Disproving The False Idea That Levi Brown Would Make A Great Right Tackle
With Levi Brown set to incur a $17 million cap hit against the Arizona Cardinals next season, it has pretty much become a foregone conclusion that he will either need to restructure his contract or he will get cut. Regardless, many people apart of the Revenge of the Birds community feel that Brown should be brought back, not only at a lower price, but also at a different position.
If Levi Brown were to play right tackle, he would not be forced to go against the most elite pass rusher every team has to offer. Also, teams tend to run the ball more to the right side. Brown just so happens to be a much better run blocker than a pass protector. So why not bring Brown back to play at the right tackle position?
The Cardinals have already been down this road with Brown before and it would be wise for them to learn from their past mistakes.
Up until the 2010 season, Brown was actually the starting right tackle for the Cardinals. He was the starter for the team that went to the Super Bowl and the team that was eventually eliminated by the eventual champion Saints during the 2009 playoffs. Many people feel that if he were to revert back to this position, he would automatically become a more effective player, perhaps one that could start to live up to his high draft status.
However, this idea is simply inaccurate. Brown was actually just as or even less effective than Brandon Keith while playing as the right tackle for the Cardinals.
Let's look at Brown's 2009 stats as an example. According to Pro Football Focus, Brown played in 659 pass blocking situations during the regular season. In that period, he gave up nine sacks, 16 quarterback hits (poor Kurt Warner) and allowed 28 QB pressures. Keep in mind, this was all with a future Hall of Fame quarterback sitting under center with an incredibly fast release time and unparalleled knowledge of the protection schemes.
To compare, we will look at Brandon Keith, the current starting right tackle for the Cardinals, and his 2011 stats. Last season, Keith was on the field for 339 passing plays and allowed 5 sacks, 2 QB hits and 24 quarterback pressures. His pass blocking skills were among the worst of all right tackles in the league.
If we prorate Keith's snaps and stats to be equivalent to Brown's 2009 statistics as a right tackle, we can clearly see that Brown might have actually been worse than Brandon Keith. Keith would have allowed somewhere around nine sacks, 4 QB hits and 45+ pressures at the rate he was playing. Brown's run blocking grade that was given by PFF was slightly better than Keith's, but still not anything to rave about.
Now, I think we can all agree that the Cardinals could definitely use an upgrade at the right tackle position. Keith just didn't play to the level that the team was hoping for. So why would the Cardinals continue down that road of mediocrity by placing Brown back on the right side? The team needs an upgrade and Brown just isn't the guy for the job.
In light of these stats, what do you think? Has your opinion of Brown being the team's right tackle changed? Should the Cardinals even look to keep him around? Let us know in the comments section below.
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The Cards must see something that we don't...
because they still like Levi at left tackle. IMHO he sucks and should be released or his contract restructured so cheap he can be retained as a so-so backup. Let him test the free agent market if necessary because in spite of the speculation, I doubt that he will generate much interest with his crappy stats. Even with rookie learning curves we could do better through the draft without breaking a sweat.
My take on this is the FO knows there are only about 20 true left tackles in the NFL and a bad left tackle, paid at the level of a bad left tackle, is better than no left tackle.
by Drullin'OverDaCards on Feb 22, 2012 9:47 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Well said
Teams don’t let good LTs go, and we have no replacement thus far.
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Didn't Bryant McKinnie do well in Baltimore?
But yes, as a rule teams don’t let good LTs go unless they had no choice because of the salary cap or if they have a soon-to-be star young guy behind him on the depth chart.
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Agree
It’s absolutely shocking to me that he’s been the unquestioned starter for so long. By any metric that grades OL, he’s a well below average tackle, being paid well above average money. The idea that he’s still young enough to be able to grow as a player is faulty logic at this point. He’s started 75 games over the past 5 years and at this point he is what he is, an above average run blocker and a piss poor pass protector.
Moving him to right tackle won’t change the fact that every speed rusher he faces will eat his lunch. Defenses are too flexible now anyways with moving guys around to create mismatches so “hiding” him on the right side away from elite pass rushers is an idea doomed to fail.
I’m almost to the point where I hope he gets cut and some other team picks him up, put him guard and he makes a Pro Bowl. At least half of us here would be able to say we’ve been 100% right for the past three or four years.
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by Steamin' Beamin' on Feb 22, 2012 9:53 AM MST up reply actions
what's worse
16 hits versus 4 hits, or 28 pressures versus 45+ pressures?
unless this is someone switching to a bowling conversation, give me the lower numbers
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by Steamin' Beamin' on Feb 22, 2012 12:22 PM MST up reply actions
*somehow
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by Steamin' Beamin' on Feb 22, 2012 12:22 PM MST up reply actions
I'm asking
which one of those numbers is worse, 16 hits, or 45+ pressures?
without knowing some kind of stats on how often pressures result in hits
I don’t really know how to answer that question. I guess you’d always prefer a pressure to a hit, but they are somewhat similar and 16 is quite a bit less than 45+ so I’d have to go with the 16 hits.
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by Steamin' Beamin' on Feb 22, 2012 1:29 PM MST up reply actions
The point that you guys are arguing over is moot
What it basically comes down to is that they both allowed way too much pressure/hits/sacks on our QBs. Neither one of them are adequate right tackles. The comparison was used in the article just because pretty much everyone believes Keith played poorly, but Brown played just as bad during his time at RT as well.
by Tyler Nickel on Feb 22, 2012 1:34 PM MST up reply actions
So what you’re telling me is ………Brown vs. Keith = Kolb vs. Skelton
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by Steamin' Beamin' on Feb 22, 2012 1:51 PM MST up reply actions
can
you pull the number of pass blocking situations for Levi for this year? Don’t see a way of doing that without signing up.
What were his numbers this year?
Sure
Brown took 653 pass pro snaps as LT this year. Of that, he allowed 11 sacks, 5 QB hits and 40 pressures. He also had 6 penalties, all accepted. He only allowed one sack, zero QB hits and 8 pressures from week 12 on, though. He had to of known that he’ll be working for that new contract. I see that as somewhat of an outlier to be honest. Just my opinion, though.
by Tyler Nickel on Feb 22, 2012 3:50 PM MST up reply actions
Contract years
It says a lot about a guy who plays mediocre at best during the beginning and middle of his contract and then starts playing at his real potential when it’s close to his contract expiration. It either shows that Grimm isn’t getting Levi to give him his best everyday, or Levi doesn’t care about anything but money.
"When life gives you lemons, I say f**k the lemons and bail."
Perhaps
And most of the time that is true. But then you look at a guy like Alan Branch who didn’t play well during his first few seasons with the Cards, but came on strong in the latter half of 2010. After that, he went to sign a FA contract with SEA and was on of the better 4-3 DTs in the league.
by Tyler Nickel on Feb 22, 2012 9:31 PM MST up reply actions
Sounds like
Keith at least hung in there to only allow a ‘pressure’. Levi looks like he gave up and let pressures become hits and sacks.
"When life gives you lemons, I say f**k the lemons and bail."
what does that mean
What is “hung in there”? In what way did Levi give up? He step to the side? what?
Going by this year, I’d say Keith got more help than Levi did, but that’s just what I saw.
+1
He will be a LT for some team this year. Hopefully it’s us and hopefully it’s for cheap
by cardinalbrown on Feb 22, 2012 11:00 AM MST up reply actions
Well, but
Levi the LT in 2010 was worse than Levi the LT in 2011 as well, so you really can’t just look at Levi’s pre-2010 numbers and expect them to be the same if he’s moved back to RT. Just because he was a bad RT previously doesn’t mean he’d be a bad RT going forward.
He’s obviously improved, so there are really three questions in this conversation; has he improved just because he expects to hit the market, has he improved enough to consider keeping around, and would his improvement translate back to the RT position? If you can answer no to the first and yes to the second, then you consider keeping him around. If you get a better LT option and can answer yes to the last question, you consider a move to RT. I don’t think his performance pre-2010 will really enter much into it.
True
He might not be bad going forward, but even if he has improved, how much could it have been? Do we want a guy that has improved a little bit to be the right tackle or a guy that is far and beyond any improvement that Brown will ever make?
by Tyler Nickel on Feb 22, 2012 1:00 PM MST up reply actions
I must have missed something
Who’s the guy far and beyond any improvement Brown will make we’re talking about? Obviously if we can get a stud LT or RT Levi should be shown the door as fast as he can clear out his locker, but Levi developed into a decent T over the past 8 weeks and finding one better isn’t a guarantee at all, either in FA or the draft.
I think your better point might be that Brown hasn’t seemed to show much more than Keith has at RT, so we should keep the guy who has the better chance of developing further at this point, and would likely be cheaper besides. That I can’t strongly disagree with.
by CardsFan1976 on Feb 22, 2012 1:49 PM MST up reply actions
I also put very little stock in his "past 8 weeks worth of improvement"
He has 4 1/2 years of mediocre play at best and then 8 weeks of decent play…..something smells fishy
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by Steamin' Beamin' on Feb 22, 2012 2:00 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
sounds like our defense
hopefully, if Brown is brought back, they can both keep up the trend into next season
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I agree
As I mentioned above, it’s very questionable whether the improvement was actually sustainable better play or just an impending FA push. Part of the risk with him right now.
by CardsFan1976 on Feb 22, 2012 2:19 PM MST up reply actions
Great....
I see we have a problem at the both tackle positions, with right guard position in need to be addressed at one point. it may take us 2-3 years to fix through the draft, and that assuming we get lucky with the picks (i.e they pan out).
Ouch…
by AZcardoverseas on Feb 23, 2012 12:03 AM MST reply actions
Basically, yeah
Offensive line is our most-neglected group. We really should have supplemented with a rookie or two the last couple years but at the same time I can’t complain too much about how those drafts have done for us.

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