The Upcoming Offseason: Why the Cards need a new OC
This will be a post about what I think will be one of the more important moves in the coming off season for the Cardinals.
Besides resigning players like Calais Campbell, I think it is pertinent to get a new offensive coordinator as well. The offense this season seemed lackluster, and while a great deal of that might have to do with the poor offensive line play at the beginning of the season or the uncertainty at the quarterback position and injuries at the running back position, I think that the offensive play calling was rather dull the entire year.
Maybe I am just green with envy after watching the amazing plays called by great offensive teams like the Packers, Saints, Patriots, etc..but I think bringing in a new OC, when we actually have an actual off season to install the new system, would be amazing. I know it was Mike Miller's first season as an OC, but I just don't see much potential here. I think it would be in the Cardinals' best interest to go after people like Mike Martz, who was just let go by the Bears. He was the evil genius behind the Greatest Show On Turf, which I am quite the believer in after seeing what another strong part of that same offense did for us.
This season under Mike Miller, the passing attack was average, ranking 17th in the league. While, the Cardinals had a division high 550 pass attempts, the Cardinals do exist in a running back/defense drive division. With the likes of Steven Jackson, Frank Gore, and Marshawn Lynch running the ball. When looking at the run game, the Cardinals rank 24th in the league and dead last in the NFC West, with 389 rushing attempts. While this is partially due to finally behind/lack of a run game(when Beanie was running hurt/out with injury), not running the ball negatively affects games in a very important manner, simply put, time of possession. While the end of the year average is too bad( 28:43 for the Cards and 32:25 for opponents) there games such as the first game against the 49ers in which the Cards possessed the ball for 15:44 and the Niners possessed the ball for a whopping 44:16. A less extreme example would be the Cardinals loss to the Steelers where Pittsburgh possessed the ball for 35:47 and the Cards 24:13. Now I know just time of possession for these games might not mean too much to you, but then look at the total rushing plays, the Steelers had 28 for an average of 3.2 yards a play and the Cardinals had 19 for an average of 3.8(note: the Cards passed 34 times this game). Also, for the Niners game the Cards rushed a total of 11 times for an average of 7.3 yards and the Niners rushed 49 times for an average of 5.0 yards.
I understand that the offenses I mentioned above are not run heavy teams and that criticizing Mike Miller for not running the ball more often when I am using those great passing offenses as examples is a bit odd, I simply mean that the Cardinals offense need to play more to the strength of the team as a whole. The Cardinals passing game was suspect for most of the year and staying with the run game might have provided the stability necessary on offense for the team to have scraped by with one or two more wins, which could have possibly put them in the off season. I do realize that the team also has one of the greatest receiving talents in the league in Fitzgerald, but without an experienced, proven, passer to get the ball to him(which they really did start doing until the second half of the season) that is pretty much a moot point.
Now I know many of you might not agree with bringing in Mike Martz as a new OC, but my point is that the Cardinals, as an offense, need someone new at the helm. Someone who can draw up innovative plays that can utilize the talents of Larry Fitzgerald, Hyphen, Beanie, and Skelton/Kolb(whichever one wins out). I believe that Mike Miller simply does not have to tools to bring this offense back to glory(read: the Kurt Warner Days) and this should be an important focus during this coming off season.
Do you agree with need a new OC? If so, who?
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I don't know if Kolb/Skelton will get along with him very well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt9HEKrPwfU
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Wow..
I have never seen that, but I just don’t know if Cutler himself is a very likable guy. He always seems either depressed or pissy.
He actually does do a ton of charity stuff
He just doesn’t like to publicize it. He is not very good with the media, but his teammates seem to like him and that would be enough for me.
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Yeah, and people were stunned when McDaniels traded this guy.
What a professional demeanor. Cutler has always been too big for his britches and Martz can be a real hardass. Maybe Chicago will hire Haley and we’ll get some spectacular sound bites in the future.
Keep in mind that changing OCs
Will likely mean that our QBs will have to learn yet another system. I know Miller’s playcalling was questinable, but I wonder how much of that is the QBs ability to run all of the pays effectively.
We all saw what happened with a new DC and how the defense struggled picking up his complicated system, are we sure we need to do the same to the offense? I think with a full offseason, Miller will be able to open up the playcalling a bit and we should see an improvement in the offense, and an improvement in QB play.
We all bleed Cardinal Red, but most of us don't recognize it!
"It takes no talent to give great effort"--Chris Petersen
Patrick Peterson is the 2nd coming of Deion Sanders. They even wear the same number.
But the defense didn't have an offseason.
And Mike Martz runs a West Coast offense similar to the one in Philly.
you're right, Defense didn't have an offseason
and struggled mightily during the 1st half of the season until they figured the scheme out.
I’m not opposed to changing OC’s, Miller certainly hasn’t lit the world on fire, but change isn’t always good. Sometimes continuity can lead to staggering improvements. Besides, I’m not sure we have the personel for the West Coast offense, and Martz’s schemes have driven him out of too many organizations for my tastes…
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Patrick Peterson is the 2nd coming of Deion Sanders. They even wear the same number.
I thought Martz ran more of a Coryell offense than a West Coast offense
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"Coryell style West Coast"
No clue what that means but an Eagles fan told me thats what the Eagles run.
That's hilarious! Don was all about spreading people out and creating mismatches just like the current NFL OC's. Don always looked to stretch the field and pick apart the secondary in quick strikes.
The homerun strike was his apple of the eye. If he didn’t get a yard on 1st that was okay because he drew up a big strike for 2nd down. The west coast offense runs on a completely different idea. The idea is to march down the field and if the big play is there take it. If it’s a yard then so be it …. if it’s 99 then all the better. The west coast O is all about getting something positive every down and then pushes the field with the deep ball only when the opportunity is there.
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-Bender
Nice recap
As I understand it West Coast is more about timing and throwing the ball to a location than Don’s offense.
by Jesse Reynolds on Jan 4, 2012 11:11 PM MST up reply actions
Shuckers, I just was warned for cursing too much. The shame I feel right now is well... by golly turrible (Cleveland). I just don't understand I'm usually such a good boy.
If you knew me I don’t have a censorship bone in me so…. this might not end well.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
Okay, why exactly was I warned? I looked through my comments and I haven't cussed except for the in the game threads.
Which in the warning itself said was okay to do. So what exactly did I do to get warned now?
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
I wonder the same things,
when I got a couple of them.
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You actually had like three words in one sentence. Nothing too horrific though. We just have to maintain guidelines of keeping things clean for readers of all ages.
It’s not a big deal, just is what it is.
by Jesse Reynolds on Jan 5, 2012 7:37 PM MST up reply actions
Oh... I don't remember posting anything that vicious but I have on occassion so ... Got it.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
You're good
So no worries, it happens.
by Jesse Reynolds on Jan 5, 2012 10:51 PM MST up reply actions
The OC change isn't happening period as you said ... it's a whole new system. It's just not going to happen as the Cards are trying to replicate the top franchises which are all about CONTUNITY!
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
I feel that hopefully with camp and preseason there will be enough for team to learn whatever system new OC puts in place. There is no imagination in spite of all the weapons we have. It was good to see hypen show given some plays designed for him he can make an impact. Wonder if some one can design some plays for Patrick. With an improved Ol hopefully the running attack will be imaginative especially with Ryan returning.
I have not seen anything from Miller to make me feel he is the man for the job
There are some problems with Martz that I think should keep him out of here
He doesn’t let the QB audible, this also lead to some timeouts being wasted because the play couldn’t be changed or there was issues getting the play called in time.
He is very stubborn, doesn’t want to change his offense. When the Bears started winning this season it was because Cutler and some of the other coaches made him adjust things.
Does not want to use Tight Ends as anything except blockers. This is why Greg Olsen who was the best receiver for the Bears was traded to Carolina.
Even if it gets the QB beaten up, he will continue to have the QB take 7 step drops without leaving many guys in to help the O-Line protect.
If you thought Miller and Whiz ignored the ground game too much, you will hate Martz even more because of that.
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by JoeCB1991 on Jan 4, 2012 8:47 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
Martz isn't coming to the desert as I'm sure you know.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
Just pointing out some of the bead things about him
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No ... it's not happening. Haley will have more opportunites and this won't be an option no matter if the Cards want or not.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
well it looks like its at least an option (thanks joeCB1991):
by hellojellojw on Jan 6, 2012 12:47 AM MST up reply actions
Like I said in another thread I'm shocked but preparing to put foot in mouth.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
Martz
was just an idea. A formerly successful OC I am a bit familiar with. Though I completely forgot Todd Haley was looking for work :P
Martz,
doesn’t like using TE’s and we need to see more use out of the TE position to get better on offense. Miller’s playcalling was rather vanilla and predictable; however a lot of the times had the players executed the play properly we may be in the post season, possibly a symptom of the lockout with so many new pieces on offense.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Jan 4, 2012 5:37 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
Cha-ching!
Yeah, I think you are spot on. Another year with Miller at the helm is the way to go. It was Miller’s first year as the OC and he didn’t get an off season. How much of a stamp did he really get to put on the Cardinals offense this season? It’s Whisenhunt’s system he is running. We could see a lot more unfold next season. It’s too early to write him off as a coordinator. Whis implied there would not be a great many changes and that would be a huge one. Martz in particular would not be someone I would want to see here. Miller didn’t dazzle but he deserves another year.
Wow I think this may be the first in a long time I've agreed with you but all the same I do.
I don’t think Millers calls were “vanilla” for the most part. I believe he doesn’t have the personel he hoped he had or thought he had. Let’s call for Millers head after ‘12 when the Cards put up 24 pts. per game average. Ryan Williams changes his calls as long as Miller sees that LSH isn’t an inside runner except on the rare occasion all will be fine. I’m looking forward to ’12 and the power that will be the Cards O.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
+1
I DO NOT want Martz. I can’t stand him or his offense
by Jesse Reynolds on Jan 4, 2012 11:12 PM MST up reply actions
+1
No matter who the OC is, it’s Whisenhunt’s offense. Not much point in us bringing in an all-new coordinator. It’d set both the coaches and the players behind, and as much as we struggled at QB in 2011 I’m hell-bent on seeing both Skelton and Kolb with another year in the same system. There’s only room for one Alex Smith in the NFC West.
+1. Love the Alex Smith connection.
As much as our O looked stale, switching WOULD, set us back. Though I won’t lie. I still want a new OC.
When life gives you lemons... Bag them up and sell them. Fruit can be expensive these days.
by hevchv on Jan 5, 2012 11:42 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Martz offense
3)Does not have audibles in the system. The passing game has multiple levels of pass plays and requires a QB to be very knowledgeable with his pre-snap reads and make quick decisions. In case it wasn’t obvious this wasn’t Kolb or Skelton’s strong point.
2) The lack of a “adjust-ability” to the offense requires a very good offensive line and a QB who can make his reads quick and get rid of the ball as soon as he hits his last step in their drop. Again doesn’t fit the Cardinals personnel.
3) Martz doesn’t run the ball and believes in using his RB and match problems against the defense. Beanie not exactly a receiving back
4) Martz offense is supposedly one of the hardest to completely understand for all of the positions. It would probably take the team a year just to learn the system.
5) I would be much happier with a “west cost” OC from Packers, or Saints because Kolb has more familiarity with this system. How about getting someone like Rick Dennison the OC from Houston, or Gerald Brown RB coach from Atlanta. How about Tom Clemens GB QB coach who worked with Ken Whisenhunt in Pittsburgh from 2001-2003.
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I don't want Martz but I will say that his quarterbacks take a lot of sacks
We already have that part locked down.
We gonna break some records
Take that David Carr!
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Putting your own twist,
on Joe’s previous post, quick question though why are you over here when your team is in the post season?
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Um...
Thank to the browser innovation of multiple windows I am actually able to be on more than one website at a time….
Not to mention I wanted a slight break from the constant Tim Tebow talk.
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I usually have a ton of windows open at once too
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Not a good year to change OC...
remember that Wiz is a closet OC… don’t need the headaches. Let our QB situation mature. Miller will work out best because he owes Wiz. If offense fails next year it will be more on Wiz then Miller. Sounds mean spirited but… I think Wiz doesn’t want a whole new offensive philosophy. Wiz can then use Miller to make change and save his bacon if things go south.
Looks like we are going to talk with Haley
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