My Top 5: 1st rd draft prospects, Series 4
Today Im gonna give you the scouting report for this guy:
Johnathan Martin, OT, Stanford
Perhaps no other offensive tackle prospect in this year's draft (or even the past several drafts) has had the spotlight on them more so than Jonathan Martin. As the protector of Andrew Luck's blindside, he was prone to scrutiny had he allowed any defenders to hurt the quarterback prodigy. Martin handled this pressure incredibly well both on and off the field and scouts love his football intelligence and willingness to work hard. Martin's physical attributes have been and will be the things that grab people's attention heading into the draft.
Since starting as a redshirt freshman Martin has consistently entered each season with added strength and improved technique. He is coachable and has a true desire to be the best. Overall, Martin should be one of the top offensive tackles taken in April's draft because of his natural physical and athletic attributes as well as his intangibles.
| PLAYER COMPARISON D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Jets |
PROJ. DRAFT POSITION Top 15 |
| INJURY HISTORY No significant injuries CAREER ACOLADES Finalist for Lombardi award in 2011 All American in 2010 |
KEY STATS Team allowed just 6 sacks in 2010 |
Background/Character
Martin has been a starter and protected Andrew Luck's blindside since his redshirt freshman season at Stanford. He has been extremely consistent throughout his career and has shown steady improvement each year. He is one of the leaders along a very talented offensive line and is well respected by his teammates and coaches. Coaches have talked about how much of a quality person he is in the locker room and the great attitude he brings to the team.
Martin brings a work ethic that seemed to be infectious across Stanford's offensive line and has the on field attitude you like in your tackle. He also brings a special toughness and has played well through some minor injuries. His teammates say he has a true desire to be the best at his position. As the blindside protector of the possible first overall draftpick, Martin did an exceptional job of handling the pressure and performing at a dominant level.
Athleticism
Martin is an excellent athlete for the offensive tackle position. He moves extremely well for his length and size and does a great job of mirroring defenders. He is long and understands how to use his length to sustain blocks and control defenders. He must become more consistent in his body control and coordination. While he displays very good coordination when redirecting he has a tendency to lose balance if asked to redirect when he's engaged in blitz situations. Martin shows the ability to bend in his hips and can sink into his stance. He is a quick twitch athlete who has the ability to engage defenders on every level and looks natural when running.
He does not show heavy feet like many maulers of Martin's type. His body type is ideal, with long arms and a strong core but he may need to add more bulk in his lower half to anchor on the next level. He has the frame to add another 10-15 pounds which should help him hold the edge against the Mario Williams' and Jared Allens of the NFL.
Blocking Power
Martin is particularly special as an inline run blocker. He explodes out of his stance and into the pads of defensive linemen sustaining good leverage that allows him to maximize his leg drive and push defenders backwards. He does not have a jarring initial punch but his upper body is strong enough to neutralize defenders at the point and turn their shoulders. Martin plays with a wide base and can provide necessary surge in the run game. He is not overly adept at flatbacking guys but when he is engaged on a player its usually game over for them, as they have difficulty shedding through Martin's grasp.
In pass protection, Martin flashes signs of dominance but this facet takes a back seat to his run blocking ability. While he shows ideal athleticism in pass protection, he can get caught playing too upright and stronger ends can expose his lack of a powerful base. Against USC's Nick Perry, Martin was too often caught by surprise by his speed/power combination and he showed that he could be pushed into the pocket. He displays naturally flexible hips so adjusting his leverage in pass pro is coachable.
Blocking Feet
Jonathan slides with ease and does not cross his feet, even when he gets beat. He can quickly redirect and shows an explosive first step. When he gets beat on the outside it is usually because he does not kick fast enough off the snap and the defender gets a step on him. He struggles to recover and ends up reaching off balance. Still, he shows the foot quickness and athleticism to recover if he is caught reaching and can redirect if needed. When Martin is engaged he can easily adjust his path and continue upfield to pick up second level blockers. He moves fluidly through traffic at the second level and has the ability to sink his weight and break down to pick up linebackers in the open field.
Anchoring in pass protection is not a glaring weakness but certainly one that can be exposed by elite defenders. Part of the problem is the lack of bulk in his base and the other part of the problem is that he tends to stop his feet when seriously challenged by bull rushers. He must learn to keep his base and chop his feet consistently against bigger DL.
Blocking Technique
Martin is a cerebral player who understands assignments and where pressure is coming from. Against faster more complex defenses he takes a bit longer to adjust but he shows the ability to learn from trends and his own mistakes. He understands positioning and consistently takes excellent angles to the defender. You really see the feel he has for the run game as he can sense how long to hold onto his initial block before retreating to the next level.
Although he can struggle with power rushers, he does a good job of using his length to keep them out of the pocket and limiting their palette of moves. He uses his hands well but he could be quicker and show more purpose with his placement. Overall, he has shown enough throughout his career to suggest that he can master his technique, especially with his capacity to learn and apply what he is coached on.
Summary
Perhaps no other offensive tackle prospect in this year's draft (or even the past several drafts) has had the spotlight on them more so than Jonathan Martin. As the protector of Andrew Luck's blindside, he was prone to scrutiny had he allowed any defenders to hurt the quarterback prodigy. Martin handled this pressure incredibly well both on and off the field and scouts love his football intelligence and willingness to work hard. Martin's physical attributes have been and will be the things that grab people's attention heading into the draft. He is a natural athlete who has grown well into his size and has very few limitations from an athleticism standpoint. He is not quite at the elite level of a Walter Jones or a Joe Thomas in terms of athletic ability but he has the long arms and physical play you want in your anchor.
The real impact he will have will be in the run game where he uses his explosive first step and strong upper body to move defenders and win the position battle every time. He drives his feet through the whistle and does a fine job of committing to angles that will surge defenders outside the gaps. There was some judgement going into the season that Martin lacked the mean streak on the field but he put that to rest early and often throughout the season as he consistently finished his blocks (and sometimes more). Martin's prototype size and athleticism for the position will be the most appealing part for NFL GM's and he should test well at the combine, but they should also be impressed by his maturity and leadership ability. Since starting as a redshirt freshman Martin has consistently entered each season with added strength and improved technique. He is coachable and has a true desire to be the best. Overall, Martin should be one of the top offensive tackles taken in April's draft because of his natural physical and athletic attributes as well as his intangibles.
http://optimumscouting.com/rankings/scouting-reports/nfl-draft-scouting-report-jonathan-martin-ot-stanford.html
Its no secret we need to improve our Offensive line, because frankly, they were a little offensive this year. While I personally dont believe Martin is an NFL LT (what do I know), I believe this guy can make Brandon Kieth a distant nightmare and someone us AZ fans can hopefully forget about (after many, many therapy sessions). I really believe he could be our starting RT for the next 10 years, and as long as we resign Brown at a discount, our Oline will be 50% better with Kieth not starting.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Revenge of the Birds' (ROTB) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of ROTB's editors.
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Not sold,
I’m crossing my fingers we do not end up with Martin. Martin has the best QB prospect in two or more decades playing with him, and the best OG prospect in a decade. I’m sure he may be serviceable, but I just can’t buy into drafting someone like him when we could easily trade down. We got major production out of our mid rounders this season, and have plenty of positions that need some depth.
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Agreed
Additionally, you don’t draft a RT at 13 unless you are drafting a LT to play RT because your team is so great you have no other worries. And when I look at Martin, I see Levi Brown all over again. A great RT who will fall short as a LT.
Take DeCastro at 13 or trade down to get an OLB and then draft a RT with the 2nd or 3rd pick.
Just a guy, because I was born that way.
So your advocating drafting a depth player or rotation player
Over a possible Franchise RT that can possibly be a franchise LT?
And you can’t expect every mid round player to come in and produce.
by cgcardzfan on Feb 6, 2012 9:02 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Key word,
“Possible”. I know you can’t expect every mid round player to produce, but the deeper you get at any position raises the level of play, so eventually they become the best.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Feb 6, 2012 10:07 PM MST up reply actions
And given Whiz's track record with mid round drafting
I have starting to look to our mid round guys to become difference makers
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Nope
I’m advocating we take a player we know fills a need and can play that position. At 13, there are too many other values on the board to roll the dice on a player that might turn out to be he next coming of Levi Brown. Trade back a few spots, get Upshaw, turn him lose within the D, get Adams in the 2nd to play RT.
Just a guy, because I was born that way.
No on Upshaw,
he won’t be anything better than average.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Feb 10, 2012 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
I wouldn't bank on Adams being available in the 2nd round
If somehow, we could trade back and snag both of Cincy’s first rounders, we might be able to get both Upshaw and Adams, but almost certainly not if we swap first and grab a 2nd rounder with a team
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There's no way Adams falls to the 2nd unless he pulls some jack ass move before or after the Combine.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
That is a terrible thought process.
The Lions did not give up on drafting a WR in the 1st round and look how that turned out for them? They went from Charles Rogers, Roy Williams, to Mike Williams and finally they get Megatron. He’s the closest thing to Fitz in the NFL right now.
I question your rationale and disagree about Martin. I project him as the #3 LT behind Reiff & Kallil. Adams, IMO, has the Levi Brown NFL performance written all over him. He’s big yeah, but speed rushers blow right by him. He doesn’t mirror the defender well, he gets his body out of position and tries to push defenders. None of that will work in the NFL.
Curious, why would Cinci want to trade with us; who do you think they want that bad.
Megatron
may actually be better than Fitz so long as he has a QB with a cannon attached to his shoulder
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Feb 12, 2012 7:44 AM MST up reply actions
I'd say either Richardson or DeCastro
RB and G are two pretty big needs for them, and DeCastro will almost certainly be taken by the Cowboys if he falls to them at 14
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What have you been watching on Adams because that's not accurate at all.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
I just wanted to add to the above thought... IMHO that's not accurate at all.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
Watched tape on him, not highlights
but televised game material. That is MO as well. I didn’t get to see the Shrine game or Sr Bowl, but I’m gonna watch next. Maybe he made big strides, but he is still no higher than the 4th rated OT. Where we sit, I’d take him though.
He played really well in the Senior Bowl from what I saw
Heard mixed opinions on his performances during the week or practices leading up to the game, but he looked good in the game when I was watching him.
I have a ton as I live right on the border of WV and OH and OSU is the team they put up on the telly. So ... yeah.... The Senior Bowl he was stone cold dominant!
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
Do you think he moved any higher than the 4th rated tackle?
by RamsFan1979 on Feb 14, 2012 10:03 AM MST up reply actions
IMO
He closed the gap between himself and the top three, but hasn’t surpassed them. The OT class is very top heavy, with the top 4 guys being great prospects, but after that it falls off. After Adams, a Tackle shouldn’t be drafted until the third round/late second IMO
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I think Glenn and Schwartz are worth second-round looks
Adams secured a first-round grade but I don’t think he jumped the top 3. Too many questions about his career overall, I think.
Yes I think he's the 2nd best and have said so for almost a month now.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
A franchise RT seems almost like a redundant term. Anyway, a top notch RT can be found in the later rounds, so why would the Cards throw away a top 15 pick on a "Franchise RT?"
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
This was in response to cgcardzfan post above. I have no idea why it dropped down here.
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
Im still pretty high on Martin
From the games i’ve watched, he played brilliantly. Sure he has the best QB and OG on his team too, but he still does his job and handles his assignments very well. I think he could very well be our LT of the future, not on the same level of Thomas or Long, but still a very good LT. We’ll have to wait and see
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Glad you mentioned it,
because anything short of Thomas or Long would be an absolute waste of the thirteenth pick.
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I don't know
I’d be happy with a Ferguson, Clady, or Peters. If we were picking top 3, absolutely that player would have to be an perennial All-Pro, but at 13, I’d be happy with a very good Tackle. Especially considering how bad our line has been
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win win really
i heard on certain site that martin is a monster at run blocking so i see him as a win whether he plays LT or RT preferably left but at right is still a win cause we can move levi to guard if he comes back and that would be half a solid line
Where did you hear that?
Martin is better suited for a speed rusher than a bull rusher, and someone suited for that usually isn’t a road grader, besides Levi Brown is very good at shoving his man downfield.
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Wait...
I haven’t been on ROTB in a while are these series just using the copy and paste function on another’s work and then saying the Cardinals could draft him?
Whatever on Martin. From the games I have watch I think Martin is the most polished of the three top tiered tackles. He has very good feet and uses his hands well. Overall in every phase he is good but not elite. I think Martin can be a very good OT but not a top 5 OT in the league. He doesn’t have the ceiling a Reiff or Kalil have and maybe a lower ceiling that Adams but he has a much higher floor then either of them. Wouldn’t mind the Cardinals getting Martin if he falls to them.
(Not to mention it lets DeCastro fall one more pick and increases the very slight possibility the Steelers can draft him)
Huge fan of the Steelers. (that includes "Steelers West")
"If I could start my life over again, I would be a professional football player and you better damn well believe a Pittsburgh Steeler!"- Jack Lambert
Martin's very good, but I like Adams over Martin
I can’t escape the feeling that Martin was protected by having Luck and DeCastro to overshadow his weaknesses. I think we’d have another RT in the making, which is still an upgrade but not the starting LT that we need.
Section 103, Row 19
Nothing you haven't dont on here,
in the past. Anyone else hear the pot screaming that the kettle is black.
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by INSOMAN1ATIC on Feb 14, 2012 4:45 PM MST up reply actions
Can you name one time when I did...
I pride myself on writing my own analysis of prospects and of situations. My post were
How the Arizona Cardinals can Beat the Pittsburgh Steelers, Defending the Whiz: How he has changed the mindset of the organization through the draft, Defending Kevin Kolb: It will take time, Defending Kevin Kolb Part 2: Comparisons To Other Traded QBs, Some Notes from the Rams Game and Defending Kevin Kolb: Cleaning Up the Comparisons.
Do you have any evidence I used another exact words in any of these articles. No? Then don’t accuse me of doing so!
Huge fan of the Steelers. (that includes "Steelers West")
"If I could start my life over again, I would be a professional football player and you better damn well believe a Pittsburgh Steeler!"- Jack Lambert
Nobody cares about the Steeler's around here,
keep it to Cardinal talk.
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One sentence out of eight wow your right I was so out of line...
Huge fan of the Steelers. (that includes "Steelers West")
"If I could start my life over again, I would be a professional football player and you better damn well believe a Pittsburgh Steeler!"- Jack Lambert
I get what you're saying but the only thing I agree on is that DeCastro is a damn good guard. Other than that .... Nada..... Steelers can suck it! Lol!
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender
+Dear God If A Cardinal Fan Doesn't Hate The Steelers Then Who The F Would? F the Stealers!
"The point is, by my standards, I won fair and square."
-Bender

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