Should the Cardinals trade Kevin Kolb to Cleveland

by Cardiac Card on Jan 10, 2012 5:59 PM MST

An article in the Cleveland paper suggests the Browns may be interested in Kolb. Their coach and GM both were with the Eagles and scouted Kolb when Philly drafted him. It also points out how Kolb is a West Coast QB, which is what Cleveland runs and Arizona doesnt. Cleveland has the 4th, 22nd and 37th picks this year and would probably part with the 37th pick and mabye a mid rounder for him. Personally, I think Kolb deserves one FULL year in Az before he is given up on. It was not too long ago that it was said that the decision to aquire Kolb would determine Whisenhunts future with the team. What do you think? Should we let Kolb go to Cleveland and roll with Skelton?

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/01/cleveland_browns_draft_project_1.html

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1018637-nfl-rumors-the-latest-buzz-on-kevin-kolb-to-cleveland-browns

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How would you feel about the Cardinals trading Kolb to Cleveland?

Still too early

96 votes

Only if a 1st rounder is involved

110 votes

If they can get a 2nd and mid rounder pull the trigger

139 votes

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Its an interesting thought

Kolb would do much better in a West Coast Offense but who is he going to throw the ball to in Cleveland? The Cardinals could use a 2nd round pick with the holes on this team, but I dont see it happening. I just hope the O-line gets shored up or another concussion is pretty much guaranteed. And I just read Russ Grimm has been offered an extension

by Redbird Nation #1 on Jan 10, 2012 6:48 PM MST reply actions

Wait!

Another concussion…..?…… NOooooooOOOooo….. wait….. did you say Grimm was offered an extension….?….NOOoooooOOooo!!!! If Kolb gets any more than one more concussion, he’s going to retire I guarantee. It would be too much of a risk to his health to stay in the league and continue getting more head trauma. Plus he could easily leave and he’d still be set for life!

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by Ghettoboxx on Jan 10, 2012 7:00 PM MST up reply actions

What exactly is

a West Coast Offense?

by Jester1 on Jan 14, 2012 4:36 PM MST up reply actions

Description of West Coast Offense

“West Coast Offense” (“WCO”) is a common term for an offense that places a greater emphasis on passing than on running.

There are two similar but distinct offensive-strategic-systems of play which are commonly referred to as “West Coast Offenses”: (A) the Air Coryell system popularized by Don Coryell; or (B) more commonly the offensive system popularized by Bill Walsh characterized by short, horizontal passing routes in lieu of running plays to “stretch out” defenses, opening up the potential for long runs or long passes.

Where the term came from ???? The term “West Coast Offense”, as it is now commonly used, derives from a remark made by then-New York Giants coach Bill Parcells after the Giants defeated the San Francisco 49ers 17-3 in the 1985 playoffs. Parcells, a believer in tough defense over finesse-oriented offense, scornfully derided the 49ers’ offense with the statement, “What do you think of that West Coast Offense now?”

Sorry folks, park's closed. Moose out front shoulda told ya.

by Ghettoboxx on Jan 14, 2012 5:59 PM MST up reply actions

Atleast that's what it says in Wikipedia

If I tried to describe it, it definitely wouldn’t be as good or organized as this. And I probably would have written a novel trying to do so lol

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by Ghettoboxx on Jan 14, 2012 6:01 PM MST up reply actions

We want

The 22nd and 37th…. At least equal value of what we gave up to get him right? I wouldnt trade him for less then a 1st and 3rd

by cgcardzfan on Jan 10, 2012 7:21 PM MST via mobile reply actions

There's only one problem with that.....

if that’s what you’re expecting to get for him, you must see some value in him right? If that’s the case, why not keep him? I don’t think he’s been given enough of a chance with the team yet. All but one of the games we lost were close. I think with this offseason, we’ll see another Kolb. fingers crossed

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by Ghettoboxx on Jan 10, 2012 7:31 PM MST up reply actions

I'd be shocked if this happened

Kolb still hasn’t had the opportunity to show if he can learn this offense and be a strong QB. I don’t see the Cards pulling the trigger on this trade without an offer they can’t refuse-a 1st round pick.

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by robloosli on Jan 10, 2012 7:53 PM MST reply actions 1 recs

The cleveland.com article you linked

suggests that they should pick up on Kolb AFTER he’s been dropped. that won’t happen anytime soon.

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by blank_38 on Jan 10, 2012 9:12 PM MST reply actions

Too damn early to even talk about this

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by JoeCB1991 on Jan 10, 2012 9:12 PM MST reply actions

no joke

Knee jerk reactions are very rarely successful in this league.

by Steamin' Beamin' on Jan 18, 2012 10:01 AM MST up reply actions

No way would anyone offer a 1st round pick for Kolb

If Kolb didn’t yield a 1st round pick when he was dubbed as the next franchise quarterback, then we aren’t getting that for what he did this year.

by cardinalbrown on Jan 10, 2012 9:33 PM MST reply actions 1 recs

Kolb, straight up for a 2nd round pick?

I’d do it in a heartbeat, because I don’t believe in Kolb, but the question is what do we do at QB? The thought of Skelton/Bartel/Rookie or FA under center, does not give me confidence for making the playoffs.

by Spikedriver on Jan 10, 2012 10:35 PM MST reply actions

Kolb may be worth a 5th round pick at best

by McCollum, Travis on Jan 10, 2012 11:09 PM MST reply actions

We could only be so lucky,

to get a 5th for him, it will be like Christmas in the spring if the Kolb expirement ended.

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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Jan 10, 2012 11:22 PM MST reply actions 1 recs

If we signed Peyton, sure

The thing is, Kolb will be much improved next season so we would only be shooting ourselves in the foot.

by Jesse Reynolds on Jan 11, 2012 12:29 AM MST reply actions

Put on the brakes,

Kolb should be much improved, and he has some major durability issues, which is a huge red flag.

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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Jan 11, 2012 9:09 PM MST up reply actions

Please

You are kettle calling the pot black.

by Jesse Reynolds on Jan 12, 2012 12:40 PM MST up reply actions

Oh really,

so it’s a SURE thing that Kolb will be improved, please define improved? Last season was nothing to build on for him.

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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Jan 12, 2012 4:27 PM MST up reply actions

The game against Dallas was something to build on

But you’re right, let’s cut our QB who didn’t even get a full season.

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by Skii on Jan 12, 2012 6:26 PM MST up reply actions

If last season was (as you said)

nothing to build on for him, then there is literally nowhere to go but up. Either way though, he should benefit greatly from having another season, and his first full off-season as a cardinal. He should, and i full expect him to, be much better than he was this season. More comfortable in the pocket and with the plays, better chemistry with the receivers, more familiar with our spread offense. All of this will lead to a better season

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by GreaZzy on Jan 13, 2012 11:34 PM MST up reply actions

Time to cut our losses

I say we get whatever we can for him, and sign Peyton Manning or have John Skelton start next season.

Keep it real!!

by AZ Fan #1 on Jan 11, 2012 2:41 AM MST reply actions

all those ready to dump the man lets give it another year with more pieces in place. Keep hearing about his pocket presence yet remembe he took some shots hanging in there to deliver the ball. Over time Ol got better feel he would have also as evident by 2nd hald of Dallas game. Soory but Jons accuracy still needs work especially when he throws passes directly to the defensive backs. All those who have made up their minds on Kolb you have done it with very small work.

by naironpalm3 on Jan 11, 2012 8:09 AM MST reply actions

It's not a performance issue with Kolb,

it’s a durability issue, just cool down there whistlebritches.

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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Jan 11, 2012 9:11 PM MST up reply actions

I voted option #3

I’ve never been anti-Kolb (though I also never liked the trade for him) and I’ve defended him this season, but if we could actually get a 2nd rounder and mid-rounder for Kolb….I think it’s a no-brainer. We take it and run. Keep going with Skelton, bring in someone else to push him, and let another team develop Kolb, absorb his huge contract, and risk his injury history.

by Zapf on Jan 11, 2012 12:23 PM MST reply actions

They won't trade for him

They’d just give him a look if we cut him.

by forget on Jan 11, 2012 12:49 PM MST via mobile reply actions

I agree with 2 or 3 BUT....

It’s just wishful thinking. NO ONE WILL GIVE UP SQUAT FOR KOLB, and his value is diddly poo right now. That’s why I would just threaten to cut him and restructure his contract- that way we can actually keep him and hedge our bets on him.

by tonyman121 on Jan 11, 2012 12:52 PM MST reply actions

If we were to trade him

I’d want at least a 1st Rounder.

And if it were to happen, we’d better have a better plan than just gambling and sticking with Skelton. I’d want us to have a plan to get someone like Flynn, and let them compete, or something like that.

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by Skii on Jan 11, 2012 3:10 PM MST reply actions

This

I would want at least a 1st rounder and we would need more then just Skelton on the roster as a viable option. We still don’t even know if either of these QBs can step up for us and I am not comfortable by having only 1 of them if they are to remain on the roster,

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by Airwave on Jan 11, 2012 3:23 PM MST up reply actions

I would only do this if they parted with pick 37.

Then, I would use that pick to select Russell Wilson out of Wisconsin. However, I prefer we not trade Kolb yet until we can see what he can fully do.

by RedFury08 on Jan 12, 2012 11:16 PM MST reply actions

First off I wasn't sure where to ask this and I didn't want to put up a thread just for an answer.

Anyway does anyone have an offseason schedule link? I’ve looked and I can’t find one for 2012. All the dates not just senior bowl, nfl combine and draft but the whole pie. It would be much appreciated.

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by az78true on Jan 13, 2012 11:36 PM MST reply actions