scheme in the past, the same caution, thought and scouting should go into moving a veteran receiver from one role to another.
What would have happened if a guy like Evans had been brought in? What if he struggled at the position? That would look terrible.
Honestly, it makes more and more sense to stick to the guys playing in the system at the position. We were spoiled having had Anquan Boldin and Breaston to complement Fitz. That doesn't happen most of the time. Boldin and Fitz were already established. Breaston emerged. Usually, the other receiver opposite of a star emerges.
So with the Whisenhunt quotes, are you seeing the receiver situation any differently? I am. Not being a football X's and O's type of guy, the receiver positions slipped my mind. Even then, I was confident enough in relying on the young guys.
Now did I say yes to Braylon Edwards? Yes. But that does not mean that I have no faith in Roberts and the young guys.
Based on these quotes, for better or for worse, we can expect to see (or at least hope to see) one or more guys step up and take the role over that Breaston left.
Are you going to be okay with that?
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Yes - can we finally stop talking about WR
I get that its a sexy position (magic catches, TDs, etc.) but I am so tired of hearing we need more WR. Somebody ask Whiz about the O-line and specifically the tackles please.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Aug 17, 2011 2:22 PM MDT reply actions
Preechn to the choir OTs! OTs! OTs!
I agree! We need huge upgrades at tackle postition and has not bn addressed at all!!!! Where the out-cry for them? They’d make all the WRs, RBs and QB look and produce better!
There has been
but what reports have come out that the Cardinals are looking at tackles? None. It’s impossible to create any excitement about which great offensive tackle we might be signing when they aren’t even looking. It’s few and far between that you find fans here content with our line and even less so with the tackles in particular.
I still don't understand why
We haven’t moved Levi Brown to RG yet. I’m scared that if we keep him at LT, he’ll continue to not produce like a 1st Round pick, we’ll release him, he’ll get picked up by another team, they’ll move him to RG, and he’ll immediately become a Pro Bowler.
Besides, even if we move him, it’s not like anyone can be worse at the LT position.
I don't understand their stubborness with keeping Levi
Who has been a turnstile and has shown very little improvement.
He is a mauler in the run game, which is very nice to have but we never run the ball.
by Jesse Reynolds on Aug 17, 2011 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions
In fairness to Levi
he has lost some weight, and having guards that can hold a clean pocket helps the tackles tremendously
+1
New guard, new TE’s. Lets hope for the best.
by Jesse Reynolds on Aug 17, 2011 7:41 PM MDT up reply actions
How does King rank amongst blocking?
Is he like a 6th or a lie-ability.
by Cardsfan928 on Aug 17, 2011 11:21 PM MDT up reply actions
King
is a good blocking TE. Seen many Panther games and he’s not the biggest, strongest or fastest TE but he does have a solid ability to play the position. He’ll help the OL.
On a quasi-related note, I believe that he was responsible for 2 of the 8 passing TDs for the Panthers last season. 25% of the teams total. Numbers are fun!!!
Me thinks
our run game will surprisingly good, so good that we will have a 50/50 balance…. That might explain why he’s here :)
Brown and Keith
are both engulfers, I think Williams is gonna make some noise hitting the outside for sure.
by Cardsfan928 on Aug 17, 2011 11:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Easy answer and right answer --- Levi was a 1st round pick big money --- you got to let the talent develop when investing as much as the Cards did. Next year if Levi hasn't proven himself -- which I doubt he will --- he'll be gone ....
…. or back at a salary that pales veteran minimum. I like Levi but he’s a guard not a tackle in the NFL.
You got it — hopefully next year the Cards FO will get that he’s a G.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
Yes, The WR position is getting boring and a little annoying to hear.
Why not discuss the possibility of the Cardinals going after Jon Stinchcomb at RT? What would that do to the depth chart?
Go get an OT
like a Stinchcomb or even a Mckinnie and have him and duece sit out practice and go to the gum every day with Coach Lott!!! Oh and then after week 1 go sign T.O.
Josh McCown just went to the 49ers
Arizona Cardinals/Phoenix Suns/ Arizona Diamondbacks/Phoenix Coyotes/ Arizona Rattlers/Chicago Bears fan
[I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Wow
I remember watching him lead us to a W over the Eagles back in the Heat Stroke Sun Devil bowl…
by Jesse Reynolds on Aug 17, 2011 4:45 PM MDT up reply actions
But what role would he play?
I think that’s the point.
by Jesse Reynolds on Aug 17, 2011 4:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t mind in the slot or the 2 with his height n hands Roberts would be. Percy harvinesh n would be great across the middle …. Also wouldn’t mind us looking at Taylor mays from frisco would be great for team to
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by Drullin'OverDaCards on Aug 17, 2011 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think they did fine at WR
We have 3 different WR’s all with very different abilities vying to get that No. 2 spot, throw in a proven commodity in Heap, we are set in the hands department.
"Putting a team together requires more work than simply assembling a fantasy team."
Great line. I think a lot of people miss this entirely. Whisenhunt talking about how they design plays for the receivers got me thinking it was a fantastic topic to break down. Lots of fans have little or no idea about receiver routes, how all the routes work together in play design and what kinds of skills teams are looking for in different types of receivers. Add in the fact that we finally have a legitimate threat at tight end and it opens up so much more for us now to consider with our offense.
by hadrarius on Aug 17, 2011 7:05 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
Do it! A football 101 article on routes would be great.
by Jesse Reynolds on Aug 17, 2011 7:42 PM MDT up reply actions
People need to buy and read Pat Kirwan's book "Take Your Eye Off the Ball"
Best breakdown of what is happening on the field I have ever come across.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Aug 17, 2011 9:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Kirwan's book
I was actually looking at that on Amazon last night. Thinking of buying it. How much can it help when all you’ve got is what they show on tv though, which always follows the ball? Looks like it’s worth a read regardless, but wondering how much it can be put into effect in that limited circumstance.
It gets into formation lingo and what formations tell you about the game
Blocking schemes, etc. A lot of it is stuff that is on the screen even if you watch on tv but you’re right, once they snap the ball almost all you see is the guy with the ball on tv.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Aug 18, 2011 8:53 PM MDT up reply actions
yo everyone seems to think we need more OL
why not bring back big Lenard davis is he even still available?? Probably get him for a few footballs and a roll of duct tape lol
by tucson cards fan on Aug 17, 2011 7:07 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Guard right now is not the issue.
They have lots of depth there. Colledge, Womack, Deuce, Hadnot. Davis wouldn’t help the tackle situation.
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C'mon now Jess
Maybe this version of the Big Red Line will work out better than the last, especially, i think the line may actually be bigger than the first time around.
by Cardsfan928 on Aug 17, 2011 11:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Definitely need the O line help not WR.
But what options are available I haven’t kept up on that so I have no idea
by BIGRED CARDINAL on Aug 17, 2011 7:26 PM MDT reply actions
Missed on the top prospects.
Best out there right now is maybe Jon Stinchcomb who was just released from the Saints. Issue there is that he is 31 and coming off surgery on his quadricep. The Saints are still on the hook for almost 5 million regardless of cutting him so it wasn’t about cap space. Keeping an eye on the waiver wire but don’t expect the team to take action.
Will someone be kind and explain to someone that doesn’t understand the roles of the X Y and Z receivers?
As brief of descriptions as you please, but obviously I can at least get an idea from the Z comments from Whiz.
Sorry if everyone knows but me, but figured I might as well ask.
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Pulled this from wikipedia, its kind of “meh” with its answer.
While the general fan base and most commentators use the generic term wide receiver for all such players, specific names exist for most receiver positions:
Split end (X or SE): A receiver on the line of scrimmage, necessary to meet the rule requiring seven such players at snap. Where applicable, this receiver is on the opposite side of the tight end. The split end is farthest from center on his side of the field.5
Flanker (Z or FL): A receiver lining up behind the line of scrimmage. Frequently the team’s featured receiver, the flanker uses the initial buffer between himself and a defender to avoid jamming, legal contact within five yards of the line of scrimmage. The flanker is generally on the same side of the formation as a tight end. As with the split end, this receiver is the farthest player from the center on his side of the field. The flanker is probably lined up just like a split end except that he is just behind the line of scrimmage, being in the backfield and not on the line.6
Slot receiver (Y or SL): A less-formal name given to receivers in addition to split ends and flankers (for example tight-ends who line up wide). These receivers line up between the split end/flanker and the linemen. If aligned with a flanker, the slot receiver is usually on the line of scrimmage, and if with a split end, off the line of scrimmage. As with the flanker position, a featured receiver often takes a slot position with a split end to avoid jamming.6
Slot back: A receiver lining up in the offensive back field. Canadian and Arena football allow them to take a running start at the line. They are usually larger players as they need to make catches over the middle. In American football slot backs are typically used in flexbone or other triple option offenses while Canadian football uses them in almost all formations.
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Ha
On my college team x y and z were just WR’s 1 2 and 3… I assume systems has variance. I wonder how universal this is.
by Jesse Reynolds on Aug 18, 2011 7:30 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Really?...we're still developing various topics around the same subject?
C’mon! Really!!! Did we not have something else to talk about and felt it necessary to put something out there?
How many different subject lines can we develop to cover this topic? I can see this as a fanpost, but here? Time to move on….
Its the same subject over and over again!!! Give me a break and let it rest!
Its not happening.
Better subjects are the OL, pressure on the QB, or perhaps SS with Wilson’s injury.
This is borderline – hype!! Enough already.
Time to let it go….
Or
you can start posting some content? and maybe not rip on someone else’s?
Point taken
it wasn’t meant as a rip. I’m just tired of the same subject. Sorry for my ‘Sybil’ moment……
I have to admit I thought the Cards needed a "true 2" but from what I've seen they look covered. I think the addition of Stuckey was a good one .. the troops at WR are ready or at least I believe them to be.
We’re extremely deep at the position with all the young guys from last year and the new blood. I get the Cards approach and it’s appreciated.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
I too
Like the addition of Stuckey. He never did too much in NY or Cleveland, but I recall some good performances from him as a Clemson Tiger (of course, Lienart was impressive at SoCal and Beanie was impressive at Ohio St…so…). Hoping that a change of scenery can help kick-start his production.
Agree
With both of you and think we have some promising young talent. The only real question marks I have are about who’s going to make the 53! Also curious if we’re going to carry 5 WRs & 4 TEs or 6 & 3, will be interesting to see where Whiz goes with this one….
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